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Cavs fire coach Scott!?
The Cleveland Cavaliers have released Head Coach Byron Scott, the team announced today from Cleveland Clinic Courts. The announcement was made by Cavaliers General Manager Chris Grant.
“I have tremendous respect for Byron professionally and a great deal of admiration for him personally. At the same time, it is critical for where we are as a team to ensure that we capitalize on every opportunity for development and success and we have fallen short of that on the court,” said Grant. “I believe we needed to make this change in order to get to a better position to achieve our goals. I know I speak on behalf of the entire Cavs organization and the Cleveland community, in thanking Byron for his three years here and his hard work and many contributions on and off the court. We wish Bryon and his wife, Anita, the best.”
Read more: [url]http://www.insidehoops.com/blog/?p=13076#ixzz2Qpd3GG6e[/url]
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[QUOTE=chips93][url]http://www.ohio.com/news/break-news/cavs-fire-coach-byron-scott-after-three-seasons-1.390706[/url][/QUOTE]
Damn... Knew there was a good chance it would happen today. I feel for him. He was put in an impossible spot.
Then again, it did seem like he may have lost the team in the second half of the season.
I'm not crazy about the move, but it will depend on his replacement.
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i liked the guy, our offense wasnt bad, and tristan, kyrie and dion all developed pretty nicely under him (not to give him all the credit), but the defense was always a mess, not just disorganised, but tristan and andy were the only guys who seemed to consistently try on that end.
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[QUOTE=RedBlackAttack]I'm not crazy about the move, but it will depend on his replacement.[/QUOTE]
yeah, there arent any obvious candidates out there
phil jackson maybe?
[COLOR="White"]obviously j/k[/COLOR]
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[QUOTE=chips93]marc stein just retweeted it, so that brings a bit more legitimacy[/QUOTE]
Figured if it was going to happen, it would be done before Grant did his end-of-season presser.
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pretty relevant stat from john scumman:
[QUOTE]Re: Byron Scott - The Cavs are the only team to rank in the bottom 5 in defensive efficiency each of the last 3 seasons.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=chips93]yeah, there arent any obvious candidates out there
phil jackson maybe?
[COLOR="White"]obviously j/k[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
The names I've heard tossed around are Brian Shaw (who was a finalist the last time around), Stan Van Gundy, Mike Malone.... And, yes, Mike Brown (not kidding).
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stan van gundy would be the dream scenario, hes one of the better coaches in the world imo, those magic teams were always good defensively, and while we dont have a dwight howard type anchor to build around, their whole team seemed really organised, and got the very most out of their talent.
he seems pretty forward thinking too, one of the first teams to really dive into the efficiency stats, avoiding mid-range js, and focusing on layups and threes.
im a big fan of stan van gundy.
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[QUOTE=RedBlackAttack]The names I've heard tossed around are Brian Shaw (who was a finalist the last time around), Stan Van Gundy, Mike Malone.... And, yes, Mike Brown (not kidding).[/QUOTE]
TBH i like Mike Brown, he gets a bad rap but he's a solid coach, his D was a big part in getting the cavs to the finals in 07.
I like Scott Skiles too. Who knows though.
I'm also not crazy about the move.
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cavs release a statement:
[url]http://www.nba.com/cavaliers/releases/byron-scott-released-130418[/url]
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inb4 the lakers fire d'antoni and hire Scott. The only logical step after Brown and Pringles
:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:
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[QUOTE=RedBlackAttack]The names I've heard tossed around are Brian Shaw (who was a finalist the last time around), Stan Van Gundy, Mike Malone.... And, yes, Mike Brown (not kidding).[/QUOTE]
I'd like to see SvG back coaching a team.
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[QUOTE=chips93]stan van gundy would be the dream scenario, hes one of the better coaches in the world imo, those magic teams were always good defensively, and while we dont have a dwight howard type anchor to build around, their whole team seemed really organised, and got the very most out of their talent.
he seems pretty forward thinking too, one of the first teams to really dive into the efficiency stats, avoiding mid-range js, and focusing on layups and threes.
im a big fan of stan van gundy.[/QUOTE]
My biggest thing with SVG are his issues with superstar players in Orlando and Miami, most notably Dwight and Shaq. I believe those were the two guys who sealed his fate at each successive stop.
There's not doubt he has the goods from an X's and O's standpoint. The big question has always been, can he relate to these high profile players.
Now, with all of that said, I'd welcome him in if he's the choice.
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:wtf: [QUOTE=RedBlackAttack]My biggest thing with SVG are his issues with superstar players in Orlando and Miami, most notably Dwight and Shaq. I believe those were the two guys who sealed his fate at each successive stop.
There's not doubt he has the goods from an X's and O's standpoint. The big question has always been, can he relate to these high profile players.
Now, with all of that said, I'd welcome him in if he's the choice.[/QUOTE]
Dwight and Shaq are pretty special, most high profile players aren't nearly that immature.
