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The Bulls will regret their decision if they draft Rose over Beasley
Everyone knows that Derrick Rose is a nice player, but just like he himself admitted a month ago, Michael Beasley is a way better player than him. Besides, the Bulls already have a not-too-bad backcourt and they badly need a inside scorer like Beasley. In a word, Beasley fits better in the current Bulls team than Rose. As a consequence, I'd say the Bulls will regret their decision if they do take Rose over Beasley during this draft. Seriously, why do people think the Bulls would draft Rose? Just 'cause he's from Chicago?
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Re: The Bulls will regret their decision if they draft Rose over Beasley
i agree, Beasley is far better right now, and is less of a gamble. If Rose turns into a Deron Williams (as experts are projecting) than Rose would be better than Beasley, but the odds of that happening are probably 50-50.
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i agree most people will drill paxson for drafting rose... when the season starts, rose did say beasley was the better player now, and most people will agree with that... then december rolls around and rose gets better but miamis laughing at chicago cuz beasleys doing 20 and 8 while rose is doing 8 and 4, than febuary comes through and rose makes a couple of sportscenter dunks on numerous grills he might have a couple of 20 and 10 games under his belt while beasleys put up a couple of 30+ games, after the allstar break the bullies are in playoff contention... while miamis one out of the top 4 teams in the eastern conference, than april rolls around and this is when rose decides to live up to his potential not with #'s but with his composure during close down to the wire games and the bullies just squeak into the post season as a #7 seed and this is where rose blossoms into a beautifull rose he'll do damage in the playoffs similar to what dwade did his rookie year and they will become the hottest team in the league no one wants to face in the 1st round, when the bullies get knocked off EVERYBODY will be anticipating for next season yearning for more rose, and more rose, and this is when you will be like WOW!
remember deron williams his freshmen yr at illinjois? he was a walking tub of lard... now look at him now
keep in mind rose is only 19
bottom line is this, beasley will help you win now, and rose will help you win a championship later
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[QUOTE=DwadeOverLebron]
keep in mind rose is only 19
bottom line is this, beasley will help you win now, and rose will help you win a championship later[/QUOTE]
Beasley is also 19 so why can't he keeps improving just like Rose?
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Re: The Bulls will regret their decision if they draft Rose over Beasley
beasly is better than rose he will probly be like a larmar odom or shawn marion
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[QUOTE=shaoyut]beasly is better than rose he will probly be like a[B] larmar odom[/B] or shawn marion[/QUOTE]
If Beasley turns out to be merely another Lamar Odom then he's a bust...
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Re: The Bulls will regret their decision if they draft Rose over Beasley
[QUOTE=Kiddlovesnets]If Beasley turns out to be merely another Lamar Odom then he's a bust...[/QUOTE]
why is that?
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Re: The Bulls will regret their decision if they draft Rose over Beasley
[QUOTE=baseketball4life]why is that?[/QUOTE]
Michael Beasley is expected to be a 20+,10+ guy in his career and play tough basketball, which means that he should be far better than that Larmar Odom.
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Re: The Bulls will regret their decision if they draft Rose over Beasley
People are getting it [I]severely[/I] twisted. Beasley won't be putting up 25 and 12 in the NBA the way he did at K-State. The kid dominated on a mediocre college team with no other legitimate stars, and in three or four years people will be all over him for doing nothing besides scoring, ala Carmelo.
Rose carried his team to the NCAA championship game, a few missed FT's away from the win, and made former scrubs like Chris Douglas-Roberts and Joey Dorsey look like first-round picks in the process.
It's not a contest. Potential franchise point guard vs. potential scoring champ who maybe gets 5 rebounds a game? I'm taking the first one and not looking back.
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Nothing against Rose, I just don't get why people are so down on Beasley. He had a better freshman year than Durant, and that's not even debatable, and people were drooling over Durant like he was the next MJ. But Beasley keeps getting called "next Derrick Coleman" and such.
