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[QUOTE=RRR3]LOL never. LeBron and Kobe are both easily better scorers. A semi-good stretch for Melo doesn't change that.[/QUOTE]
Kobe WAS...not anymore, his efficiency is decling with every passing season...and in my opinion his jump shot is suffering as well.
LeBron still is a novice in the post, and his jumper will NEVER EVERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR reach the Bernard King level which Melo's has been on for his entire career. So LeBron with an average post game, a below average jumper is better than Melo?
Better means more versatile...and Melo can do it all... no weaknesses in that offensive game, he's a genius
wait till amare comes back
[QUOTE=NewYorkNoPicks]Kobe WAS...not anymore, his efficiency is decling with every passing season...and in my opinion his jump shot is suffering as well.
LeBron still is a novice in the post, and his jumper will NEVER EVERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR reach the Bernard King level which Melo's has been on for his entire career. So LeBron with an average post game, a below average jumper is better than Melo?
Better means more versatile...and Melo can do it all... no weaknesses in that offensive game, he's a genius[/QUOTE]
Great post, Lebron's always had a team moulded for him to play to his best abilities. Melo is only just getting that luxury. New York did stuff around for 1.5 seasons getting the roster together to suit him admittedly, but the Denver set up was never ideal either.
Melo constantly had to try and play when George Karl absolutely loathed his, Jr Smith's and K-Mart's game. Karl never knew how to handle them and instead of embracing them like Woodson has, constantly benched and put them down without any explanation.
Melo's versatility is probably the best in the league but doesn't get fully utilised often enough for proper judgement to be made. Regardless, Melo > Lebron as a scorer and it's not debatable from a versatility standpoint.
Melo or Durant gets it.
Kobe still the best scorer, though. He just doesn't have to score as much as the others with his team.
consistency is a big part of scoring, if not the biggest. and LBJ shits on Melo in that aspect
[QUOTE=Trentknicks]Great post, Lebron's always had a team moulded for him to play to his best abilities. Melo is only just getting that luxury. New York did stuff around for 1.5 seasons getting the roster together to suit him admittedly, but the Denver set up was never ideal either.
Melo constantly had to try and play when George Karl absolutely loathed his, Jr Smith's and K-Mart's game. Karl never knew how to handle them and instead of embracing them like Woodson has, constantly benched and put them down without any explanation.
Melo's versatility is probably the best in the league but doesn't get fully utilised often enough for proper judgement to be made. Regardless, Melo > Lebron as a scorer and it's not debatable from a versatility standpoint.[/QUOTE]
Yeah Mike Woodson has truly been a pleasant surprise. There isn't a better coach for this team in the entire league at the moment.
The number one factor with Mike is that the players RESPECT HIM. For lack of a better word, they really see Mike Woodson as an "OG". They relate to him, he's one of them. Coach played in the league at a high level, and he seems to really understand their personalities, their thinking, and empathize with some of the mistakes they made. It's surreal, almost like seeing your future self face to face with you now...and hearing all the wisdom from the elder you. He also makes them feel comfortable, he has a great balance of an authority figure and also a friend.
Great scenerio for us this year. I think our only problem at this point is a lack of scoring. I'd love for Grunwald to try and pick up a pure scorer at the trade deadline... With a Jason Terry type on this team we could really go far.
Funny how LeBron shoots better from midrange than Melo the last two years and has a higher career 3PT%. Melo is dreadfully overrated as a shooter.
Year by year comparison then
2003-04:
LeBron: 20.9 PPG on .417/.290/.754 in regular season.
Melo: [B]21.0 PPG [/B]on [B].426/.322/.777[/B] in regular season. 15.0 on .328/.182/.800 in playoffs.
2004-05:
LeBron: [B]27.2[/B] on [B].472/.351[/B]/.750 in regular season.
Melo: 20.8 on .431/.266/[B].796[/B] in regular season. 19.2 on .422/.000/.813 in playoffs.
2005-06:
LeBron: [B]31.4[/B] on .480/[B].335[/B]/.738 in regular season. [B]30.8[/B] on [B].476/.333[/B]/.737 in playoffs.
Melo: 26.5 on [B].481[/B]/.243/[B].808[/B] in regular season. 21.0 on .333/.000/[B].750[/B] in playoffs.
2006-07
LeBron: 27.3 on .476/[B].319/[/B].698 in regular season. 25.1 on .416/.280/.755 in playoffs.
Melo: [B]28.9[/B] on .476/.268/[B].808[/B] in regular season.[B] 26.8[/B] on [B].480/.500/.795[/B] in playoffs.
2007-08
LeBron: [B]30.0[/B] (led NBA) on .484/.315/.712 in regular season. [B]28.2[/B] on [B].411/.257[/B]/.731 in playoffs
Melo: 25.7 on [B].492/.354/.786[/B] in regular season. 22.5 on .364/.250/[B].828[/B] in playoffs.
2008-09
LeBron: [B]28.4[/B] on [B].489[/B]/.344/.780 in regular season. [B]35.3[/B] (led NBA) on [B].510[/B]/.333/.749 in playoffs.
