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Adjustments Magic have to make going into game 3 vs Celtics
Honestly, I think theres about a 99% chance this series is over. So much for an entertaining conference final. But just for sh1ts and giggles, lets see what types of adjustments or changes you would do if SVG got fired or just quit out of frustration and you now had to coach the Magic back from a 0-2 hole.
Personally, I'd use the personnel differently. I never liked SVG's use of Rashard Lewis at the 4. He's a horrible rebounder and low post defender at the PF spot. And oh btw, he's been making Mo Williams look good this series. He can't really defend KG, can't make a three, and just looks completely lost on offense.
I'd take him to the bench. switch in Gortat at the 4. Having lewis at the 4 puts too much pressure on Dhow to serve as both a C and PF since he really doesn't get help down low.
Or maybe, I'd try and experiment with Howard, Gortat, VC, Rashard, Nelson.
Because I think playing against a less physical Ray Allen may just do him wonders. I'd bench Matt Barnes too since his back is definitely affecting him.
Problem is Boston has tons of counters because their personell is just better.
The rondo-KG pick and roll is seriously deadly against Dwight howard if boston keeps using it. Howard can't cover rondo and kg both and nelson is easily picked off and rendered useless.
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Score more points than us.
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stop giving the ball to Nelson.. or lessen it..
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Tell Vince to take his skirt off.....
Honestly When it comes to Finals its coaching. Doc has been a better coach throughout his years. StanVG has a lot of talent on that team and really doesnt know how to utilize it.
Kenny Smith said it best. we are a leaky faucet. We have 2 guys that can consistently carry the game.
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wait is Brandon Bass on the magic roster or on dal? If he is, I'd use him more too. Guy is underrated. Plus his jumper can spread out the low post for dhow to work.
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Folks, this series is over.
I don't know if it will be a sweep. But there is no way the Magic can win 4 of 5 against these Celtics.
Boston won tonight with Ray Allen only scoring 4 points on 1-6 FG shooting.
Think about it.
The Magic and Celtics have played two games. Both in Orlando. The Celtics have had double digit leads in the second half of both games. [B][U]In fact I could be wrong but I don't think the Magic have led by more than 2 points at any point of the first two games.[/U][/B] That says a lot!
This series really has not been close.
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Fire SVG - the best adjustment they can make. Do it now.
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Start Williams. Seriously. True PG who will pass first. This isn't the Jason Williams of old who chucked up ridiculous three's. He takes shots when no one else is open. Nelson is cold.
No more Shard at the 4 spot.
More Gortat and Howard in at the same time.
Less minutes for Carter if he's missing shots early. More minutes for Redick.
What do they have to lose? Some of these switch outs actually worked in their favor quite a bit tonight.
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[QUOTE=AMISTILLILL]Start Williams. Seriously. True PG who will pass first. This isn't the Jason Williams of old who chucked up ridiculous three's. He takes shots when no one else is open. Nelson is cold.
No more Shard at the 4 spot.
More Gortat and Howard in at the same time.
Less minutes for Carter if he's missing shots early. More minutes for Redick.
What do they have to lose? Some of these switch outs actually worked in their favor quite a bit tonight.[/QUOTE]
yea they need a lineup makeover. and you know what really pisses me off about VC? More than missing the 2 FTs? The fact that he can get to the rim anytime he wants and instead of going up strong, he fades away! WTF? This is called playing to your opponents. stop being such a ***** and take it to the hole like a man. You'd never see lebron fade away 2 ft from the basket after a drive. SVG needs to talk to this kid.
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Where the hell is Bass? is he injured or something?
Dwight is the only one one who play in the inside for the Magic, there's no one there to take any offensive rebounds at least. The dude badly need a help inside.
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Make their 3's and hope Lewis wakes up
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[QUOTE=t-rex]Folks, this series is over.
I don't know if it will be a sweep. But there is no way the Magic can win 4 of 5 against these Celtics.
Boston won tonight with Ray Allen only scoring 4 points on 1-6 FG shooting.
Think about it.
The Magic and Celtics have played two games. Both in Orlando. The Celtics have had double digit leads in the second half of both games. [B][U]In fact I could be wrong but I don't think the Magic have led by more than 2 points at any point of the first two games.[/U][/B] That says a lot!
This series really has not been close.[/QUOTE]
Only way this will be a series if Orlando has more of one player having a great performance during a game.
