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Lin agrees to terms with the Houston Rockets
Sam Amick @sam_amick
Per source, Lin's offer sheet is worth $5 mil in first season, $5.2 in the second, $9.3 in the third and $9.3 in the fourth (team option)
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Sounds fair could very well have been higher.
The fourth year team option will be pretty good for the club.
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[B][COLOR="Red"]Wow I thought this deal was going to be extremely ugly but its within reason.... I have no issue without at this point.[/COLOR][/B]
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Morey threw us a bone for raping us in that T-Mac trade.:lol
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we can resign lin to a deal after the 3rd year if he plays well
if Toronto were smart, they would have done the same in case plans backfired :lol
knicks would have matched that fields contract if there was a team option
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does that mean that its houston or ny for Lin? or could lin be involved in a s+t to a team like dallas or milwaukee or whoever
why would Lin be foolish enough to sign with a team that doesnt think he can play enough to even make their roster last season? shouldnt he see that he is just a pr move for them or does he really believe a coach that didnt want him before will want to help him now?
if ny does let him go to houston does it benifit them at all to do a trade? give the Knicks Motiejunas in a sign and trade and its all good
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I think it was a back door type deal between the GM's.
It's basically a three year deal.
We'll match, 100% assured of that.
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[QUOTE=knickscity]I think it was a back door type deal between the GM's.
It's basically a three year deal.
We'll match, 100% assured of that.[/QUOTE]
So turns out the Rockets may be upping the deal to a 3 yr deal where the third year is 14.9! Thats a lot of dinero :( He would be making more money than Chandler in his third year
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That's one hell of a backload.
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This would normally be the point where I say I told you so but Id rather just ask you guys if youre still as certain about resigning him. Not even trying to sound like a hater. There are point guards that Im actually a bigger fan of that Im not willing to give that money. 15 mil in the deciding year for our "big three". That a whole heap of money for even an established player let alone a guy we cant even definitively say will be a top 10 pg in the league. At the very least, our decision just became less of a no brainer.
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he's the cash cow for ny. he's coming back. I don't even want him.
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rockets changed the deal mfers
they gave him 15 in the 3rd year
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If Lin can average 14/7 in the first two seasons, then he's underpaid in those two.
The backload is Dolan problem, and his money isn't my concern at all.
It would be different if the team wasn't with a high payroll prior to.
But no way Lin doesn't get matched, no need to debate.
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[QUOTE=knickscity]If Lin can average 14/7 in the first two seasons, then he's underpaid in those two.
The backload is Dolan problem, and his money isn't my concern at all.
It would be different if the team wasn't with a high payroll prior to.
But no way Lin doesn't get matched, no need to debate.[/QUOTE]
Everyone knows hes getting matched. The debate is about whether he SHOULD. I would have let him walk regardless but I wasnt totally against the original deal. This new one however is a bit much. I think Houston is just trying to stick it to us now out of spite. Theyre trying to screw us over like Toronto did because they know we will match any deal. We are gonna pay for making decisions based on marketing...ironic.
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Why would the team not match? Not matching doesn't free up any money.
They very well could have negotiated a smaller deal, but chose to allow lin to set his price.
Nothing but a formality imo.
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not my money anyway...dolan rakes in more than enough cash to cover taxes...
just hate the rockets for ****ing with us
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All the teams know the knicks organization is soft as hell, we are always gonna be taking advantage of. Always giving away our first round picks for second round players, overpaying for middle of the road players, no bs alot of guys on this forum ideas are alot better than anything the fo does.
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Why do I get the feeling we will still bring Lin back? Felton is only making 10 mil over three years...which is only a mil over what Kidd makes.
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Im starting to get the same feeling, this dumbass organization is pathetic. The contract started with 4 yrs 25 million, with a big increase in the last yr. Now the rockets get grimey by shortening the years with the same amount of dough!!!! Also in the last year the rockets pay 8 million, while the knicks have to pay 15 million.
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[QUOTE=percelloveknicks]Im starting to get the same feeling, this dumbass organization is pathetic. The contract started with 4 yrs 25 million, with a big increase in the last yr. Now the rockets get grimey by shortening the years with the same amount of dough!!!! Also in the last year the rockets pay 8 million, while the knicks have to pay 15 million.[/QUOTE]
Yea, I heard about that. How does that work? You have any literature explaining it? It'd be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
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[QUOTE=franchize]Yea, I heard about that. How does that work? You have any literature explaining it? It'd be greatly appreciated. Thanks.[/QUOTE] nah man im sorry, i got the info from tweets from frank isola and mark berman from the post.
