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Mavericks Acquire Shawn Marion
It was actually a 4-team trade that sent Hedo Turkoglu to the Raptors and Shawn Marion to the Mavericks
The Orlando Magic have acquired a trade exception and cash considerations from the Toronto Raptors, and cash considerations from the Dallas Mavericks as part of a four-team trade, General Manager Otis Smith announced today. [B][URL="http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/../blog/?p=4537"]As part of a sign-and-trade deal, forward Hedo Turkoglu was traded to Toronto[/URL][/B]. [URL="http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/../blog/?p=4537"]InsideHoops.com[/URL]
[B][URL="http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/../blog/?p=4537"]Also included as parts of the deal - Toronto sends Shawn Marion, Kris Humphries, Nathan Jawai and cash considerations to Dallas, while[/URL][/B] also sending a future second round draft pick to Memphis; Memphis sends Greg Buckner to Dallas; Dallas sends Jerry Stackhouse and cash considerations to Memphis, while also sending Devean George and Antoine Wright to Toronto. [URL="http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/../blog/?p=4537"]InsideHoops.com[/URL]
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How does this help the Mavericks? I dont see a defender on that starting line-up?
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Jason Kidd, Josh Howard, Shawn Marion, & Marcin Gortat are all excellent defenders.
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This article doesn't prove **** and doesn't give any new info.
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[QUOTE=miles berg]Jason Kidd, Josh Howard, Shawn Marion, & Marcin Gortat are all excellent defenders.[/QUOTE]
Jason Kidd gets exposed by the quicker PG's...
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PG-Jason Kidd | JJ Barea
SG-Josh Howard | Jason Terry
SF-Shawn Marion | Josh Howard
PF-Dirk Nowitzki | Shawn Marion
CT-Marcin Gortat | Erick Dampier
Thats your basic 8 man Dallas Mavericks rotation.
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Great acquisition.
I'm happy Cuban didn't sit around twiddling his thumbs this off-season. :applause:
Still got Damp's contract for the deadline to get even better if needed.
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[QUOTE=miles berg]PG-Jason Kidd | JJ Barea
SG-Josh Howard | Jason Terry
SF-Shawn Marion | Josh Howard
PF-Dirk Nowitzki | Shawn Marion
CT-Marcin Gortat | Erick Dampier
Thats your basic 8 man Dallas Mavericks rotation.[/QUOTE]
Quintin Ross at the 3 also and Wright will get some minutes at the 2/3. Good depth on that roster.
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[QUOTE=miles berg]PG-Jason Kidd | JJ Barea
SG-Josh Howard | Jason Terry
SF-Shawn Marion | Josh Howard
PF-Dirk Nowitzki | Shawn Marion
CT-Marcin Gortat | Erick Dampier
Thats your basic 8 man Dallas Mavericks rotation.[/QUOTE]
What about Hollins and Wright?
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What about Beobois? isnt he coming over to play this season?
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[QUOTE=1~Gibson~1]What about Hollins and Wright?[/QUOTE]
Hollins is a free agent I think?
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[QUOTE=miles berg]Jason Kidd, Josh Howard, Shawn Marion, & Marcin Gortat are all excellent defenders.[/QUOTE]
This is right. I have been interested in seeing what adding Gortat and Marion will do defensively for Dallas. It basically duplicates two already strong defensive spots (Howard/Marion and Dampier/Gortat), but it does help them cover more of the floor.
They will always have a strong perimeter and a strong interior defender on the floor at the same time.
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[QUOTE=raptorfan_dr07]Hollins is a free agent I think?[/QUOTE]
oh yea. he's restricted though.
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[QUOTE=knickballer]Jason Kidd gets exposed by the quicker PG's...[/QUOTE]
The Mavs already got a young PG in the draft named Rodrigue Beaubois who's just as fast as Devin Harris.
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Marion is also good at guarding quick guards isnt he? he usually guarded Tony Parker when the Suns/Spurs met, but then again that was some year back and he's aged :confusedshrug:
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[quote] PG-Jason Kidd | JJ Barea
SG-Josh Howard | Jason Terry
SF-Shawn Marion | Josh Howard
PF-Dirk Nowitzki | Shawn Marion
CT-Marcin Gortat | Erick Dampier[/quote]
This is another dumb move by Cuban. I find it pretty amazing that Cuban has totally destroyed his 06 Finals roster. Thats not even counting his trading of Nash to Pheonix. He first dealt away their young all-star PG that was suppose to be the future of the franchise. Howard never became the superstar that everyone was hoping he'd be and then Cuban sealed the fate of the team by firing Avery Johnson, which has the highest winning % ever by a head coach in NBA history. Now all the Mavs have is pretty much a plethora of forwards that can all do the same thing except dominate the paint. Marion was never a post up player and Howard should be played at the 3 rather than the 2, he feels way more comfortable there. And its' not like Dirk likes to take it to the paint all that often either. Its sad when your best post player is either Gortat, Bass or Dampier.
