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Scottie Pippen on LeBron/Jordan
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[quote]Scottie Pippen was sitting inside an AmericanAirlines Arena suite last week when he mentioned something he said 21 months ago that irked some Michael Jordan fans.
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Thanks for posting. Interesting stuff from Scottie. Only player I'd take over current James (assuming he keeps this up for the rest of the season and playoffs) is peak Jordan.
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Pipped took a little jab at Lebron's mentality.
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[QUOTE=TheMarkMadsen]Pipped took a little jab at Lebron's mentality.[/QUOTE]
Where?
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He's jumping the gun, he's still not there yet.
His game still isn't as refined on the offensive end (not close), and he's still behind on other aspects.
But as I said on another thread, once he figures things out he may have a legit shot. Until then, he's still steps behind him.
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[QUOTE=RoundMoundOfReb]Where?[/QUOTE]
Paragraphs 5 6 & 7
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LeBron was an 18 yrs.old NBA rookie while Jordan played 4 years in College. LBJ is going to be a top 6-8 player of all time if he wins his 4th MVP, and 2nd Finals MVP this season.
[quote]“Mentally, Michael was more mature, not to take anything away from LeBron. Michael had four years of college under Dean Smith.[/quote]
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[QUOTE=andgar923]He's jumping the gun, he's still not there yet.
His game still isn't as refined on the offensive end (not close), and he's still behind on other aspects.
But as I said on another thread, once he figures things out he may have a legit shot. Until then, he's still steps behind him.[/QUOTE]
I don't think he'll ever be quite as good as Jordan but we'll see he's just 28...
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[QUOTE=TheMarkMadsen]Pipped took a little jab at Lebron's mentality.[/QUOTE]
MJ > Bronzey
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[QUOTE=Lebron23]LeBron was an 18 yrs.old NBA rookie while Jordan played 4 years in College. LBJ is going to be a top 6-8 player of all time if he wins his 4th MVP, and 2nd Finals MVP this season.[/QUOTE]
On what? The Lebron kid list?
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[QUOTE=Deuce Bigalow]On what? The Lebron kid list?[/QUOTE]
NBA All time List.
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[QUOTE=Lebron23]NBA All time List.[/QUOTE]
By a Lebron kid
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[QUOTE=Deuce Bigalow]By a Lebron kid[/QUOTE]
Where do you have him right now and where would you put him if he wins mvp and fmvp on a run similar to last year? Just curious..
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I'm neither a LeBron nor Kobe guy, but isn't ranking either guy difficult at this point in time? Neither is retired, so their careers aren't set in stone. If you heavily weight prime/peak you could place Kobe, but LeBron's isn't finished yet (meaning to do so, you either have to underrate him by rating him to date, or potentially overrate him by projecting his career out).
If you're going with a single season comparison you could use any of the last few of LeBron's seasons, but to use this season you again run into the problem above.
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This really shouldn't be all that surprising to anyone.
LeBron is basically a very rich man's Pippen. Scottie sees a lot of himself in Bron, so naturally he's going to pump him up.
Same goes for Jordan's respect and choosing of Kobe over LeBron. He sees himself in Kobe, and even though Kobe's a poor man's Jordan, he has respect for him because of a similar competitive nature, drive, skill set ... and the fact Kobe clearly idolized Jordan, and asked him for guidance early on in the league.
Plus, Kobe ALWAYS has MJ's back. When asked after the game against the Heat the weak before All Star Break on the comparison of James / Wade to MJ / Scottie, and asked who Kobe thinks is better his response:
:kobe:
MJ and Scottie. They got 6 rings.
Same goes for MJ's logical reasoning for choosing Kobe all-time over LeBron. Much like Pippen, Bron is kind of a natural beta. Kobe, like Jordan a competitive alpha.
This could be none more apparent than in Bron's refusal to step up to the mano y mano challenge in the All Star Game when Kobe literally punked him in front of all his elite peers.
MJ would've gone at Kobe, and vice a versa. Hell they did it in 1998, when MJ was 35 and Kobe 19. They are both, as MJ said, cursed ... as competitors. Bron, he kind of has an at times Pippen-esque, whatever demeanor when challenged. And like when MJ used to challenge Pip mano y mano, Pippen would tuck his tail and cede dominance to MJ. It can be seen in Charity Games, and stories of them in practice.