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[QUOTE=comerb]
Dwight and Shaq are pretty special, most high profile players aren't nearly that immature.[/QUOTE]
This is true. My biggest concern, quite honestly, would probably be Dion. He seems like a pretty particular kind of guy... As in, he either gets on with you or doesn't.
Still I like SVG and I think he'd be a good choice. I have no doubt he'll be contacted. I think he, Shaw and Malone will be the primary initial candidates.
That is really just a guess and based on a few things I've heard around town.
If Grant & Co. really think defense is the main issue, Mike Brown could become part of that main group as well.
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[QUOTE=RedBlackAttack]My biggest thing with SVG are his issues with superstar players in Orlando and Miami, most notably Dwight and Shaq. I believe those were the two guys who sealed his fate at each successive stop.
There's not doubt he has the goods from an X's and O's standpoint. The big question has always been, can he relate to these high profile players.
Now, with all of that said, I'd welcome him in if he's the choice.[/QUOTE]
yeah, but dwight and shaq could be nightmares to coach, i dont think kyrie is close to those two, when it comes to outlandish personalities
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[QUOTE=chips93]yeah, but dwight and shaq could be nightmares to coach, i dont think kyrie is close to those two, when it comes to outlandish personalities[/QUOTE]
Nah, I'm not even worried about Kyrie despite his minor problems in the last handful of games. Dion would be the guy I would be more concerned about and I do think he is going to be a very good player. Not on the Dwight/Shaq level of dominance, likely, but a guy who will have serious weight within the organization.
I don't want to make it seem like Dion has been a headache, because I don't think he has (as far as I know). He had some issues his freshman year in college and that's pretty much been it.
I'm just tossing out random thoughts as I ponder new coaching options.
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[QUOTE=RedBlackAttack]
I'm just tossing out random thoughts as I ponder new coaching options.[/QUOTE]
What ever the Cavs do as long as they don't sign Keith Smart they have saved themselves.
Wouldn't mind Bryon Scott at all tho in Seattle/Sacramento.
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[QUOTE=andremiller07]What ever the Cavs do as long as they don't sign Keith Smart they have saved themselves.
Wouldn't mind Bryon Scott at all tho in Seattle/Sacramento.[/QUOTE]
I still think Byron is a good coach and he's definitely a good guy from everything I've heard. Hope nothing but the best for him.
I haven't heard Keith Smart's name mentioned, thankfully. I don't see that happening. :oldlol:
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And Irving is not happy...
He's gonna pull a LeBron eventually, without the "the decision" of course
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Brian Shaw might be the hottest commodity, but I'm not sure he's a great fit seeing as he's a triangle guy. Wouldn't make sense with the personnel the Cavs have.
SVG seems like a good fit. His only downfall in the league has been his inability to manage the biggest egos on his team. Seeing as the Cavs don't really have any bad apples, I guess that would be a significant obstacle already cleared.
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[QUOTE=alec613]And Irving is not happy...[/QUOTE]
link?
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[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You]McMillan[/QUOTE]
wasnt he the defensive coach for team usa? that would be a big plus
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[QUOTE=RedBlackAttack]Nah, I'm not even worried about Kyrie despite his minor problems in the last handful of games. Dion would be the guy I would be more concerned about and I do think he is going to be a very good player. Not on the Dwight/Shaq level of dominance, likely, but a guy who will have serious weight within the organization.
I don't want to make it seem like Dion has been a headache, because I don't think he has (as far as I know). He had some issues his freshman year in college and that's pretty much been it.
I'm just tossing out random thoughts as I ponder new coaching options.[/QUOTE]
Not worried about Dion. He's a gym rat that lives with Mom. Instead of clubbing or partying he's at Cle Clinic courts and has been rumored to set up special shoot arounds for himself at the Q. On one of the later Byron Scott radio shows he revealed that Dion opened up post all star break and started letting him, other assistants, and a few other players into his world. He's extremely guarded given the kind of upbringing he's had.
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hmm. Just read in the ABJ that Dan Gilbert was the driving force behind the firing citing lack of defensive development. Source came from an anon within the cavs org so take it for what its worth.
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Dion's proposed summer workout doesn't indicate he's a bad apple. I'm 100% sure that Scott got fired for defense reasons. We're allowed to be bad, we're not allowed to ignore defense.
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Not a surprise once again players of his stopped listening to him.
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[QUOTE=KyrieTheFuture]Dion's proposed summer workout doesn't indicate he's a bad apple. I'm 100% sure that Scott got fired for defense reasons. We're allowed to be bad, we're not allowed to ignore defense.[/QUOTE]
you nailed it. And to be fair, I know Byron wasn't given a full deck with the injuries, youngsters, and tanking, but defense does win championships and his teams were never considered defensive powerhouses.
from Gilbert:
“I fully support the difficult move that was made today. Although we saw progress with young individual player development, we did not see the kind of progress we expected on the team level this past season. We understand it was challenging with the injuries, but when you are at our stage in the building process, you don't only measure team progress in wins and losses."