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[QUOTE=triangleoffense]This is another dumb move by Cuban. I find it pretty amazing that Cuban has totally destroyed his 06 Finals roster. Thats not even counting his trading of Nash to Pheonix. He first dealt away their young all-star PG that was suppose to be the future of the franchise. Howard never became the superstar that everyone was hoping he'd be and then Cuban sealed the fate of the team by firing Avery Johnson, which has the highest winning % ever by a head coach in NBA history. Now all the Mavs have is pretty much a plethora of forwards that can all do the same thing except dominate the paint. Marion was never a post up player and Howard should be played at the 3 rather than the 2, he feels way more comfortable there. And its' not like Dirk likes to take it to the paint all that often either. Its sad when your best post player is either Gortat, Bass or Dampier.[/QUOTE]
Dirk is their best post player :hammerhead:
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Bye bye to Antoine Wright's minutes
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[QUOTE=triangleoffense]This is another dumb move by Cuban. I find it pretty amazing that Cuban has totally destroyed his 06 Finals roster. Thats not even counting his trading of Nash to Pheonix. He first dealt away their young all-star PG that was suppose to be the future of the franchise. Howard never became the superstar that everyone was hoping he'd be and then Cuban sealed the fate of the team by firing Avery Johnson, which has the highest winning % ever by a head coach in NBA history. Now all the Mavs have is pretty much a plethora of forwards that can all do the same thing except dominate the paint. Marion was never a post up player and Howard should be played at the 3 rather than the 2, he feels way more comfortable there. And its' not like Dirk likes to take it to the paint all that often either. Its sad when your best post player is either Gortat, Bass or Dampier.[/QUOTE]
Hating at it's finest
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[QUOTE=triangleoffense]This is another dumb move by Cuban. I find it pretty amazing that Cuban has totally destroyed his 06 Finals roster. [B]Thats not even counting his trading of Nash to Pheonix[/B]. He first dealt away their young all-star PG that was suppose to be the future of the franchise. Howard never became the superstar that everyone was hoping he'd be and then Cuban sealed the fate of the team by firing Avery Johnson, which has the highest winning % ever by a head coach in NBA history. Now all the Mavs have is pretty much a plethora of forwards that can all do the same thing except dominate the paint. Marion was never a post up player and Howard should be played at the 3 rather than the 2, he feels way more comfortable there. And its' not like Dirk likes to take it to the paint all that often either. Its sad when your best post player is either Gortat, Bass or Dampier.[/QUOTE]
Nash wasn't traded he left in free agency. You can diss the move all you want but at least try and get your facts straight.
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[quote]Hating at it's finest[/quote]
How is it hating? It's my own opinion that this was a dumb move by the Mavs... everything is still subjective until the regular season starts.
[quote]Nash wasn't traded he left in free agency. You can diss the move all you want but at least try and get your facts straight.[/quote]
Ah thats right, sorry my mistake. Either way... Cuban didn't want to hand out Nash the cash necessary because he thought Nash wasn't worth it.. Nash received the leagues MVP twice in Pheonix as well as leading them to what was then the best turnaround season ever in the NBA (currently belongs to the 08 Celtics).
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[QUOTE=triangleoffense]This is another dumb move by Cuban. I find it pretty amazing that Cuban has totally destroyed his 06 Finals roster. Thats not even counting his trading of Nash to Pheonix. He first dealt away their young all-star PG that was suppose to be the future of the franchise. Howard never became the superstar that everyone was hoping he'd be and then Cuban sealed the fate of the team by firing Avery Johnson, which has the highest winning % ever by a head coach in NBA history. Now all the Mavs have is pretty much a plethora of forwards that can all do the same thing except dominate the paint. Marion was never a post up player and Howard should be played at the 3 rather than the 2, he feels way more comfortable there. And its' not like Dirk likes to take it to the paint all that often either. Its sad when your best post player is either Gortat, Bass or Dampier.[/QUOTE]
You know Dallas actually got BETTER when Nash left right? Devin Harris was never going to be the future of their franchise, hell he was a fourth option on a team that was quickly losing its will to compete. Howard was never expected to be anything more than a suitable 2nd option, the fact that he tried to be more than that actually created problems for the team and he became a black hole. Avery was simply not the right coach after the 2006 Finals, he was a motivator and good for a young team, but he was severely outcoached in 2007 and the team had tuned him out.
All in all, this post stinks of hate and anti-Mavs bias. This is a solid pickup. They got Marion, a good defensive player and someone who should be able to flourish with a PG like Kidd. Especially considering they gave up Stackhouse (Who is done and didn't play one minute for the Mavs during their playoff run). Depending on how Howard adjusts to playing at the 2 spot, this could be the move that puts the Mavericks back into contention into the West.
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Looks like I'm in the minority but I like this move for the Mavs. Nice mix of perimeter and interior defense and they still have excellent offensive players in their rotation. Not saying this team is going to win it all but I believe they can certainly contend.
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They have a nice running team going for them here. I hate the Mavs but they are going to be challenging for the Southwest division. Should be fun watching Mavs and Spurs duke it out.
