As an aussie who never really got to see any of longley's career. What can anyone tell me about his game..
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As an aussie who never really got to see any of longley's career. What can anyone tell me about his game..
A decent role player who got paid because he played for a crazy Bulls team.Never averaged over 6 rebounds or 30 minutes in his career.
he was slow, but fit in well with the Bulls. A mediocre rebounder at best, but he was reliable in the triangle, hitting the 15 ft jumper from the corners off passes.
You should be proud of Bogut though. As long as he can stay healthy, he will take the Bucks far this year.
Luuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuccccccccccccc from the stands.
MJ used to get on him for not finishing with a dunk sometimes.
probably the worst starting center of any championship winning team ever
He was a bigger factor than many people think on the 2nd threepeat, mainly because he was 7-2 280 and could hit the open jumper. He was essential in the Bulls beating teams with elite centers.
All I have to say, is thank god Rodman could guard any big man in the league at that time.
Luc hit open shots, because nobody took him seriously. But he got the job done. On any other playoff team, Luc Longley would have been a bench player.
Not to hate on Luc so much, he earned his paycheck.
[QUOTE=Go Getter]Luuuucccc from the stands.
MJ used to get on him for not finishing with a dunk sometimes.[/QUOTE]
Don't lie, you got it from these complied quotes:
[quote]
"With Michael, a lot of us were really taken out of the picture. After the game, it was all Michael. But now, everything in the locker room is shared. There's no one person enjoying all the attention. It's fun because even if you see a headline, it's 'Bulls Lose,' not 'Bulls Lose but Jordan . . . .' We're all accepting the losses and enjoying the victories. There's no headlines saying, 'Pippen does this and Bulls win.' We're all being able to celebrate what we're doing." -- Scottie Pippen, missing Michael so much
"The difference now is we're a twelve-man team. We pass the ball around now and everyone gets involved." -- Horace Grant, showing more love for Michael
"When Michael was here, we put up with a lot of his (bleep). I can't believe you would let us come so far and then be so selfish." -- Bill Cartwright, advising Scottie Pippen to not "be like Mike"
Around the Bulls' offices, Jordan had long been referred to as "Jesus Christ Superstar" because of his celebrity and refusal to attend many team functions because of his outside-sponsor-related activities. -- Michael Jordan's just another guy on the team
"You can peck away at the idol with small chips, but this is not an idol made of wood, this one is born out of the imagination of people, an image too sturdy for mere events and actions to change." -- Phil Jackson on people's perception of Michael
[B]
"I told Luc if he doesn't catch any more of my passes, I'm going to hit him right in the face with it. I'm going to start throwing them right at his head." -- Michael on Luc Longley's inability to catch passes, to which Phil Jackson later asked him, "Why did you have to say that?" [/B]
"You got to take him down. That's how you deal with him. Phil would never let me practice against him. He'd either be on my team or I'd be sitting. Phil knew I was taking him down." -- Bill Cartwright on not putting up with Michael's (bleep)
"It's not my nature to pass up open shots." -- Michael on his shot selection after shooting 30% in a game
"Same old stuff, G. I'm still playing with a guy who's got to prove he can score fifty." -- Scottie Pippen, updating Horace Grant on the new team
"Same old thing, G. Hard to get the ball." -- Pete Myers, updating Horace Grant on the new team
"I'd be lying if I said I came out to pass the ball." -- Michael, talking about his 55-point game at MSG
"He knows I'm a far better one-on-one player. He wouldn't score a point." -- Michael, talking about a hypothetical one-on-one game with Magic Johnson in 1991
"These guys might not be as talented as you'd like them to be, but this is as good as they're going to be. If we run a system, everyone is going to have an opportunity to perform. They can't do what you can do, but they can have some level of success and perform even in critical situations." -- Phil Jackson, telling Michael how it's going to be
"Who the (bleep) are you? You've got no legs and you don't even play. Who are you to be telling us what we did wrong?" -- Michael, snapping at Larry Krystkowiak for offering some helpful advice to the starters
"Whose (bleep) idea was this? Is this Krause's idea?" -- Michael, showing his faith in the coaching staff and front office's playoff roster decisions
[B]
"I told you don't ever pass him the (bleep)' ball on the break." -- Michael, politely informing Pippen to not give the ball to Luc Longley on the break [/B]
"I'm tired of playing with these (bleep)' stiffs." -- Michael, expressing his appreciation for his teammates while walking off the court
"Why don't we run some pick and roll? Is it because our big guys can't set a screen?" -- Michael, expressing more appreciation
"I know sometimes I need to be more like M.J., but M.J. also needs to be more like me. He needs to be the player he is with more my mentality." -- Scottie Pippen on Michael's selfishness
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Exposed.
[QUOTE=ImmortalD24]Don't lie, you got it from these complied quotes:
Exposed.[/QUOTE]
:roll:
First of all I lived in Chicago for over 20 years and watched almost every Bulls game in my basement with my family.
