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Ben Simmons 25 05-14-2019 11:12 PM

The Warriors are so much better at moving the ball without Durant in the lineup
 
It's actually pathetic that people still think Durant is their best player and the best player in the world.

1 on 1 basketball isn't... 5 on 5 basketball. It's a different thing. There are some overlaps, but not that much. Team dynamics are so much more complex than 1 on 1 play, it's hard to even articulate.

People are dumb. Most of you are dumb.

elementally morale 05-14-2019 11:18 PM

Re: The Warriors are so much better at moving the ball without Durant in the lineup
 
I agree with you on this one. But you know that. We are the two people here who are not GSW fans and are saying Curry has been the best player in the NBA the last 3 or 4 years.

Ben Simmons 25 05-14-2019 11:19 PM

Re: The Warriors are so much better at moving the ball without Durant in the lineup
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by elementally morale
I agree with you on this one. But you know that. We are the two people here who are not GSW fans and are saying Curry has been the best player in the NBA the last 3 or 4 years.


Probably the only two that weren't GSW fans long before Durant, it's true, lol.

Cheers.

NBAGOAT 05-14-2019 11:20 PM

Re: The Warriors are so much better at moving the ball without Durant in the lineup
 
as you said. It's mostly people who focus on scoring and mainly iso scoring who thought that about durant. Some people posted how kd was putting up like 60ts% in the playoffs with curry out on great volume and volume went down when curry came in. What they failed to mention is it went up to 70ts% when he was in. the attention he gets just from being on the court helps a lot.

Bronbron23 05-14-2019 11:20 PM

Re: The Warriors are so much better at moving the ball without Durant in the lineup
 
He's easily the best player on the team. The warriors look just as good without him only because the teams there facing arnt defending the screens well. When a team does that's when warriors will need kd and his iso capabilities. Kd with warriors and Kyrie with Celtics are very similar. Theyre both the best players on there teams but neither is really needed until the finals

stalkerforlife 05-14-2019 11:21 PM

Re: The Warriors are so much better at moving the ball without Durant in the lineup
 
Durant is the best ISO player alive.

Curry is the best system alive. Like, an entire system. Everyone eats and a few get catapulted into star status.

Indian guy 05-14-2019 11:21 PM

Re: The Warriors are so much better at moving the ball without Durant in the lineup
 
The whole KD-is-carrying-GS talk from earlier in the playoffs looks so dumb now. GS is still the best team in the league without him. Obviously, better with him, but his presence is just overkill.

Ben Simmons 25 05-14-2019 11:21 PM

Re: The Warriors are so much better at moving the ball without Durant in the lineup
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bronbron23
He's easily the best player on the team. The warriors look just as good without him only because the teams there facing arnt defending the screens well. When a team does that's when warriors will need kd and his iso capabilities. Kd with warriors and Kyrie with Celtics are very similar. Theyre both the best players on there teams but neither is really needed until the finals


No... no he's not "easily the best player on the team."

The NBA isn't a 1 on 1 contest. Eat shit.

Ben Simmons 25 05-14-2019 11:23 PM

Re: The Warriors are so much better at moving the ball without Durant in the lineup
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by stalkerforlife
Durant is the best ISO player alive.


That's probably true. In fact, I'd say it is. But that's not 5 on 5 basketball. The only time a team NEEDS that is when an entire offense has broken down due to nerves or amazing defense on the other side... which those things don't happen THAT often.

DMAVS41 05-14-2019 11:24 PM

Re: The Warriors are so much better at moving the ball without Durant in the lineup
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Indian guy
The whole KD-is-carrying-GS talk from earlier in the playoffs looks so dumb now. GS is still the best team in the league without him. Obviously, better with him, but his presence is just overkill.


This.

KD might be the best player...he might be better than Curry...all reasonable thoughts...etc.

However, we can we all just bury the narrative that KD was "carrying" the Warriors all this time?

Please, can we just all retire that?

They are like 30-1 without KD and with Steph now in the last 31 games. Shit is over...KD stans ****ing lost that argument no matter what happens the rest of the way.

Warriors are a title contending team without him. And he's a ****ing delusional bitch for joining them.

Bronbron23 05-14-2019 11:24 PM

Re: The Warriors are so much better at moving the ball without Durant in the lineup
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ben Simmons 25
No... no he's not "easily the best player on the team."

The NBA isn't a 1 on 1 contest. Eat shit.

Yes he is. The warriors system works fine without him with there movement, screens and shooting capabilities but kd is definitely the best player. They're gonna need him against the bucks. You'll See

1987_Lakers 05-14-2019 11:25 PM

Re: The Warriors are so much better at moving the ball without Durant in the lineup
 
Durant is only needed when they play a dynamic 1-2 punch like LeBron-Kyrie. You saw what Durant-Westbrook did to this team in 2016 as well. Without Durant they move the ball much better, but at the same time they only have Curry that can create his own shot. I believe this became a problem when they played teams like OKC & Cleveland in the past.

The thing is in today's NBA, those teams with a dynamic 1-2 punch don't exist anymore so Durant isn't needed as much.

tpols 05-14-2019 11:26 PM

Re: The Warriors are so much better at moving the ball without Durant in the lineup
 
real shocker mate...

elementally morale 05-14-2019 11:28 PM

Re: The Warriors are so much better at moving the ball without Durant in the lineup
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DMAVS41
This.

KD might be the best player...he might be better than Curry...all reasonable thoughts...etc.


Durant is a better defender and a better 1 on 1 player.

But basketball is 5 on 5. And Curry is a LOT better at that. If you want a team... you select Curry. If you already have a team, go with Durant.

Bronbron23 05-14-2019 11:29 PM

Re: The Warriors are so much better at moving the ball without Durant in the lineup
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DMAVS41
This.

KD might be the best player...he might be better than Curry...all reasonable thoughts...etc.

However, we can we all just bury the narrative that KD was "carrying" the Warriors all this time?

Please, can we just all retire that?

They are like 30-1 without KD and with Steph now in the last 31 games. Shit is over...KD stans ****ing lost that argument no matter what happens the rest of the way.

Warriors are a title contending team without him. And he's a ****ing delusional bitch for joining them.

I'm not a kd fan but how have they lost no matter what happens now? With kd they'd beat the bucks. Without him they'll lose. Beating the rockets with a washed up Chris Paul isn't that impressive. Beating the blazers isn't either


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