Pippen reps Bron because they're similar. All around ball players, versatile team defenders (though not near as good man defenders as MJ or Kobe) ... they're both jack of all trades, master of none.
Kobe and Jordan, all around ball players who at the end of the day can score at an elite level. For as great of all around players as Bron and Pippen are (Bron being better) I still don't think they're the greatest scorers in the half court.
That's why I'd even take Wade (another poor man's Jordan) as scorers over LeBron. Pip's statements shouldn't be all that surprising.
Pip used to hate on Kobe to on the sly, probably because how he mirror's Jordan and deep inside Pip might resent Jordan's fame and recognition over him. Kobe also used to get the better of Pippen, too.
At the end of the day, I'm still taking MJ > LeBron, Pippen, Kobe, or Wade.
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[QUOTE=RoundMoundOfReb]Where do you have him right now and where would you put him if he wins mvp and fmvp on a run similar to last year? Just curious..[/QUOTE]
Right now 14th.
If he wins again, 11th behind Hakeem.
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[QUOTE=Lebron23]LeBron was an 18 yrs.old NBA rookie while Jordan played 4 years in College.[/QUOTE]
Wrong.
Jordan only played 3 years of college.
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[QUOTE=Deuce Bigalow]Right now 14th.
If he wins again, 11th behind Hakeem.[/QUOTE]
LMAO.
4x MVP, and 2x Finals MVP > 1x MVP, and 2x Finals MVP. Stop acting like Kobe is a dominant Finals performer.
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[QUOTE=RoundMoundOfReb]I don't think he'll ever be quite as good as Jordan but we'll see he's just 28...[/QUOTE]
I have to be honest, i'm still not convinced he's better than Barkley.
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[QUOTE=Poetry]I have to be honest, i'm still not convinced he's better than Barkley.[/QUOTE]
I love chuck but Lebron is an elite defender, Barkley never was.
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[QUOTE=Poetry]I have to be honest, i'm still not convinced he's better than Barkley.[/QUOTE]
Chuck gets slept on in these discussions because he doesn't have a ring. He was absolutely better at his peak / prime than Pippen. He had a unique game and skill set. The height of a SG / SF but with the physicality and dominant post game of a power player. Could run the floor ... Could dribble pretty well ... Could hit the three ball. Hell in his prime he could jump too. He was absolutely a superior rebounder to Bron but I think Brons defense puts him over Barkley
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[QUOTE=Lebron23]LMAO.
4x MVP, and 2x Finals MVP > 1x MVP, and 2x Finals MVP. Stop acting like Kobe is a dominant Finals performer.[/QUOTE]
U forgetting 2011 finals:lol that weighs in here. All time greatest choke.
Loser couldn't post up barea or kidd:roll:
I agree with 14 after last years run, and 10/11 if he can repeat it..
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[QUOTE=Lebron23]LMAO.
4x MVP, and 2x Finals MVP > 1x MVP, and 2x Finals MVP. Stop acting like Kobe is a dominant Finals performer.[/QUOTE]
this phillipino kid MAD :roll: :roll:
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As tight as Scottie is with Jordan....it would only be natural for him to be jealous of MJ, deep down inside...it's human nature.
And let's not forget LBJ is present, Jordan is the past. Scottie has lived a good life...he's paying dues and reppin today's league with these comments.
Don't be so foolish.
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And LBJ be hooking up Scottie with some young hoez, so he's reppin his boy.
I wouldn't be shocked to hear MJ was a dick to Pippen as well, back then and even today...no one really knows where the two stand deep down inside soo...
And I can only imagine reppin today's league is gooood for someone who is trying to get his foot back in the door, whether it's coaching or broadcasting.
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[QUOTE=No_Look604]As tight as Scottie is with Jordan....it would only be natural for him to be jealous of MJ, deep down inside...it's human nature.
And let's not forget LBJ is present, Jordan is the past. Scottie has lived a good life...he's paying dues and reppin today's league with these comments.
Don't be so foolish.[/QUOTE]
HOnestly, I see friends and family members dig at each other all the time, and I do it as well. I think we all do to some extent, rooting for a team you know your brother hates just to stick it to him. My bro knows I like CP3, and he loves to make smart ass comments to get under my skin. Some of you can't wait to make fun of your co-worker's loss specially when your team beats them.