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Re: The Bulls will regret their decision if they draft Rose over Beasley
[QUOTE=Kiddlovesnets]Michael Beasley is expected to be a 20+,10+ guy in his career and play tough basketball, which means that he should be far better than that Larmar Odom.[/QUOTE]
That's laughable. PS if Lamar Odom-type numbers are going to be a [I]disappointment[/I], I feel terrible for the apparently unreal pressure being put on this kid.
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Re: The Bulls will regret their decision if they draft Rose over Beasley
[QUOTE=Kiddlovesnets]Everyone knows that Derrick Rose is a nice player, but just like he himself admitted a month ago, Michael Beasley is a way better player than him. Besides, the Bulls already have a not-too-bad backcourt and they badly need a inside scorer like Beasley. In a word, Beasley fits better in the current Bulls team than Rose. As a consequence, I'd say the Bulls will regret their decision if they do take Rose over Beasley during this draft. Seriously, why do people think the Bulls would draft Rose? Just 'cause he's from Chicago?[/QUOTE]
People, like me, think the Bulls would draft Rose because he's good, not because he's from Chicago. You do realize that most teams in the NBA rank Rose top two in this draft right? Yes, the Bulls have a decent backcourt, but Rose would be the best player in the backcourt if they draft him. I think a trade will happen from the Bulls end, which will make the decision easier on who to draft. Beasley will be a beast...but so will Rose. They are totally different positions. It's like comparing Jordan to Olajuwon. Both great..but different positions. I can't see Rose being a bust...so I don't see how they will regret drafting Rose over Beasley, if that is what they do.
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Beasley is not gonna be a PF. He 6-7. He's more of a small foward
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[QUOTE=new noise]People are getting it [I]severely[/I] twisted. Beasley won't be putting up 25 and 12 in the NBA the way he did at K-State. The kid dominated on a mediocre college team with no other legitimate stars, and in three or four years people will be all over him for doing nothing besides scoring, ala Carmelo.
Rose carried his team to the NCAA championship game, a few missed FT's away from the win, [B]and made former scrubs like Chris Douglas-Roberts and Joey Dorsey look like first-round picks in the process.[/B]
It's not a contest. Potential franchise point guard vs. potential scoring champ who maybe gets 5 rebounds a game? I'm taking the first one and not looking back.[/QUOTE]
You clearly don't know what you're talking about...:oldlol:
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Re: The Bulls will regret their decision if they draft Rose over Beasley
Both players in question are going to disappoint seeing as both are expected to be "beasts" at their positions. Both will be fine players but considering Rose is being touted as a "game changer" and Beasley as a potential "scoring champ" people will surely be let down by what really happens.
That said, if I was in charge of Chicago's draft I'd select Derrick Rose. Vinny Del Negro was hired on to coach with absolutely no coaching experience. I'd be more comfortable giving him an athletic guard and figuring out his philosophy than giving him an inside-outside player whose effectiveness is determined by matchups.
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I don't like Beasley in the prospect that he doesn't have a real position. His skills are not defined towards any role and he'll just be one of those tweener type players that'll be lost in playing the perimeter and playng in the post. I've realized I don't like those type of players and rarely see those type of players succeed immensely.
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I was leaning towards Beasley at first, but I'd have to agree with Da KO King that after the hiring of Vinny Del Negro I'd prefer a potential franchise PG with a higher ceiling to grow as a player IMO
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Re: The Bulls will regret their decision if they draft Rose over Beasley
[QUOTE=baseketball4life]i agree, Beasley is far better right now, and is less of a gamble. If Rose turns into a Deron Williams (as experts are projecting) than Rose would be better than Beasley, but the odds of that happening are probably 50-50.[/QUOTE]
I'd take my chances on Rose he could be like a franchise player while Beasley wouldn't make everyone around them better as Rose would. There are no regrets drafting the best point gaurd in the draft and perhaps the only true point gaurd of the draft. Plus with Beasley's height he's more of a SF and the Bulls don't need that. A guy like Rose could really help the Bulls big guys excell and be a leader for many years. Him being from Chicago also adds excitment and motivation not only for himself, but also for the fans. So Rose is the way to go.
