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bokes15 01-11-2009 12:24 PM

I told you guys... this is more or less our team for the rest of the year...
 
...barring a miracle trade of course:

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... Toronto's Bryan Colangelo has been shopping Jermaine O'Neal and his contract ($21 million this year, $23 next) with no takers so far.

This was on the insidehoops front page and it's exactly what i expected. That BC is actively trying to get rid of JO, but nobody is gonna want him, especially not this season and for the amount of money he's making. Therefore we might see a marginal trade or two but nothing of major significance and we just have to hope that we somehow can make up for all of our deficiencies with exactly who we have now as so many of you seem to think we can.

bonez26 01-11-2009 12:37 PM

Re: I told you guys... this is more or less our team for the rest of the year...
 
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Originally Posted by bokes15
...barring a miracle trade of course:



This was on the insidehoops front page and it's exactly what i expected. That BC is actively trying to get rid of JO, but nobody is gonna want him, especially not this season and for the amount of money he's making. Therefore we might see a marginal trade or two but nothing of major significance and we just have to hope that we somehow can make up for all of our deficiencies with exactly who we have now as so many of you seem to think we can.



That's all finr and good but JO is not the only thing we have to trade. I think there's gonna be a trade and it's gonna be more than marginal b/c we need someone to plug the hole at the wing. It's IMO gonna be some combo of Parker, Kapono our 1st this year or in a coming year, humps and Graham. Something is gonna give by the deadline as people get closer to the deadline. You Never know who's gonna end up here. I've heard Butler, Nocioni, Howard (as much as people think it's dead you never know with Cuban), GS the team (lol) and others. There for sure will be a trade by deadline the pieces now are just different as Bargnani is finally starting to realize some of that potential. Let's hope he can keep it up

bokes15 01-11-2009 12:40 PM

Re: I told you guys... this is more or less our team for the rest of the year...
 
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Originally Posted by bonez26
That's all finr and good but JO is not the only thing we have to trade. I think there's gonna be a trade and it's gonna be more than marginal b/c we need someone to plug the hole at the wing. It's IMO gonna be some combo of Parker, Kapono our 1st this year or in a coming year, humps and Graham. Something is gonna give by the deadline as people get closer to the deadline. You Never know who's gonna end up here. I've heard Butler, Nocioni, Howard (as much as people think it's dead you never know with Cuban), GS the team (lol) and others. There for sure will be a trade by deadline the pieces now are just different as Bargnani is finally starting to realize some of that potential. Let's hope he can keep it up

Cuban may not be a fan of J-Ho but I highly doubt that he'd give him up for anything on our team outside of a core player. And we also have nothing to offer Washington. Nocioni is a legit possibility and certainly an upgrade but not necessarily a solution to our problem.

ejeezy 01-11-2009 12:41 PM

Re: I told you guys... this is more or less our team for the rest of the year...
 
Its fine, Bargnani will be starting at the C now for a bit, let that spark a flame under JO. He'll be better, we just need to start resting him from game to game sometimes. We'll be fine.

bokes15 01-11-2009 12:43 PM

Re: I told you guys... this is more or less our team for the rest of the year...
 
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Originally Posted by ejeezy
Its fine, Bargnani will be starting at the C now for a bit, let that spark a flame under JO. He'll be better, we just need to start resting him from game to game sometimes. We'll be fine.

What i'm getting at is that no matter how well Bargnani or Bosh or JO plays, we still have horrible wings and it's gonna come back to bite us come playoff time (if we make it).

bonez26 01-11-2009 12:46 PM

Re: I told you guys... this is more or less our team for the rest of the year...
 
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Originally Posted by bokes15
Cuban may not be a fan of J-Ho but I highly doubt that he'd give him up for anything on our team outside of a core player. And we also have nothing to offer Washington. Nocioni is a legit possibility and certainly an upgrade but not necessarily a solution to our problem.