Game 1: Carter and Nelson had a good but not great. Dwight was awful.
Game 2: Dwight was great. Nelson, Carter, Lewis...all sucked.
Gortat and Reddick have been a sparkplug off the bench bbut you can't win with two role players.
Boston had Pierce, Ray and Sheed offensively, and defensively had KG and KP for Game 1. Game 2 had Pierce and Rondo on the offense with some extra scoring from Perkins and Davis too. Garnett has been pretty bad offensively both games but still great on the D.
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Give JJ Reddick more minutes to defend Ray Allen, but don't let him have the ball at the end of the game.
Give Marcin Gortat more minutes because he can rebound very well and can help bolster a run.
Allow Brandon Bass to play. If he's rebounding and hustling, then keep him in.
This may or may not work, but I would try something like this:
Nelson
Reddick
Barnes
Bass/Gortat
Bass/Howard
Williams
Carter
Pietrus
Bass/Gortat
Bass/Howard
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hit shots.They are nothing more than a bunch of stand still shooters who make a living off teams doubling Dwight and getting open shots.Now that Dwight is getting shut down in 1 on 1 situations,no more open 3s and they are being exposed as guys who cant get their own shots with the exception of VC.Nothing is going to change
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[QUOTE=Killbot]Give JJ Reddick more minutes to defend Ray Allen, but don't let him have the ball at the end of the game.
Give Marcin Gortat more minutes because he can rebound very well and can help bolster a run.
Allow Brandon Bass to play. If he's rebounding and hustling, then keep him in.
This may or may not work, but I would try something like this:
Nelson
Reddick
Barnes
Bass/Gortat
Bass/Howard
Williams
Carter
Pietrus
Bass/Gortat
Bass/Howard[/QUOTE]
yea I mean at this point, reddick has proven he can and should get minutes. But the key is still the bigs. Rashard lewis should be playing 0 minutes at PF. Bass and Gortat own that spot. If SVG starts Lewis at the 4 next game, I might as well turn the game off bc we all know the result.
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[QUOTE=bhallic24]yea I mean at this point, reddick has proven he can and should get minutes. But the key is still the bigs. Rashard lewis should be playing 0 minutes at PF. Bass and Gortat own that spot. If SVG starts Lewis at the 4 next game, I might as well turn the game off bc we all know the result.[/QUOTE]
I'd give Rashard maybe at most 5 minutes and see how well he does, but I won't start him. I would start Bass, and see how Rashard reacts. If that makes him work harder, then I will be able to see that through his game.
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Stop taking too many 3s when you aren't so hot on it. If you live by the 3s...you die by it also...you can't last long with that in a 7 game series. Drive more...
Oh, tell superman to fly in and dunk those ball...don't let the GREEN Kryptonites get him.
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i say get nelson out of the game. hes a horrible point guard. hes not pass first, which is what the magic need. case in point, end of the game, carter wide open to his right, lewis with a look at the basket to the left, and instead he shoots it. ive seen him fail to throw passes out of the pick and role to open shooters, or just fail to give howard the ball when he needs it. run this lineup: howard, bass/gortat, lewis at 3, VC, williams. rotate barnes, nelson (on 6th man duties), and reddick into that lineup. as much as i love pietrus, hes played like crap.
the one problem with bass though, is that he tends to be a black hole with the ball. he shoots it 95% of the time. if hes doing that bench him, and get gortat in there.
and god damnit howard needs to GO STRAIGHT UP WITH THE BALL. he's always bringing it down to gather and go up strong to dunk, but that gives his defenders a chance to 1) recover, 2) swipe at the ball, 3) foul him. id argue he had a high scoring game more because he was making his free throws then actual fg attempts.
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It's funny how people here praise Jameer Nelson last week before the series start that he's playing healthy and how he will be the problem for the Celtics. Now, it seems like there's a change of tune and now people are hating on him for being a horrible PG :roll:
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[QUOTE=dbugz]It's funny how people here praise Jameer Nelson last week before the series start that he's playing healthy and how he will be the problem for the Celtics. Now, it seems like there's a change of tune and now people are hating on him for being a horrible PG :roll:[/QUOTE]
Who was the idiot who said Jameer Nelson would cancel out with Rondo in the series? :oldlol:
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Start Gortat at PF, he was huge off the bench, and could play alongside Dwight nicely.