Melo: 22.8 on .443/[B].371/.793[/B] in regular season. 27.2 on .453/[B].364/.826[/B] in playoffs.
2009-10
LeBron: [B]29.7[/B] on [B].503/.333[/B]/.767 in regular season. 29.1 on [B].502/.400[/B]/.733 in playoffs.
Melo: 28.2 on .458/.316/[B].830[/B] in regular season. [B]30.7[/B] on .464/.316/[B].877[/B] in playoffs.
2010-11
LeBron: [B]26.7[/B] on [B].510[/B]/.330/.759 in regular season. 23.7 on [B].466/.353[/B]/.763 in playoffs.
Melo: 25.6 on .455/[B].378/.838[/B] in regular season. [B]26.0[/B] on .375/.346/[B].853[/B] in playoffs.
2011-12
LeBron: [B]27.1[/B] on [B].531/.362[/B]/.771 in regular season. [B]30.3 [/B](led NBA) on [B].500/.259[/B]/.739 in playoffs.
Melo: 22.6 on .430/.335/[B].804[/B] in regular season. 27.8 on .419/.222/[B].756 [/B]in playoffs.
Career regular season
LeBron: [B]27.6 PPG[/B] on .[B]484/.332[/B]/.747.
Melo: 24.7 PPG on .456/.323/[B].805[/B].
Career Playoffs
LeBron:[B] 28.5 PPG[/B] on [B].469[/B]/.312/.745.
Melo: 24.9 PPG on .419/[B].327/.815[/B].
50+ point games
LeBron: [B]9[/B]
Melo: 2
Scoring titles
LeBron: [B]1[/B]
Melo: 0
Playoff leader in PPG
LeBron: [B]2[/B]
Melo: 0
30+ PPG
LeBron: [B]2[/B]
Melo: 0
30+ PPG in playoffs
LeBron: [B]3[/B]
Melo: 1
:coleman:
[QUOTE=RRR3]Funny how LeBron shoots better from midrange than Melo the last two years and has a higher career 3PT%. Melo is dreadfully overrated as a shooter.
Year by year comparison then
2003-04:
LeBron: 20.9 PPG on .417/.290/.754 in regular season.
Melo: [B]21.0 PPG [/B]on [B].426/.322/.777[/B] in regular season. 15.0 on .328/.182/.800 in playoffs.
2004-05:
LeBron: [B]27.2[/B] on [B].472/.351[/B]/.750 in regular season.
Melo: 20.8 on .431/.266/[B].796[/B] in regular season. 19.2 on .422/.000/.813 in playoffs.
2005-06:
LeBron: [B]31.4[/B] on .480/[B].335[/B]/.738 in regular season. [B]30.8[/B] on [B].476/.333[/B]/.737 in playoffs.
Melo: 26.5 on [B].481[/B]/.243/[B].808[/B] in regular season. 21.0 on .333/.000/[B].750[/B] in playoffs.
2006-07
LeBron: 27.3 on .476/[B].319/[/B].698 in regular season. 25.1 on .416/.280/.755 in playoffs.
Melo: [B]28.9[/B] on .476/.268/[B].808[/B] in regular season.[B] 26.8[/B] on [B].480/.500/.795[/B] in playoffs.
2007-08
LeBron: [B]30.0[/B] (led NBA) on .484/.315/.712 in regular season. [B]28.2[/B] on [B].411/.257[/B]/.731 in playoffs
Melo: 25.7 on [B].492/.354/.786[/B] in regular season. 22.5 on .364/.250/[B].828[/B] in playoffs.
2008-09
LeBron: [B]28.4[/B] on [B].489[/B]/.344/.780 in regular season. [B]35.3[/B] (led NBA) on [B].510[/B]/.333/.749 in playoffs.
Melo: 22.8 on .443/[B].371/.793[/B] in regular season. 27.2 on .453/[B].364/.826[/B] in playoffs.
2009-10
LeBron: [B]29.7[/B] on [B].503/.333[/B]/.767 in regular season. 29.1 on [B].502/.400[/B]/.733 in playoffs.
Melo: 28.2 on .458/.316/[B].830[/B] in regular season. [B]30.7[/B] on .464/.316/[B].877[/B] in playoffs.
2010-11
LeBron: [B]26.7[/B] on [B].510[/B]/.330/.759 in regular season. 23.7 on [B].466/.353[/B]/.763 in playoffs.
Melo: 25.6 on .455/[B].378/.838[/B] in regular season. [B]26.0[/B] on .375/.346/[B].853[/B] in playoffs.
2011-12
LeBron: [B]27.1[/B] on [B].531/.362[/B]/.771 in regular season. [B]30.3 [/B](led NBA) on [B].500/.259[/B]/.739 in playoffs.
Melo: 22.6 on .430/.335/[B].804[/B] in regular season. 27.8 on .419/.222/[B].756 [/B]in playoffs.
Career regular season
LeBron: [B]27.6 PPG[/B] on .[B]484/.332[/B]/.747.
