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Clippersfan86 05-08-2012 07:20 PM

Michael Jordan flopping
 
Before people challenged me to find footage of Michael Jordan flopping. Said he has never flopped. Despite it being much harder to find due to it not being during this Youtube age... I found a really bad flop by the GOAT.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1tjP...youtu.be&t=27s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1tjP...youtu.be&t=46s

Lebron23 05-08-2012 07:24 PM

Re: Michael Jordan flopping
 
This was a better acting than his performance in Space Jam.

SuperPippen 05-08-2012 07:24 PM

Re: Michael Jordan flopping
 
Good job. And this somehow offsets the Clippers' incredibly excessive flopping.


You hear that, everyone? Because Clippersfan found these examples of MJ flopping, you can NO LONGER call any Clipper a flopper.

Foster5k 05-08-2012 07:24 PM

Re: Michael Jordan flopping
 
:biggums:

Trying to compare Jordan to Flop Griffin.

Jordan was a proven winner and game changer. He won championships, mvps, etc. Flop Griffin isn't in the same league.

bleedinpurpleTwo 05-08-2012 07:24 PM

Re: Michael Jordan flopping
 
both vids are of the same flop.

Clippersfan86 05-08-2012 07:26 PM

Re: Michael Jordan flopping
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SuperPippen
Good job. And this somehow offsets the Clippers' incredibly excessive flopping.


You hear that, everyone? Because Clippersfan found these examples of MJ flopping, you can NO LONGER call any Clipper a flopper.


Not exactly. Jordan didn't flop often. All this shows is that flopping has existed for decades and due to the Youtube age... people are now blowing it out of proportion. Dennis Rodman was arguably the greatest flopper in NBA history (worse than Griffin or at least equal)... yet guess how many flopping clips you find on Youtube? ZERO. Unless you dig up games and happen to spot one.

I don't remember people hating Dennis Rodman for his crazy flops. Nor did they call him soft because of it. Much like Griffin... even with flopping Rodman was tough as nails. One of my favorite players of all time.

jstern 05-08-2012 07:27 PM

Re: Michael Jordan flopping
 
I wouldn't call that flopping. He's trying to take the charge and avoiding getting hit on the face. Flopping is at an all time high this age that even legitimate events people assuming is flopping. Reflex would make you take your head to avoid a hit, but now unless you take that hit to the face, it's going to look like flopping.

Copperhead 05-08-2012 07:27 PM

Re: Michael Jordan flopping
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SuperPippen
Good job. And this somehow offsets the Clippers' incredibly excessive flopping.


You hear that, everyone? Because Clippersfan found these examples of MJ flopping, you can NO LONGER call any Clipper a flopper.


I didn't see him say that in his post. Stop jumping to conclusions. He said people challenged him to find footage of Jordan flopping and he did. You guys are something else. :oldlol:

Copperhead 05-08-2012 07:28 PM

Re: Michael Jordan flopping
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jstern
I wouldn't call that flopping. He's trying to take the charge and avoiding getting hit on the face.



Nah, he didn't have to jump back like that if he were really trying to take a charge. Come on now.

ILLsmak 05-08-2012 07:29 PM

Re: Michael Jordan flopping
 
Of all of the flops, the "I'm in position and would get run over if I didn't fall back" flop bothers me the least.

In fact, I would say that is an accepted basketball move by now. People throwing themselves on the ground while they have the ball, or throwing themselves on the ground while someone is posting them up is weak though.

-Smak

kurple 05-08-2012 07:29 PM

Re: Michael Jordan flopping
 
isnt both the same flop?

more like drawing a foul/charge

Clippersfan86 05-08-2012 07:30 PM

Re: Michael Jordan flopping
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jstern
I wouldn't call that flopping. He's trying to take the charge and avoiding getting hit on the face. Flopping is at an all time high this age that even legitimate events people assuming is flopping. Reflex would make you take your head to avoid a hit, but now unless you take that hit to the face, it's going to look like flopping.


:roll: yet CP3 snaps his head back when he sees a shoulder coming towards him and that's a "flop" video spreading like wildfire across the internet. GTFO dude.

Kews1 05-08-2012 07:30 PM

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Copperhead 05-08-2012 07:30 PM

Re: Michael Jordan flopping
 
ISH needs better quality posters. Too much quantity and not enough quality. People jumping to conclusions and putting words in peoples mouths. :facepalm

Clippersfan86 05-08-2012 07:30 PM

Re: Michael Jordan flopping
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kurple
isnt both the same flop?

more like drawing a foul


Which is different than what Griffin does how? 90 percent of Griffin's flop videos have legitimate contact.. and are of him drawing fouls. Only a handful of them are with no contact.

jstern 05-08-2012 07:31 PM

Re: Michael Jordan flopping
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Copperhead
Nah, he didn't have to jump back like that if he were really trying to take a charge. Come on now.


His momentum was taking him back. Now tell me, how would he avoid getting hit on the face without going back like that?