Give more time for Reddick, outside one dumbheaded play in the last game, he was their best player after Howard. Deadly shooter, hustle guy (one possession he got like 3(!) offensive rebounds).
Start Lewis at SF off the bench, at least he could shoot over Pierce, Lewis has no chance vs Garnett.
[B]Move the ball more[/B], look at what Celtics are doing - few extra passes leads to wide open looks, while Magic more often than not had to hit difficult shots. They actually do this from time to time, but they need [I]always [/I]play like this, not several times per game only.
Just these changes would make Magic much more competitive, and maybe even tip the scales to their side, lets see how SVG adjusts.
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If Vince made both his free throws and jj called a timeout correctly, the magic would undoubtably win that game... but w/e time for game 3.
But for game 3 these are the things that need to happen.
1. don't give dwight the ball in the post...everyone has said it..the magic WILL not win like that
2.rashard needs to score or sit.
3.jameer needs to be an actual pg and make some plays.
If the magic do that they give themselves another chance to win..i mean they have been playing poorly and had 2 great chances to win these last two games...celtics just got a little bit lucky
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[QUOTE=It's A VC3!!!]If Vince made both his free throws and jj called a timeout correctly, the magic would undoubtably win that game... but w/e time for game 3.
But for game 3 these are the things that need to happen.
1. don't give dwight the ball in the post...everyone has said it..the magic WILL not win like that
2.rashard needs to score or sit.
3.jameer needs to be an actual pg and make some plays.
If the magic do that they give themselves another chance to win..i mean they have been playing poorly and had 2 great chances to win these last two games...celtics just got a little bit lucky[/QUOTE]
I couldnt agree more...
I would probably start Gortat and Williams,,, bring nelson and rashard off the bench
Rashard has been fkn terrible, has he forgotten how to shoot???
If they're not doubling dwight definitely stop feeding him in the post, and maybe give BRANDON BASS some minutes!!!!! The guy is a hustler, is money from 12 to 15 ft and loves to dunk:lol :lol
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I'm not too keen on figuring out how to beat the team I'm supporting this postseason...but I'll go. This will be longing.
People really want to hop on Rashard Lewis' lack of offense right now, but ya'll need to remember that he's being defended by a healthy, hungry, championship-obsessed Kevin Garnett. That's not sucky Antawn Jamison defending him in the post anymore. The only way this guy is going to get the open 3's he needs to put the big points up against this Celtics team is on offensive rebounds and rare KG defensive lapses. Otherwise, the best thing he can contribute is to continue to limit KG's offense.
Vince. He choked last night...every NBA player with a big name has to suffer through this at some point, unfortunately. I doubt he's going to do that again this series. However, the pouting...the towel throwing...the pointing and shaking his head...this guy is a playoff veteran who should be bringing leadership and poise to his teammates and he's acting like a whiny kid right now. That's going to hurt you more over the next two games if he can't square it away. Man up, Vince.
Howard...I said on this board that the Magic were going to do everything but move the f*cking moon to win this game. This was the only guy who seemed to adjust his game to try and do just that. What an offensive explosion for him...he still wasn't getting his favorite spots, but he was putting big shots in for them. Also...he took a f*cking beating last night with the fouls....but he got up there and made a good percentage of his free throws. And he's still the defensive anchor out there. Unfortunately, he might have to score 30 a night from this point forward if the Celtics D keeps playing like this.
Nelson seems lost when he gets to the middle and doesn't have a guy wide open waiting to shoot a three.
You guys need more Jason Williams, Marcin Gortat and JJ Redick...if the starters aren't getting it done. Yeah Redick bone-headed in a huge moment last night...it happens. Forgive the guy because he's currently your best defensive option to keep Ray Allen as non-existent as he's been so far this series. You don't want Ray waking up if you're an Orlando fan...you really don't.
Being down 2-0 going on the road is a hard place to be, but the Magic have won 4 games on the road already these playoffs. I hope to Christ my Celtics keep the intensity up because there's no other way to beat this team on Saturday. They're not going to quit on their season, so neither should we.
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There is no adjustments they can make. They are f[B]u[/B]cked
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[QUOTE=bballer]There is no adjustments they can make. They are f[B]u[/B]cked[/QUOTE]
Of coarse the Magic can make adjustments...Have they been blown out this series..no they have been beaten by four points and three points, and if your nit-picky like me you can argue that the Magic should be 2-0.