Melo: 24.7 PPG on .456/.323/[B].805[/B].
Career Playoffs
LeBron:[B] 28.5 PPG[/B] on [B].469[/B]/.312/.745.
Melo: 24.9 PPG on .419/[B].327/.815[/B].
50+ point games
LeBron: [B]9[/B]
Melo: 2
:coleman:[/QUOTE]
Hey dummy...youre looking at 2 pt FG% right?
Ever stop to think that most of LeBrons shots from the field are dunks? That increases FG%
On the other hand most of Melo's shots are contested mid range jumpers...
So yes LBJ should have a higher FG% than Melo considering athe majority of his shots are dunks/layups.
I guess Tony Paker is a better shooter than Melo too because his FG% is 50% right?
Even the most ignorant of basketball fans know TP cant shoot
[QUOTE=NewYorkNoPicks]Hey dummy...youre looking at 2 pt FG% right?
Ever stop to think that most of LeBrons shots from the field are dunks? That increases FG%
On the other hand most of Melo's shots are contested mid range jumpers...
So yes LBJ should have a higher FG% than Melo considering athe majority of his shots are dunks/layups.
I guess Tony Paker is a better shooter than Melo too because his FG% is 50% right?
Even the most ignorant of basketball fans know TP cant shoot[/QUOTE]
No LeBron has shot better from midrange last two years than Melo. Look it up. It's also not LeBron's fault he's better than Melo at getting to the rim. LeBron scores more, is more efficient, and is a far better playoff performer than Melo and is far more likely to score 50+. Not sure what the debate is.
Here's some more data
40+ games, regular season
LeBron: [B]48[/B]
Melo: 21
40+ games, playoffs
LeBron: [B]11[/B]
Melo: 4
[QUOTE=kurple]consistency is a big part of scoring, if not the biggest. and LBJ shits on Melo in that aspect[/QUOTE]
:applause: thank you. This guy gets it. It doesn't matter if LeBron isn't as "pretty" as Melo when he scores, he scores more and he's more efficient, I could care less how he gets his points as long as he gets them.
[QUOTE=RRR3]No LeBron has shot better from midrange last two years than Melo. Look it up. It's also not LeBron's fault he's better than Melo at getting to the rim. LeBron scores more, is more efficient, and is a far better playoff performer than Melo and is far more likely to score 50+. Not sure what the debate is.
Here's some more data
40+ games, regular season
LeBron: [B]48[/B]
Melo: 21
40+ games, playoffs
LeBron: [B]11[/B]
Melo: 4[/QUOTE]
SO YOURE ADMITTING IT! LEBRONS FG% IS HIGHER BECAUSE THE MAJORITY OF HIS SHOTS ARE DUNKS!
How does that make someone a better scorer?!
LeBron is ridiculously athletic, does that make him the best scorer in the league? Old Man Kobe is still light years ahead of LeBron in terms of advanced scoring.
And you dont care how LeBron gets his points? Maybe because his scoring was so one dimensional for so long that contributed to his multiple failures in the closing seconds of games?
When you can do it all on the floor, team's cant play you any specific way or exploit you in the closing seconds. You have too many options...and that is why (now this is a FACT, look it up dick) CARMELO ANTHONY HAS HIT THE MOST GAME WINNING/TYING SHOTS IN THE ENTIRE LEAGUE SINCE 2003.
[QUOTE=NewYorkNoPicks]SO YOURE ADMITTING IT! LEBRONS FG% IS HIGHER BECAUSE THE MAJORITY OF HIS SHOTS ARE DUNKS!
How does that make someone a better scorer?!
LeBron is ridiculously athletic, does that make him the best scorer in the league? Old Man Kobe is still light years ahead of LeBron in terms of advanced scoring.
And you dont care how LeBron gets his points? Maybe because his scoring was so one dimensional for so long that contributed to his multiple failures in the closing seconds of games?
When you can do it all on the floor, team's cant play you any specific way or exploit you in the closing seconds. You have too many options...and that is why (now this is a FACT, look it up dick) CARMELO ANTHONY HAS HIT THE MOST GAME WINNING/TYING SHOTS IN THE ENTIRE LEAGUE SINCE 2003.[/QUOTE]
That's nice. LeBron led the league in 4th quarter scoring like 4 years in a row in Cleveland, so what's your point? He also has hit plenty of game winners, and I'm fairly certain has a better percentage on game winners in the playoffs. LeBron has 6 playoff game winners. Does Melo have any? LeBron also scores more in the playoffs, so again it doesn't matter how he does it. You're arguing against facts, I find this hilarious.
ANd for the last ****ing time:
[SIZE="7"][B]LEBRON SHOT BETTER FROM MIDRANGE THAN MELO THE LAST TWO SEASONS. MIDRANGE!!!! OR DID LEBRON DUNK THOSE TOO? :facepalm [/B][/SIZE]
Kobe > Durant > Melo > LeBron > half the league > Wade
[QUOTE=The Choken One]Kobe > Durant > Melo > LeBron > half the league > Wade[/QUOTE]
Worst list ever.