Secondly, the text you quoted doesn't say anything about Jordan getting on Luc for not finishing plays with dunks [it talks about him telling Pip not to pass it to Luc on the break and about him not catching passes]....I got my info from a game where he tricked a layup and the announcers were talking about how he should have dunked the ball [Jordan was giving him an earful].
Lastly, son, please don't bother grown folks with your nonsense....please, it's unbecoming of a young man.
Another thing I recall is that the Bulls used to get Luc involved in the game early. I remember him scoring most of his buckets early in the game.
Funny seeing Luc's name today, I spotted a pic of him and his wife in a local mag just today, he was at some event, wearing a suit and a pair of chucks. He's nearly 2 foot taller than his wife. His white man afro is still strong.
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[quote]Luc Longley runs a drill with Jr. NBA training camp participants at UP Diliman on Thursday. The NBA legend and former Chicago Bulls player is in the Philippines for a series of boot camps for select boys aged 10-14 years old. Roehl Ni
I always thought that Longley was underrated. He was a skilled big man, with an adequate offensive game, including a nice short- to mid-range jumper. He also ran the floor well.
Defensively, he altered some shots and clogged up the lane.
Suffice it to say that he would be in the upper-echelon of big men if he were playing today.
:oldlol: epic bump...ahh luc longley. A poor mans marc gasol.
[quote]"I told Luc if he doesn't catch any more of my passes, I'm going to hit him right in the face with it. I'm going to start throwing them right at his head." -- Michael on Luc Longley's inability to catch passes, to which Phil Jackson later asked him, "Why did you have to say that?" [/quote]
Sounds more like the Kwame MJ drafted than the Longley I remember.
He had skills. I watched him throughout his college career at New Mexico against BYU and Utah.
[QUOTE=Shepseskaf]I always thought that Longley was underrated. He was a skilled big man, with an adequate offensive game, including a nice short- to mid-range jumper. [B]He also ran the floor well.[/B]
Defensively, he altered some shots and clogged up the lane.
Suffice it to say that he would be in the upper-echelon of big men if he were playing today.[/QUOTE]
You should have stopped while you were ahead.:oldlol:
[QUOTE=Go Getter]You should have stopped while you were ahead.:oldlol:[/QUOTE]
Longley was a mobile big man who ran the floor well. Maybe you should watch some of his games -- that is if you can use your mom's computer for that long.
jordan's starting center.
enough said. :bowdown:
[QUOTE=Shepseskaf]Longley was a mobile big man who ran the floor well. Maybe you should watch some of his games -- [B]that is if you can use your mom's computer for that long[/B].[/QUOTE]
OOOOOOOOoooohhhhh :hammertime:
[QUOTE=Shepseskaf]Longley was a mobile big man who ran the floor well. Maybe you should watch some of his games -- that is if you can use your mom's computer for that long.[/QUOTE]
Let's make a bet. I'm sure no respected ISH or Bulls poster would agree with you. Luc was slow as shit.
[QUOTE=Go Getter]Let's make a bet. I'm sure no respected ISH or Bulls poster would agree with you. Luc was slow as shit.[/QUOTE]
i'm with gogetter.
i've never seen luc longley finish a break.
why would he? he was playing with the best open court players of the time.
gogetter is still a jerk tho.
Longley was a solid center. And perfect for the bulls. He has a wet mis range jumper, was nifty in the post and a good man defender. In todays league, hed be top 10.
[QUOTE=97 bulls]Longley was a solid center. And perfect for the bulls. He has a wet mis range jumper, was nifty in the post and a good man defender. In todays league, hed be top 10.[/QUOTE]
When he was playing, he was probably top 20, out of 19 teams?
I can't even remember some teams starting center from the mid 90s?
Dallas?
New Jersey?
Clippers?
T-Wolves?
Sacramento?
Warriors?
Cleveland?
Phoenix?
Nothing special. He would be a 9th/10th man on some teams today. He had a nice jumper, but for a man his size he wasn't a good rebounder, he had trouble finishing inside, and he was flat footed. LOL @ the previous poster who said he ran the floor well.
[QUOTE=97 bulls]Longley was a solid center. And perfect for the bulls. He has a wet mis range jumper, was nifty in the post and a good man defender. In todays league, hed be top 10.[/QUOTE]
top 10? i doubt it.
dwight
bynum
tyson
marc
tim
kg
jefferson
hibbert
kaman
bogut
that's ten already
[QUOTE=Teanett]top 10? i doubt it.
dwight
bynum
tyson
marc
tim
kg
jefferson
hibbert
kaman
bogut
that's ten already[/QUOTE]
He's biased, give him a break.:lol
Centers today better than Longley
dwight
bynum
tyson
marc
tim
kg
jefferson
hibbert
kaman
bogut
noah
b. lopez (injured this season)
gortat
nene
mcgee
d. jordan
cousins
camby
dalembert
hawes
Pekovic
monroe (very underrated)
asik
Longley wouldn't even be top 20 in today's league, and let's be real, if he didn't play for Chicago nobody would even know who he was.
[QUOTE=Go Getter]Let's make a bet. I'm sure no respected ISH or Bulls poster would agree with you. Luc was slow as shit.[/QUOTE]
This is why I dislike debating things that happened 20 years ago with someone who was probably born yesterday.