DuMa 05-08-2012 07:33 PM

Re: Michael Jordan flopping
 
that was a half flop. still a flop though.

bwink23 05-08-2012 07:35 PM

Re: Michael Jordan flopping
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Clippersfan86
Before people challenged me to find footage of Michael Jordan flopping. Said he has never flopped. Despite it being much harder to find due to it not being during this Youtube age... I found a really bad flop by the GOAT.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1tjP...youtu.be&t=27s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1tjP...youtu.be&t=46s



WRONG.....more like cuz he didn't flop, PERIOD>

jstern 05-08-2012 07:35 PM

Re: Michael Jordan flopping
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Clippersfan86
:roll: yet CP3 snaps his head back when he sees a shoulder coming towards him and that's a "flop" video spreading like wildfire across the internet. GTFO dude.

You are a dumb.

One you don't see me talking about CP3 flopping, the one time I did I was defending him, in the same way I'm defending Jordan right now, because CP3 had a legitimate case in my eyes and everyone consider everything a flop. But you're comparing Apples to oranges, deflecting, that's why I'm calling you a moron, cause that's what you're doing. Comparing a guy trying not to get hit in the face, to a guy that sees a body coming, not knowing is a ref, and then flinging his head back like he just got elbowed by Metta World.

LJJ 05-08-2012 07:36 PM

Re: Michael Jordan flopping
 
That's not excessive flopping at all.


We are talking about Griffin falling over 20 times a game looking for a call, blatantly cheating, when there is obviously no foul. Not a guy losing his balance one time trying to take a charge.

Copperhead 05-08-2012 07:37 PM

Re: Michael Jordan flopping
 
Piling on. Everyone knows the Clippers flop. No secret. Is it because they're currently winning games that people feel the need to pile on everyday? The Clippers must surely be the best at flopping because they've done a very good job at taking the attention away from other floppers. Danilo had a major flop the other night and how many threads were made about it? Probably 1 or 2. Why? Because the Nuggets are losing and no one cares. :oldlol:

This is my last time entering a flopping thread although I know I'll probably run into a post mentioning it in other threads. It's just silly. Flopping is silly and people continuing to say the same things everyday is silly. People not being smart enough to know that it will continue until the league does something to stop it. But hey, I guess it makes for good conversation though right?

Asukal 05-08-2012 07:37 PM

Re: Michael Jordan flopping
 
In this play sure I admit he did flop but this is nothing compared to Lebron's hit by air flops. Now for a new challenge, find a video of Jordan flopping on offense. :cheers:

Copperhead 05-08-2012 07:38 PM

Re: Michael Jordan flopping
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jstern
His momentum was taking him back. Now tell me, how would he avoid getting hit on the face without going back like that?


Take the charge full on. Didn't look like he was getting ready to get Metta World Peace'd in the face. Geezus.

Clippersfan86 05-08-2012 07:40 PM

Re: Michael Jordan flopping
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Asukal
In this play sure I admit he did flop but this is nothing compared to Lebron's hit by air flops. Now for a new challenge, find a video of Jordan flopping on offense. :cheers:


He didn't need to. Refs worshipped him. Plus he was far more skilled than Griffin. The problem is Blake's game depends on being able to bang... and when players are allowed to play you dirty it's much easier to stop. Jordan had a shot, Griffin doesn't.

bwink23 05-08-2012 07:41 PM

Re: Michael Jordan flopping
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Asukal
In this play sure I admit he did flop but this is nothing compared to Lebron's hit by air flops. Now for a new challenge, find a video of Jordan flopping on offense. :cheers:


That's not a flop AT ALL....that's "selling" the charge call..he was there in position, and Isiah was gonna run him over anyway. There is a big difference in selling the call, and flopping. If Isiah stopped short of Jordan and barely nudged him and Jordan goes flying, flailing his arms around, that's FLOPPING>

Clippersfan86 05-08-2012 07:41 PM

Re: Michael Jordan flopping
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bwink23
That's not a flop AT ALL....that's "selling" the charge call..he was there in position, and Isiah was gonna run him over anyway. There is a big difference in selling the call, and flopping. If Isiah stopped short of Jordan and barely nudged him and Jordan goes flying, flailing his arms around, that's FLOPPING>


Griffin is selling calls too... yet nobody will admit that. Unlike Jordan who got no contact here.... Griffin DOES get contact with his flops.

bwink23 05-08-2012 07:45 PM

Re: Michael Jordan flopping
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Clippersfan86
Griffin is selling calls too... yet nobody will admit that. Unlike Jordan who got no contact here.... Griffin DOES get contact with his flops.



Jordan DID get contact.....:rolleyes:

He got an elbow in the chest. That's an obvious charge call.