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Start preparing for the off season
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Well there's nothing you can do after losing two home games. Simply wait and see if the Celtics make mistakes as the Rockets did in 2005, which I doubt will ever happen.
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Play Redick, bench Barnes, do not let Rashard matchup with KG.
Nelson / Redick / VC / Gortat / Howard
with JWill, Pietrus, Lewis rotating the 3 main bench spots.
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[QUOTE=AMISTILLILL]Start Williams. Seriously. True PG who will pass first. This isn't the Jason Williams of old who chucked up ridiculous three's. He takes shots when no one else is open. Nelson is cold.
No more Shard at the 4 spot.
More Gortat and Howard in at the same time.
Less minutes for Carter if he's missing shots early. More minutes for Redick.
What do they have to lose? Some of these switch outs actually worked in their favor quite a bit tonight.[/QUOTE]
agreed...they need to shake it up if want a chance at grabbing a win in boston.
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Orlando have no chance.
This is going to be 4-0.
Nelson is back to making bad decisions.
Howard can't carry them.
Lewis isn't turning up.
They have no chance.
Game 1 was pathetic. Game 2 wasn't much better.
Boston can just take Orlando apart, Rondo can get anywhere he wants on the court, anytime he wants. I'm so sick of seeing Orlando players fail to step in front of a guy and take a charge, or at least try to stop the ball, it's pathetic.
They deserve to lose 4-0.
At one point in the game Rondo beats Gortat, Nelson and ( I think ) Lewis or Barnes to a rebound. That just shouldn't happen. This is the damn playoffs! Start playing like you are in the playoffs!
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I don't get why youre talking down on rashard lewis. He needs to be in the starting line up. They just need to get him going early on offense, if he's not scoring around 20 a game, they're not going to win.
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This series have been a massacre.Even though the scores was close at the end,you never had a feeling the Magic were in or there was no doubt at the end of the games who were the better team.Dominated in every way.The Celtics match up extremely well with the Magic.
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Normally Howard is being double teamed so someone gets open to shoot, but not that isnt happening and Howard being fouled they need to force shots. I dont see how Magic can take this series.
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[QUOTE=swstein]Orlando have no chance.
This is going to be 4-0.
Nelson is back to making bad decisions.
Howard can't carry them.
Lewis isn't turning up.
They have no chance.
Game 1 was pathetic. Game 2 wasn't much better.
Boston can just take Orlando apart, Rondo can get anywhere he wants on the court, anytime he wants. I'm so sick of seeing Orlando players fail to step in front of a guy and take a charge, or at least try to stop the ball, it's pathetic.
They deserve to lose 4-0.
[B]At one point in the game Rondo beats Gortat, Nelson and ( I think ) Lewis or Barnes to a rebound. That just shouldn't happen. This is the damn playoffs! Start playing like you are in the playoffs![/B][/QUOTE]
You now know why dwight wins the DPOY, he's accountable for almost 90% of their rebounds, everybody else stands around and watches him. They are not used to rebounding since they know he'll get them all. On the other hand, everybody on the celtics helps in rebounding.. team defense bro..
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a good start would be your highest paid player(rashard lewis) not scoring 5.5 ppg on 20% shooting.
next would be to play ryan anderson or bass atleast a bit, what do you have to loose- rashards output?
rashard is the reason theyve done so badly not vince.
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No adjustements. Juts give up
Can't believe conference finals were so boring this year.
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[QUOTE=Andrei89]No adjustements. Juts give up
Can't believe conference finals were so boring this year.[/QUOTE]
I have to agree with you.
If Magic played good basketbal, and then lost game one by 4 and game two by 3, it would have been different. But even with Ray Allen scoring 4 points, 1-6 FG's (couldnt hit a three also), boston still had control of the whole game.
The only way for Magic to win this is if SVG Changes his line up and I dont see that happening.
But you never know whats going to happen, so lets not make statements Lakers VS Boston yet. Though everyone thinks it, even the players on the Magic team. When your coach says their defense is just to strong and we cant beat them (he said that in Game 2, I think right after halftime) and walks away with a 'sigh' I dont see SVG motivating them for Game 3.
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Williams for Nelson, when he was in the game he had that fire in his eyes, like he was the only one that wanted to win. That can also help Magic. Start with Lewis, if he plays the same he did last game get him out of the game. Lewis had the most play time and shoot very bad. How do you let Lewis play that many minutes when he shoots so bad?