What I meant about Longley, if it wasn't clear, is that he ran the floor well for someone of his height and size. I did not say he was the freaking flash, or that he had elite-level speed.
If you're comparing him to other Bulls centers of his era, I would say that he was more mobile than either Cartwright or Wennington. Both of them, I would consider flatfooted and slow.
I have a bunch of old Bulls games, and have noted more then once that Longely was much quicker and more mobile than people give him credit for. Obviously, some posters here think he was some kind of stiff, but I don't agree.
Watch some old Bulls games, or look at some YouTube clips. You might be surprised.
[QUOTE=Shepseskaf]
I have a bunch of old Bulls games, and have noted more then once that Longely was much quicker and more mobile than people give him credit for. Obviously, some posters here think he was some kind of stiff, but I don't agree.
[/QUOTE]
of course he was a stiff.
the prototypical stiff with a mid range shot. the only reason he started over wennington was because he was taller. wennington was a better shooter.
longley was uwe blab deluxe.
It depends on how you look at it. I feel if longley plays today, against lesser quality centers as compared to what he had to compete against, his production would be much better. Id venture to guess his production per game would be around 13/8 with 2 blocks. Thats marc gasol type numbers.
[QUOTE=97 bulls]It depends on how you look at it. I feel if longley plays today, against lesser quality centers as compared to what he had to compete against, his production would be much better. Id venture to guess his production per game would be around 13/8 with 2 blocks. Thats marc gasol type numbers.[/QUOTE]
he could never stay in the game long enough for that.
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers]He's biased, give him a break.:lol[/QUOTE]
Im not being biased, i just take evrything into consideration. Olajuwan, Ewing, Robinson, Mourning, and Mutombo were just as dominant defensive centers as Dwight Howard. Even better arguably. Then you have the next tier of defensive centers like muresan, bradly, and camby. Who were on line with tyson chandler.
[QUOTE=97 bulls]Im not being biased, i just take evrything into consideration. Olajuwan, Ewing, Robinson, Mourning, and Mutombo were just as dominant defensive centers as Dwight Howard. Even better arguably. Then you have the next tier of defensive centers like muresan, bradly, and camby. Who were on line with tyson chandler.[/QUOTE]
brother, that's biased.
chandler is better than them.
[QUOTE=97 bulls]It depends on how you look at it. I feel if longley plays today, against lesser quality centers as compared to what he had to compete against, his production would be much better. Id venture to guess his production per game would be around 13/8 with 2 blocks. Thats marc gasol type numbers.[/QUOTE]
The game today has made it harder for big men to score and easier on perimeter players so I highly doubt he averages 13. And averaging 8 rpg is a stretch, in 30 MPG he barley averaged 6 RPG in 1998 and that came when centers like Ewing, Olajuwon, & Robinson were on their last legs. Mutumbo made the All-NBA team that year so it's not like centers were extremely stacked.
To say he would put up the same production as Marc Gasol is ludicrous.
[QUOTE=97 bulls]Im not being biased, i just take evrything into consideration. Olajuwan, Ewing, Robinson, Mourning, and Mutombo were just as dominant defensive centers as Dwight Howard. Even better arguably. Then you have the next tier of defensive centers like muresan, bradly, and camby. Who were on line with tyson chandler.[/QUOTE]
Players like Olajuwon, Ewing, & Robinson from 96-98 were not as dominant defensively than current Dwight Howard, sorry.
[QUOTE=Teanett]he could never stay in the game long enough for that.[/QUOTE]
Yeah cuz hes guarding better quality centers than now.
[QUOTE=Teanett]brother, that's biased.
chandler is better than them.[/QUOTE]
Hes better as a whole, but defensively? No those guys controlled the paint just as good as chandler.
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers]The game today has made it harder for big men to score and easier on perimeter players so I highly doubt he averages 13. And averaging 8 rpg is a stretch, in 30 MPG he barley averaged 6 RPG in 1998 and that came when centers like Ewing, Olajuwon, & Robinson were on their last legs. Mutumbo made the All-NBA team that year so it's not like centers were extremely stacked.
To say he would put up the same production as Marc Gasol is ludicrous.[/QUOTE]
Ludicrous? Gasol avg 14 and 8 this past year. And his role in memphis offense was alot larger than longleys was in chicago.
[QUOTE=97 bulls]Ludicrous? Gasol avg 14 and 8 this past year. And his role in memphis offense was alot larger than longleys was in chicago.[/QUOTE]
Gasol put up 14.5 points, 9 rebounds, 3 assists, 2 blocks per game and was selected to the All-Star team. Longley could only dream of putting up those numbers.
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers]Gasol put up 14.5 points, 9 rebounds, 3 assists, 2 blocks per game and was selected to the All-Star team. Longley could only dream of putting up those numbers.[/QUOTE]
As has already been said, Longley didn't get as many minutes as Gasol (~20 mins per game). On a per-36 minute scale, his career numbers are 12.3/8.4/2.5/1.6.
I don't see any huge differences there.