This is FLOPPING.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwL5k4FDVkQ

Griffin is a BIG, STRONG MAN. No way does that put him flying into the first row....:no:

OldSchoolBBall 05-08-2012 07:47 PM

Re: Michael Jordan flopping
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Clippersfan86
Before people challenged me to find footage of Michael Jordan flopping. Said he has never flopped. Despite it being much harder to find due to it not being during this Youtube age... I found a really bad flop by the GOAT.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1tjP...youtu.be&t=27s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1tjP...youtu.be&t=46s


Err, it's not a flop at all, and it's hysterical that you went through a ton of trouble and this is all you could find. Isiah brought his elbow up INTO MJ's solar plexus, which WILL knock you back and down, especially if you're already backpedaling; Isiah's momentum just continued through MJ and he basically HAD to fall. Not a flop AT ALL. Watch the replay in your second video and it's abundantly clear. What a joke. :oldlol:

bleedinpurpleTwo 05-08-2012 07:47 PM

Re: Michael Jordan flopping
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bwink23
WRONG.....more like cuz he didn't flop, PERIOD>

:roll:
video suggests otherwise!

bdreason 05-08-2012 07:48 PM

Re: Michael Jordan flopping
 
Everyone flops. Always have, always will.


The scrutiny and attention is just 10x's what it used to be. Every play people are seeing 3 instant replays and crying like babies on twitter and facebook (and ISH).

bleedinpurpleTwo 05-08-2012 07:48 PM

Re: Michael Jordan flopping
 
who knew that Isaiah Thomas was soooo big and strong that just by grazing MJ with his elbow, it sent MJ flying backwards.

Thomas was clearly MUCH stronger than we thought!:confusedshrug:

bdreason 05-08-2012 07:50 PM

Re: Michael Jordan flopping
 
And :roll: at people acting like that wasn't a flop. He exaggerated the contact to get the call. Nice play by MJ. The point is to win the game, by any means necessary.

bwink23 05-08-2012 07:50 PM

Re: Michael Jordan flopping
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bdreason
Everyone flops. Always have, always will.


The scrutiny and attention is just 10x's what it used to be. Every play people are seeing 3 instant replays and crying like babies on twitter and facebook (and ISH).



Spoken like someone who never say an 80's or 90's game...:facepalm

Flopping is an EPIDEMIC in today's game. You can thank Vlade Divac for popularizing it. Dennis Rodman would flop quite a bit as well, but not until his later years. Players would sell charges, and that was the extent of flopping in the old school game.

bwink23 05-08-2012 07:51 PM

Re: Michael Jordan flopping
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bleedinpurpleTwo
who knew that Isaiah Thomas was soooo big and strong that just by grazing MJ with his elbow, it sent MJ flying backwards.

Thomas was clearly MUCH stronger than we thought!:confusedshrug:



Notice NO ONE complained about the call. NO ONE complained of flopping...it was a GOOD CALL according to the announcers, WHY?? Cuz it was an obvious charge. :biggums:

bdreason 05-08-2012 07:51 PM

Re: Michael Jordan flopping
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bwink23
Spoken like someone who never say an 80's or 90's game...:facepalm

Flopping is an EPIDEMIC in today's game. You can thank Vlade Divac for popularizing it. Dennis Rodman would flop quite a bit as well, but not until his later years. Players would sell charges, and that was the extent of flopping in the old school game.



I'm 31. I watched the end of the Magic/Bird era, and the entire MJ era.

bwink23 05-08-2012 07:52 PM

Re: Michael Jordan flopping
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bdreason
I'm 31. I watched the end of the Magic/Bird era, and the entire MJ era.



Then you should KNOW BETTER, shouldn't you??

Clippersfan86 05-08-2012 07:53 PM

Re: Michael Jordan flopping
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bdreason
Everyone flops. Always have, always will.


The scrutiny and attention is just 10x's what it used to be. Every play people are seeing 3 instant replays and crying like babies on twitter and facebook (and ISH).


:applause:

bdreason 05-08-2012 07:53 PM

Re: Michael Jordan flopping
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bwink23
Then you should KNOW BETTER, shouldn't you??



Acting like nobody flopped in the 80's and 90's is ridiculous. I'm not saying it isn't way more common now, and I'm certainly not a fan of it... but acting like it didn't exist is delusional.

Clippersfan86 05-08-2012 07:54 PM

Re: Michael Jordan flopping
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bdreason
Acting like nobody flopped in the 80's and 90's is ridiculous. I'm not saying it isn't way more common now, and I'm certainly not a fan of it... but acting like it didn't exist is delusional.


Dennis Rodman is a top 3 flopper in NBA history. Yet go to Youtube and type in Dennis Rodman flop. Guess what you'll find? NOTHING. This is why when people say Griffin flops most as proved by Youtube, I laugh.

bwink23 05-08-2012 07:54 PM

Re: Michael Jordan flopping
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bdreason
I'm 31. I watched the end of the Magic/Bird era, and the entire MJ era.



Since when was instant replays something NEW?? Sportscenter, tv analysts, are nothing new....Flopping is SO BAD right now, that's why it goes all the attention.


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