Like you mentioned, I think it's natural. Specially when they're competitive as they are.
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[QUOTE=No_Look604]As tight as Scottie is with Jordan....it would only be natural for him to be jealous of MJ, deep down inside...it's human nature.
And let's not forget LBJ is present, Jordan is the past. Scottie has lived a good life...he's paying dues and reppin today's league with these comments.
Don't be so foolish.[/QUOTE]
No hes telling the truth.
Lebron is a better player than micheal. But does not have that "ill kill everyone to get ot the top" mentallity.
MJ was an arrogant asshole and lebron is a like a humble good dude. Thats the "will to win" everyone talks about. MJ was sniffing his own asshole the entire time. (not saying he shouldnt just stating the facts.)
When the games come on the line lebron has delivered just as many times as jordan, if not more.
He plays WAY more defense than jordan. Lebron is in a defensive category all alone. There is not a single player in the league who exists in this category. He can D 1-5 just like scottie said. MJ could not do that.
Fact is all the argument is down to now is rings. But thats a dumb argument because lebron still has plenty of time to get more rings. And im sure he will this year and next year at least.
And im still with Jeff Van Gundy. They can definately break the single season win record of hte bulls if they really want to try for that. But idk if they would. But if lebron said to himself and the team "hey lets break their record." I think they might.
But of course these days everyone is so hollywood so idk if they could maintain that sorta focus. Thats the difference, Jordan would force everyone to have that focus. But that just isnt lebrons personality. Does it mean hes not as good a basketball player? no
IDK this ****ing argument is so old and dumb. Lebron is the best basketball player walking on planet earth right now. And thats all there is to it.
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simply put, LBJ is Pippen on roids.
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It's true that LeBron is the most complete player of all time, but does that necessarily mean the best of all time? Perhaps, perhaps not.
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Pippen smoking that stuff lol. You know that part of him must be loving that he gets to say something like this now that MJ isn't playing, because neither he nor anyone else would have dared to question MJ's dominance in his Bulls days. I especially like the part where he says "that's how I felt playing with Michael." Read between the lines and you'll see that Pippen is likely relishing the chance to say that someone is or could be better than Jordan. But I'll tell you one thing: if 26-30 year old Jordan was playing today, Pippen and everyone else would keep their mouths shut about a comparison.
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Lebron can't guard anyone in the NBA... That is crazy... :rant
He may wind up being the best and that is great and all but there is no way he can guard true pf's or centers
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Lebron can guard positions 1-5 either depending on the individual, or the situation. Can he guard someone like Westbrook or Rose during the last 2 minutes of the game? Sure, we've seen it in the 2011 playoffs. Over the course of 48 minutes? Not very likely. Could he guard Dwight or Bynum for a possession or two? Sure. Over the course of 48 minutes? No. A less talented center with minimal offensive ability? Sure. Someone like a Raymond Felton? Absolutely.
This myth that Lebron can guard anyone in the NBA, needs to really be put in context. Hell, youtube Pippen defending Barkley, Malone or Ewing in the post and having success on a play or two. Would you use Pippen to guard them over the course of the game? Of course not.
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"Lebron will be better than jordan"
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"Who said that?"
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[QUOTE=coin24]U forgetting 2011 finals:lol that weighs in here. All time greatest choke.
Loser couldn't post up barea or kidd:roll:
I agree with 14 after last years run, and 10/11 if he can repeat it..[/QUOTE]
Kobe did lose in the finals twice though
Wow, kidd locking down Lebron, I just remembered that. That was an embarrassment, LOL. Getting locked down by a 38 year old like 6 inches shorter than you (Kidd aint 6'4", I've seen him in real life)
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[QUOTE=Fatstogey]No hes telling the truth.
Lebron is a better player than micheal. But does not have that "ill kill everyone to get ot the top" mentallity.
MJ was an arrogant asshole and lebron is a like a humble good dude. Thats the "will to win" everyone talks about. MJ was sniffing his own asshole the entire time. (not saying he shouldnt just stating the facts.)
[B]When the games come on the line lebron has delivered just as many times as jordan, if not more.
He plays WAY more defense than jordan. [/B] Lebron is in a defensive category all alone. There is not a single player in the league who exists in this category. He can D 1-5 just like scottie said. MJ could not do that.