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[QUOTE=knickballer]Jason Kidd gets exposed by the quicker PG's...[/QUOTE]
ALL PGs get exposed by the quicker PGs.
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[QUOTE=kentatm]ALL PGs get exposed by the quicker PGs.[/QUOTE]
:applause:
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Wright and Stackhouse are both leaving in the deal apparently. And Dallas seems to be getting a bargain contract wise. 5 years about 39 million for Marion? What a steal...
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Great pickup by the Mavs.
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This was what JES from DB.com said the salary for Marion looked like:
2009-10 = $6,265,200
2010-11 = $6,920,063
2011-12 = $7,646,669
2012-13 = $8,449,569
2013-14 = $9,336,744
Total........$38,615,575
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All in all, this post stinks of hate and anti-Mavs bias.[/quote]
Why? Because I don't agree with your argument?
[quote] They got Marion, a good defensive player and someone who should be able to flourish with a PG like Kidd.[/quote]
His man to man defensive is ok... his help defensive is acceptable at best. Marion might be an ok fit but I just don't see him as the piece that puts Dallas into one of the western powerhouses. To truly become a title contender a team has to have no weaknesses from players 1-12. Look at how the Lakers are still aggressively pursuing Odom, their front office knows that chances are the Lakers are not going to get it done without Odom. When the Lakers won the finals this year they had players 1-12 step up in crucial points in their playoff run. Shannon Brown's energy off the bench is what turned the tide against Denver in Game 4 (or was it 5). Fisher's jumpers is what got the Lakers through game 4 of the Finals. Odom's play, although inconsistent is what propelled the Lakers through the playoffs when he was playing good. Ariza, Walton, Bynum, Farmer all contributed at various points in the playoffs as well as the finals.
The Mavs have too many issues. Howard is going to have to adjust to a position he's not use to. Jason Kidd is past his prime and can be a liability at times on defensive just like Fisher was.. the difference is that the Lakers have Brown and Farmer to make up for Fisher's defensive woes as well as his offensive woes. The Mavs have a bruiser at the C position in Dampier that will put in the dirty work but his age is becoming a big issue. Bass is another promising C/PF that looks like he has potential yet hasn't really stepped up for the Mavs when it really counted. Like I said already Dirk and Marion have no real inside game and really can't dominate the ball in the paint like the team needs them to.
I really like that kid Jason Terry though.. especially coming off the bench. He averaged 20 points off the bench last season and lead the team in 4th quarter scoring. Too bad they can't get a starting SG thats half as good as him.
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Deal is agreed on!
Mavs get:
Marion
Humphries
Raps get:
Devean George
Antoine Wright
Grizz get:
Stack
cash
[url]http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4314637[/url]
:applause:
EDIT: Ric bucher's twitter also has Greg Buckner to Dallas and Quincy Douby to Memphis.
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I'm glad we threw Devean George in there too. So damn sick of him.
Possible rotation as of now:
Kidd/Barea
Howard/Terry
Marion/Ross
Dirk/Singleton (maybe Bass)
Gortat/Dampier
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Buckner has the exact same type of contract as Dampier
The Mavs can now offer a full on max contract for a player next summer in a sign and trade. Some team is going to lose their star for nothing and Dallas will be able to step in and give them instant and significant savings with two completely non guaranteed contracts.
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[QUOTE=kentatm]Buckner has the exact same type of contract as Dampier
The Mavs can now offer a full on max contract for a player next summer in a sign and trade. Some team is going to lose their star for nothing and Dallas will be able to step in and give them instant and significant savings with two completely non guaranteed contracts.[/QUOTE]
In Cuban we trust? Damn, I just wanna see Dirk win it all, and with the Mavs not anywhere else.
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Wow they even get Humphries out of the deal.
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I don't know why but I can see a 2nd rounder thrown to TO for some reason. In these types of trades, there is usually a draft pick somewhere...
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[QUOTE=D-Rose]In Cuban we trust? Damn, I just wanna see Dirk win it all, and with the Mavs not anywhere else.[/QUOTE]
Lebron may have some thinking to do. Dallas is a far bigger market than Cleveland, not as big as New York though. However, with their roster intact apart from Howard and Dampier leaving Lebron would have a terrific chance to win with Dirk, Kidd, Terry, and the rest. Wade is another guy who you could bring up, but I question how deep the hate really runs between Dirk and him. Their mutual dislike seems pretty genuine.
The guy I look at is Joe Johnson, he could fill that 2 guard spot and would compliment Dirk well. Ah well, let's not get ahead of ourselves.
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Jason Kidd and Shawn Marion are reunited once again.
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Whatever with Marion, I'm just glad that Devean George is gone.
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[QUOTE=D-Rose]Deal is agreed on!
Mavs get:
Marion
Humphries
Raps get:
Devean George
Antoine Wright
Grizz get:
Stack
cash
[url]http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4314637[/url]
:applause:
EDIT: Ric bucher's twitter also has Greg Buckner to Dallas and Quincy Douby to Memphis.[/QUOTE]
How good is Wright? Possible starting SG for the raps next year?