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[QUOTE=percelloveknicks]nah man im sorry, i got the info from tweets from frank isola and mark berman from the post.[/QUOTE]
Its all good. Ill do some research n see what I can find.I
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[B][COLOR="Red"]sayonarra to lin.
Lin and Houston did nothing wrong IMHO. its a business and the Knicks took a risk by allowing Lin to find his market value.
I am highly supportive of athletes getting there money. if the knicks dont want to pay thats there problem.[/COLOR][/B]
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[B][COLOR="Red"]The original offer was 9 mill with a team option but they upped the offer to 14 mill the 3rd year to put the Knicks in luxury tax hell.[/COLOR][/B]
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good luck houston, enjoy linsanity (dolan should have trademark that to the knicks)
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[QUOTE=Rameek][B][COLOR="Red"]sayonarra to lin.
Lin and Houston did nothing wrong IMHO. its a business and the Knicks took a risk by allowing Lin to find his market value.
I am highly supportive of athletes getting there money. if the knicks dont want to pay thats there problem.[/COLOR][/B][/QUOTE]
I agree. Lin chose to take the wiser business decision over familiarity. I can't blame him for that. At the same time, there are a lot of ignorant Knicks fans that will blame Dolan and the Knicks front office for not matching...when essentially they did the same thing. Lin going to Houston is the best decision financially in his opinion. Us not matching was the best business decision also. No love lost here. I enjoyed him as a Knick while he was here and I'm happy he brought excitement to the Garden and NYC. I wish the kid good luck. He's certainly gonna need it. He has to face Paul, Nash, Westbrook, Parker, Lawson, Rubio and Curry 4 times each.
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[B][COLOR="Red"]I like him and i really wish other knick players had his work ethic. You can bash him on the way out not me he's a winner. Now he's getting paid. I thought he was a good match with Melo especially with Stat not being a contributor most nights. He could have been that robin to his batman.
lin h8terz better pray felton comes to play mentally and physically.[/COLOR][/B]
[QUOTE=franchize]I agree. Lin chose to take the wiser business decision over familiarity. I can't blame him for that. At the same time, there are a lot of ignorant Knicks fans that will blame Dolan and the Knicks front office for not matching...when essentially they did the same thing. Lin going to Houston is the best decision financially in his opinion. Us not matching was the best business decision also. No love lost here. I enjoyed him as a Knick while he was here and I'm happy he brought excitement to the Garden and NYC. I wish the kid good luck. He's certainly gonna need it. He has to face Paul, Nash, Westbrook, Parker, Lawson, Rubio and Curry 4 times each.[/QUOTE]
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NY Post:
Just four days ago, Woodson gushed that the Knicks would
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[B][COLOR="Red"]Doesnt matter what the luxury tax hit would be. I rather make a play for CP3 next season or someone like of that ilk. At least go in the luxury tax zone for an established star and not potential. I do believe he will turn out to be a top 3rd PG but not after 26 games.
I am a big supporter of giving Lin a chance but he isnt worth it. [/COLOR][/B]
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[QUOTE=Rameek]Doesnt matter what the luxury tax hit would be. I rather make a play for CP3 next season or someone like of that ilk. At least go in the luxury tax zone for an established star and not potential. [B]I do believe he will turn out to be a top 3rd PG but not after 26 games[/B].
I am a big supporter of giving Lin a chance but he isnt worth it.[/QUOTE]
So you think Jeremy Lin will be a top 10 PG in the NBA?
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You could possibly use Lin to trade to LA. I am sure Sterling would love the money Lin brings to the team.
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[QUOTE=Rameek][B][COLOR="Red"]I like him and i really wish other knick players had his work ethic. You can bash him on the way out not me he's a winner. Now he's getting paid. I thought he was a good match with Melo especially with Stat not being a contributor most nights. He could have been that robin to his batman.
lin h8terz better pray felton comes to play mentally and physically.[/COLOR][/B][/QUOTE]
Wait...how did I bash him?
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[QUOTE=Sarcastic]You could possibly use Lin to trade to LA. I am sure Sterling would love the money Lin brings to the team.[/QUOTE]
I was thinking the same thing. CP3 and Jordan for Lin and Chandler or something along those lines
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[QUOTE=franchize]Wait...how did I bash him?[/QUOTE]
I dont think he meant you specifically...