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I feel for Byron.
It's not his fault LeBron split a week after he got hired
It's not his fault his 2 best players are made out of glass
It's not his fault the front office has wasted more top-5 picks than Michael Jordan (Waiters and Tristan are good don't get me wrong, but I still don't think they were top 5 worthy. Top 10-15? Yes. But not top 5)
It's not his fault Cleveland's not exactly a market that draws in big free agents
With that said though, the defense thing killed him and understandably so. I don't blame Scott. I'm upset that they fired him. But I do understand WHY they fired him.
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[QUOTE=B-Low]I feel for Byron.
It's not his fault LeBron split a week after he got hired
It's not his fault his 2 best players are made out of glass
[B]It's not his fault the front office has wasted more top-5 picks than Michael Jordan (Waiters and Tristan are good don't get me wrong, but I still don't think they were top 5 worthy. Top 10-15? Yes. But not top 5)[/B]
It's not his fault Cleveland's not exactly a market that draws in big free agents
With that said though, the defense thing killed him and understandably so. I don't blame Scott. I'm upset that they fired him. But I do understand WHY they fired him.[/QUOTE]
TT broke a cavs record for ORBS in a season and was the second best Offensive rebounder in the league behind z-bo and a consistent double double guy at 21 years old, plus he has great intangibles. he was drafted on potential. Only bigs from his class you can make a case for are better than him right now is faried.
Dion Waiters is def. a top 5 rookie in last years draft. Don't really know what you smoking/huffing.
Grant turned two "reaches" into two very solid picks and you act like they f*cked their draft up? :hammerhead: :hammerhead: Did you watch this past season?
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[QUOTE=DukeDelonte13]TT broke a cavs record for ORBS in a season and was the second best Offensive rebounder in the league behind z-bo and a consistent double double guy at 21 years old, plus he has great intangibles. he was drafted on potential. Only bigs from his class you can make a case for are better than him right now is faried.
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Kanter
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I was initially scratching my head in the moments following both the TT and Waiters picks. Both guys have shown so far that they were worthy of the picks, imo. Of course, two and one years into their careers -- respectively -- you aren't going to know exactly what these guys will amount to, but the point is both guys have shown a lot of promise...
Which is what you're hoping for in a draft pick. Not many guys step into the league and stand out immediately the way Kyrie did.
I'm happy with both guys at this stage. To say the drafts were "blown" is ridiculous, especially this early in the process.
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[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You]Kanter[/QUOTE]
Need to see more from him than 15 minutes a game, but it doesn't even matter... He went before Tristan.
You can't say a draft was "blown" because you like a guy who wasn't available.
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[QUOTE=RedBlackAttack]Need to see more from him than 15 minutes a game, but it doesn't even matter... He went before Tristan.
You can't say a draft was "blown" because you like a guy who wasn't available.[/QUOTE]
You also can't say "Only bigs from his class you can make a case for are better than him right now is faried." Kanter definitely has a case. A two year rotation player for a playoff contending team in the West that was the best player on the court when he got to start. He was the youngest guy in the draft who is also the least experienced. Great offensive rebounder in his own right.
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Would've given him next season. Anyone remember what game it was that Dan Gilbert sat next to Fred and Austin during a broadcast of a game?
He said that he expected next year to see major improvements record wise, he just cared about the development of the younger guys this year.
Weird. The dude had to coach some awful, awful teams.
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Byron Scott was the least of this team's problems.
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Cleveland will hire and fire coaches every two years from now until the end of time, unless Lebron comes back.
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[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/gXmczqN.jpg[/IMG]
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[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You]You also can't say "Only bigs from his class you can make a case for are better than him right now is faried." Kanter definitely has a case. A two year rotation player for a playoff contending team in the West that was the best player on the court when he got to start. He was the youngest guy in the draft who is also the least experienced. Great offensive rebounder in his own right.[/QUOTE]
They are in completely different situations and it's tough to make a case for one over the other, at least at this stage. Yes, Kanter is a good rotation player on a far superior team and I've liked Kanter from what I have seen, which admittedly isn't much.
Thompson is getting major minutes and developing rapidly on an inferior team.
To follow-up on where Duke was going, Tristan's vast improvement is clearly visible in his numbers and even more obvious when you watch him play.
Varejao was knocked out for the season on Dec. 18 against the Raptors. TT started the remaining 56 games and averaged 13.2 points on 50% shooting, 10.3 rebounds and a block a game over that stretch.
He also played in all 82 games, which is pretty impressive for a guy who just turned 22 and is in his second season.
You can make a case for Kanter, being that he is an entirely different situation and playing well for what has been asked of him. I think it is fair to say both guys have lived up to their respective billings thus far.
I don't really care to "rate" the bigs of the 2011 draft this early in their careers. We'll see where they are five years down the road. Time will tell.