Fact is all the argument is down to now is rings. But thats a dumb argument because lebron still has plenty of time to get more rings. And im sure he will this year and next year at least.
And im still with Jeff Van Gundy. They can definately break the single season win record of hte bulls if they really want to try for that. But idk if they would. But if lebron said to himself and the team "hey lets break their record." I think they might.
But of course these days everyone is so hollywood so idk if they could maintain that sorta focus. Thats the difference, Jordan would force everyone to have that focus. But that just isnt lebrons personality. Does it mean hes not as good a basketball player? no
IDK this ****ing argument is so old and dumb. Lebron is the best basketball player walking on planet earth right now. And thats all there is to it.[/QUOTE]
Wow there is so much wrong with this post, especially the bolded :oldlol:
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[QUOTE=Dragonyeuw]Lebron can guard positions 1-5 either depending on the individual, or the situation. Can he guard someone like Westbrook or Rose during the last 2 minutes of the game? Sure, we've seen it in the 2011 playoffs. Over the course of 48 minutes? Not very likely. Could he guard Dwight or Bynum for a possession or two? Sure. Over the course of 48 minutes? No. A less talented center with minimal offensive ability? Sure. Someone like a Raymond Felton? Absolutely.
This myth that Lebron can guard anyone in the NBA, needs to really be put in context. Hell, youtube Pippen defending Barkley, Malone or Ewing in the post and having success on a play or two. Would you use Pippen to guard them over the course of the game? Of course not.[/QUOTE]
So true. I'm not even sure Lebron has ever guarded someone as big as Vlade Divac which Jordan did do for a stretch in the 91 Finals.
And anyway, Lebron isn't the first player I've heard people say can guard 5 positions. I remember they were saying this same thing about Shawn Marion back when he was with the Suns, saying things like he can guard everyone from Tony Parker to Shaquille O'Neal. And I'm pretty sure they were saying the same thing about players like Dennis Rodman and Scottie Pippen back in the day.
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Lebron is an amazing player probably the most physically gifted I ever seen since I have been watching bball since the 80,s but Jordan was so darn competitive besides being ultra talented as well. Lebron losing 11 finals hurts his goat chances but he can still be in conversation with a few more chips and Mvps. Lebrons biggest drawback and flaw has always been mental. If he had Jordan's mentality no doubt he would be Goat. Reason he doesn't he has always been loved and looked up to as a basketball prodigy since he was in HS and is afraid of failure or disappointing people. I love when he plays with a nasty streak/edge like in Playoff gm against Boston last season when he was just locked in from the start. That Lebron is just fun to watch not the mentally weak passive 2011 finals version.
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[QUOTE=Kingwillball]Lebron is an amazing player probably the most physically gifted I ever seen since I have been watching bball since the 80,s but Jordan was so darn competitive besides being ultra talented as well. Lebron losing 11 finals hurts his goat chances but he can still be in conversation with a few more chips and Mvps. Lebrons biggest drawback and flaw has always been mental. If he had Jordan's mentality no doubt he would be Goat. Reason he doesn't he has always been loved and looked up to as a basketball prodigy since he was in HS and is afraid of failure or disappointing people. I love when he plays with a nasty streak/edge like in Playoff gm against Boston last season when he was just locked in from the start. That Lebron is just fun to watch not the mentally weak passive 2011 finals version.[/QUOTE]
:oldlol:
There is no way in hell you were watching ball in the 80's. You might have watched a few tapes recently or something, but I just don't believe you're that old. :oldlol:
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[QUOTE=guy]And I'm pretty sure they were saying the same thing about players like Dennis Rodman and Scottie Pippen back in the day.[/QUOTE]
Exactly. I don't recall Rodman ever guarding a point guard, but he's guarded the likes of Michael Jordan, Larry Bird, Karl Malone, Shaq across the span of his career. And there are very few players of that caliber playing today, especially the center spot. Lebron has the physical size to match up with some of today's centers and PFs because there aren't many true low-post scoring threats now. Put Lebron in the 90's, is he guarding Hakeem, Admiral, Shaq, Ewing successfully? There are NO centers of that pedigree anymore, including a healthy Howard and Bynum who at least would be second-tier star centers after the ones I mentioned above.