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[B][COLOR="Red"]i changed my mind. i have been debating this but i say sign him see what we got and then later we can trade him to houston or toronto.[/COLOR][/B]
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[QUOTE=Da KO King]So you think Jeremy Lin will be a top 10 PG in the NBA?[/QUOTE]
[B][COLOR="Red"]yes i think he will be in the top 3rd in the league. his shortcomings can be cured with work ethic and development and experience. the kid is 23 with a great mind. i do believe he got a big head though.
why cant he be a scoring pg? i know woodson doesnt like it or him. but at the end of the day what was the knicks problem last year they had no scoring option after melo. the kid scores meaningful baskets and ft's.
so what his defense isnt great he could be a good team defender. there are only a handful of starting pg's that are considered good defenders.[/COLOR][/B]
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[QUOTE=Rameek]yes i think he will be in the top 3rd in the league. his shortcomings can be cured with work ethic and development and experience. the kid is 23 with a great mind. i do believe he got a big head though.[/QUOTE]
I can't agree with that and that's why I think the contract he was offered is crazy.
Barring new injuries, poor rehab from current injuries or unforeseen legal situations I think we can definitely expect the following will all be better than Lin heading into Lin's big money year: [I]Derrick Rose, Russell Westbrook, Chris Paul, Deron Williams, Rajon Rondo, Steve Nash, Tony Parker, Kyrie Irving.
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With the same exceptions as above I don't think it's absurd to find that the following are also better in two years: [I]Kyle Lowry, Darren Collison, Ricky Rubio, Jrue Holiday.[/I]
That's not including prospects currently on the radar like CJ McCollum or Phil Pressey.
Until I start getting checks from the organization the marketing opportunities a player bring to the table mean absolutely nothing to me. When you can reasonably expect 12 guys at the same position will be better than a guy making $15 million then that guy shouldn't get $15 million.
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The pg position is being manned by mostly converted sg's.
So stating top 10 isn't saying much.
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I wanted Lin traded at peak of linsanity or thought he could be traded this offseason, but even with that contract which would kill trade value there is no way not to bring him back now. I think Shumpert is more important long term but why give Lin away? Money is supposed to be no object for the Knicks.
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[QUOTE=Rameek][B][COLOR="Red"]i changed my mind. i have been debating this but i say sign him see what we got and then later we can trade him to houston or toronto.[/COLOR][/B][/QUOTE]
Everyone keeps saying this but if he's proven to be a bust, who's going to want him. Sure his 15 mil is a expiring contract, but that's 3 years away.
I just don't get how everyone is always preaching cap space. We praised Walsh because he cleared all this cap but when it comes to Lin, money doesn't matter. If that's the case, why not bring back Landry? Sure he's overpaid and sure he was only a flash in the pan in a D'Antoni, stat padding system, but isn't Lin essentially the same thing? Is Lin better than Landry? Absolutely. But it's not much different.
Bottom line is, if a guy isn't definitively better than Raymond Felton, he should not be getting this contract. If a guy gets busted up whenever he faces elite point guards, he sould not be getting this contract. If a guy needs a mentor to play PG, he should not be getting this contract. Period! I know basketball is a business. But why all of a sudden does everyone care about James Dolan making money. You want him to make extra money, go to more games!
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[B][COLOR="Red"]Bro after last season Telfair was better than Felton. Felton has a lot of sh!t to prove. Dude was a complete unprofessional bust.
I was thinking of selling him after the 2nd year. As an expirer but I am really just curious how he would perform this season with a camp.
Remember the Knicks are over the cap already or damn near close.
Lin is not worth the contract though.[/COLOR][/B]
[QUOTE=franchize]Everyone keeps saying this but if he's proven to be a bust, who's going to want him. Sure his 15 mil is a expiring contract, but that's 3 years away.
I just don't get how everyone is always preaching cap space. We praised Walsh because he cleared all this cap but when it comes to Lin, money doesn't matter. If that's the case, why not bring back Landry? Sure he's overpaid and sure he was only a flash in the pan in a D'Antoni, stat padding system, but isn't Lin essentially the same thing? Is Lin better than Landry? Absolutely. But it's not much different.
Bottom line is, if a guy isn't definitively better than Raymond Felton, he should not be getting this contract. If a guy gets busted up whenever he faces elite point guards, he sould not be getting this contract. If a guy needs a mentor to play PG, he should not be getting this contract. Period! I know basketball is a business. But why all of a sudden does everyone care about James Dolan making money. You want him to make extra money, go to more games![/QUOTE]