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[QUOTE=wang4three]I don't like Beasley in the prospect that he doesn't have a real position. His skills are not defined towards any role and he'll just be one of those tweener type players that'll be lost in playing the perimeter and playng in the post. I've realized I don't like those type of players and rarely see those type of players succeed immensely.[/QUOTE]
Exactly, while there aren't as many questions when it comes to Rose. In my oppinion he would be the smarter pick for the Bulls.
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[QUOTE=Crazy Style]Exactly, while there aren't as many questions when it comes to Rose. In my oppinion he would be the smarter pick for the Bulls.[/QUOTE]
The only reason there are not as many questions about Derrick Rose is because he'd be a "better fit" with both Chicago and Miami than Mike Beasley. If the situation was reversed the weaknesses in Derrick Rose's game would be pointed out.
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They're both superstars and future all stars. You can't go wrong with either one, that's why Stern put them at #1 overall. Rose will be better than Paul and Williams. He's more athletic and his potential has no limit.
Beasley is a beast but he does have character concerns and when you look into his eyes, you can see looney tunes playing. He has zero focus.
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Re: The Bulls will regret their decision if they draft Rose over Beasley
[QUOTE=Kiddlovesnets]Michael Beasley is expected to be a 20+,10+ guy in his career and play tough basketball, which means that he should be far better than that Larmar Odom.[/QUOTE]
Beasley has a great chance to be 20-25 ppg scorer in the not so distant future but I doubt he ever averages close to 10 rpg.
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[QUOTE=knickballer]Beasley is not gonna be a PF. He 6-7. He's more of a small foward[/QUOTE]
If you watch mcdonalds slam dunk contest he damn near dunks the ball between the legs from the free throw line. 3 inches isnt going to hurt him any. He proved in college he is the best damn rebounder there is. HE also scored 3rd best in college without getting many passes. I watched all of Kstate games that point guard pollin is a damn ball hog and wasnt skilled enough to get the ball to beasley efficiently. The nba will be a different matter beasley will get the ball and he will dominate on a regular basis. He is 19 he can still grow too. the bulls dont need a point guard they need a scorer. ben gordon is a short midget that can score but when a team wants to shut him down they can. With beasley we will have someone to actualy go to. The bulls do not need Rose that bad what they realy need is to make some trades and get a PG that way.
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what does beasley have to make him dominant.
Strength
Shooting skills (3 point shooter)
good dribbles.
Versitile he can play PF if needed
athletic this guy gots tyrus thomas beat
Drive - he wants to be the best in all of NBA
I know we need the PG but realy we need beasley it would make hinrichs job easier and ben gordons job easier. To tell the truth hinrich and gordon should be shipped out so sefelosha and hughs can take over as starters.
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Re: The Bulls will regret their decision if they draft Rose over Beasley
[QUOTE=Kiddlovesnets]Everyone knows that Derrick Rose is a nice player, but just like he himself admitted a month ago, Michael Beasley is a way better player than him. Besides, the Bulls already have a not-too-bad backcourt and they badly need a inside scorer like Beasley. In a word, Beasley fits better in the current Bulls team than Rose. As a consequence, I'd say the Bulls will regret their decision if they do take Rose over Beasley during this draft. Seriously, why do people think the Bulls would draft Rose? Just 'cause he's from Chicago?[/QUOTE]
Just cuz he's from Chicago doesn't mean anything. Half the players in the league are from Chitown from Wade to Finley.
The reason why Rose has the advantage is because the league has made the NBA a pu$$y league. And the no contact favors PG's. That's why with the new wave NBA rules, it makes sense to get that dynamic PG.
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Re: The Bulls will regret their decision if they draft Rose over Beasley
[QUOTE=baseketball4life]i agree, Beasley is far better right now, and is less of a gamble. If Rose turns into a Deron Williams (as experts are projecting) than Rose would be better than Beasley, but the odds of that happening are probably 50-50.[/QUOTE]
How could you say a player with more character issues is less of a gamble? that doesn't make any sense. he's got red flags all over the place. anybody who goes to 7 high schools in 4 years has issues.
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Re: The Bulls will regret their decision if they draft Rose over Beasley
[QUOTE=new noise]People are getting it [I]severely[/I] twisted. Beasley won't be putting up 25 and 12 in the NBA the way he did at K-State. The kid dominated on a mediocre college team with no other legitimate stars, and in three or four years people will be all over him for doing nothing besides scoring, ala Carmelo.
Rose carried his team to the NCAA championship game, a few missed FT's away from the win, and made [B]former scrubs like Chris Douglas-Roberts and Joey Dorsey [/B]look like first-round picks in the process.
It's not a contest. Potential franchise point guard vs. potential scoring champ who maybe gets 5 rebounds a game? I'm taking the first one and not looking back.[/QUOTE]
:oldlol: :oldlol:
I can tell you didn't watch college basketball that much. CDR and Dorsey weren't scrubs before Rose came in. They were pretty good, sir.
Nevermind, BFresh already got you there.
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[QUOTE=Da KO King]The only reason there are not as many questions about Derrick Rose is because he'd be a "better fit" with both Chicago and Miami than Mike Beasley. If the situation was reversed the weaknesses in Derrick Rose's game would be pointed out.[/QUOTE]
How do you figure Rose is a better fit for Chicago? Hinrich didn't light it up last year, but he's a better than average NBA PG. Where the Bulls need help is frontcourt scoring from about anywhere--midrange, the high post, the low post. They need one guy who can create his own shot Beasley gives you that.
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[QUOTE=eeeeeebro]. the bulls dont need a point guard they need a scorer. ben gordon is a short midget that can score but when a team wants to shut him down they can. With beasley we will have someone to actualy go to. The bulls do not need Rose that bad what they realy need is to make some trades and get a PG that way.[/QUOTE]
That's the thing players like BG and Deng will realize their potential playing next to Derrick Rose who has insane play making ability and vision. You can't go off of the past with players like Gordon and Deng when you're talking about adding the best PG in the NBA Draft to the mix. It changes everything!
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Re: The Bulls will regret their decision if they draft Rose over Beasley
[QUOTE=Chicago76]How do you figure Rose is a better fit for Chicago? Hinrich didn't light it up last year, but he's a better than average NBA PG. Where the Bulls need help is frontcourt scoring from about anywhere--midrange, the high post, the low post. They need one guy who can create his own shot Beasley gives you that.[/QUOTE]
Beasley's scoring ability will largely depend on matchups. His area of effectiveness will be determined by whether or not the player guarding him is taller or shorter than he is. Rose's responsibilities will not change regardless of opponent.
With a brand new head coach with no coaching experience at all the stability that comes from having a player perform the same job every game is invaluable.
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Re: The Bulls will regret their decision if they draft Rose over Beasley
[QUOTE=Da KO King]Beasley's scoring ability will largely depend on matchups. His area of effectiveness will be determined by whether or not the player guarding him is taller or shorter than he is. Rose's responsibilities will not change regardless of opponent.
With a brand new head coach with no coaching experience at all the stability that comes from having a player perform the same job every game is invaluable.[/QUOTE]
Plus, Chicago already has a potentially great rotation of Small Forwards in:
Deng
Nocioni
Sefolosha
there's no room for another 6 foot 7 player.
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[QUOTE=JPR]Plus, Chicago already has a potentially great rotation of Small Forwards in:
Deng
Nocioni
Sefolosha
there's no room for another 6 foot 7 player.[/QUOTE]
Do I need to explain it again that Michael Beasley is a [B]POWER[/B] Forward?
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[QUOTE=Kiddlovesnets]Do I need to explain it again that Michael Beasley is a [B]POWER[/B] Forward?[/QUOTE]
at 6 foot 7...come on now. He's a tweener. Chicago already has enough of those. It's Rose all day.
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in response to beasley being 19 and why he doesn't have the potential to be great... i am very high on beasley also, if oden durant and beasley all came out at the same time im taking beasley durant then oden in that order, thats how high i am on beasley, which should tell you how high i am on rose, if you were to ask me who im taking in january im sayin beasley all the way, but what rose did in the tournament and watching his growth from the regular season to the tournament vs the likes of msu, texas, ucla, kansas?!? WHAT?!? are you kidding me? the kid was a pro playing against college kids, i thought and still do think dj augustine is a STUD! but what rose did to him and texas was breath taking
back to beasley, he's gonna do 22 and 8 as a rookie, but your getting what you have, lets face it i've seen plenty of kstate games to know beasleys a very good athlete but its not off the charts good like amare, garnett, marion, hell i think tyrus has more athletic ability in terms of raw natural athleticism, beasley plays more with his instinct and iq, which he happened to develop at an earlier age than any of his peers, but in terms of growth i just don't see him being that much better than what he is, he reminds me of bernard king a little bit, bernard was just athletic enough, but he had a good j and had a good feel for the game, thats how beasley plays
roses potential could be a top 3 pg in the league, i just don't see beasley as a top 3 pf in the league, also how many allstar pf's do you see avialable or on the market for trades? compared to allstar pg's? a great proven pg always gets locked up immediately!
bulls are grabbin rose and the only thing they'll regret about it is... not giving beasley enough attention, just to mess wit riley, hey you gotta get a competetive advantage in this league whether its minoot or not, that coulda screwed miamis draft process, just like how riley did to pax with dwade, that was paxs first season as gm and riley just tooled him and schooled him about synthetic deception to gain a competetive advantage... i will never forget about that day of that draft.
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Re: The Bulls will regret their decision if they draft Rose over Beasley
I dont like taking either player as a number 1 really...I would attempt to trade down and dangle Rose over someone who thinks he is better then he is...
I dont think either player is gonna be elite at their position...
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it will be a shame if they dont draft beasley. miami dont even want rose they want mayo and rightfuly he wants to be like kobe but could fall short and be wades best sidekick in years.
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[QUOTE=eeeeeebro]it will be a shame if they dont draft beasley. miami dont even want rose they want mayo and rightfuly he wants to be like kobe but could fall short and be wades best sidekick in years.[/QUOTE]
OJ Mayo has no interest in being Kobe Bryant. Mayo has turned his attention to being a PG at the NBA level and has been modeling his game after Deron Williams.
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[QUOTE=Kiddlovesnets]Do I need to explain it again that Michael Beasley is a [B]POWER[/B] Forward?[/QUOTE]
Dude lineups with small powerforwards are always doomed to fail. Look at the Suns when Marion was a PF, the Magic with 'SHard as a PF, even the Lakers with Odom as a PF. I mean that was one of the main reasons the Celtics won that series, their frontcourt size was just too much for the Lakers. Watch what happens when Bynum comes back and Pau slides to PF and Odom goes to SF. On an ideal team, Beasley is a SF
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Re: The Bulls will regret their decision if they draft Rose over Beasley
[QUOTE=Younggrease]I dont like taking either player as a number 1 really...I would attempt to trade down and dangle Rose over someone who thinks he is better then he is...
I dont think either player is gonna be elite at their position...[/QUOTE]
Yeah that's how I feel too. Not only am I skeptical about each of them as a #1 overall pick, but especially for Chicago who just gave Hinrich an extension, and has a 22 year old Deng. I really think they should try to trade out, and if worst came to worst, I wouldn't blame them for taking OJ Mayo with the first pick. But I'd call around and see if anyone in that 2-10 range wants to offer up a young big with some potential in order to swap places
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Re: The Bulls will regret their decision if they draft Rose over Beasley
Hinrich and Deng are not the kind of player's you make concessions towards. If the guy that Paxson wants plays one of their positions take him. No one on the Bulls is currently better than average.