Well they were quoted this morning on ESPN saying that they need a wing scorer and or Low post presence. Some combo or Kapono Parker and our first or Jo Cash and a first I think could certainly pry him away from the Mavs. Also considering he is a rental and they can get something for him next year and his huge expiring salary.

bokes15 01-11-2009 12:47 PM

Re: I told you guys... this is more or less our team for the rest of the year...
 
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Originally Posted by bonez26
Well they were quoted this morning on ESPN saying that they need a wing scorer and or Low post presence. Some combo or Kapono Parker and our first or Jo Cash and a first I think could certainly pry him away from the Mavs. Also considering he is a rental and they can get something for him next year and his huge expiring salary.

I think that's just wishful thinking on your part.

edit: plus, JO is making 21 mill to CB's 9.5mill, so they'd have to add 12 mill more in salary just to make that happen.

and they have plenty of spot up shooters. There's a difference between wing "scorer's" and wing "shooter's."

Toni 01-11-2009 12:50 PM

Re: I told you guys... this is more or less our team for the rest of the year...
 
That's why we're one of those teams that usually gets bounced 4-1 in the first round. Our team does not have the makeup of a legit contender and we won't have a contender until we rid ourselves of some bad contracts (JO, Kapono). Those two players are not a huge part of our team and will command nearly 30M next season, which is half of our payroll. I see brighter days ahead if we trade JO or when his contract expires in 2010 (If Bosh doesn't leave). We are one of the many teams that have a HUGE amount of cap space that year. It will be exciting!

bonez26 01-11-2009 01:05 PM

Re: I told you guys... this is more or less our team for the rest of the year...
 
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Originally Posted by bokes15
I think that's just wishful thinking on your part.

edit: plus, JO is making 21 mill to CB's 9.5mill, so they'd have to add 12 mill more in salary just to make that happen.

and they have plenty of spot up shooters. There's a difference between wing "scorer's" and wing "shooter's."



Here's a link. That' the Raps still pushing for Howard. What to trade they don't say but.
So they'd have to put in 12 mil they were gonna spend that 12 mil anyway this year on JO. It's not like were making a salaray cap move it's to get a good wing player in and it would come of the cap next year anyways for the Mavs. We definitely don't want a bad contract back.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/dailyd...dime-090110-11

Take what you will from it that I think it means the Raps are still after him IMO

bokes15 01-11-2009 01:23 PM

Re: I told you guys... this is more or less our team for the rest of the year...
 
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Originally Posted by bonez26
Here's a link. That' the Raps still pushing for Howard. What to trade they don't say but.
So they'd have to put in 12 mil they were gonna spend that 12 mil anyway this year on JO. It's not like were making a salaray cap move it's to get a good wing player in and it would come of the cap next year anyways for the Mavs. We definitely don't want a bad contract back.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/dailyd...dime-090110-11

Take what you will from it that I think it means the Raps are still after him IMO

We're interested in a lot of players, that doesn't mean we have a legit shot at them. We already know that BC is giving ridiculous offers like Jason Kapono for JR Smith so i'm guessing most of the offers sans Bosh, Bargnani, Calderon are laughers.

SESSEL15 01-11-2009 01:24 PM

Re: I told you guys... this is more or less our team for the rest of the year...
 
O'neal's contract is putting a huge strangle-hold on this franchise. I know patience is needed with this team because once that contract is gone Toronto can make some moves. But if patience is for 2010, I don't want to wait that long.

jrcp3 01-11-2009 01:26 PM

Re: I told you guys... this is more or less our team for the rest of the year...
 
Last time i checked we did just sign Jermaine O'Neil .......

Now Colangelo is trying to move him ........

Ridiculous :applause:

SESSEL15 01-11-2009 01:30 PM

Re: I told you guys... this is more or less our team for the rest of the year...
 
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Originally Posted by jrcp3
Last time i checked we did just sign Jermaine O'Neil .......

Now Colangelo is trying to move him ........

Ridiculous :applause:


We traded for him, we didn't sign him.

If B.C. signed O'neal to a 20 mill contract himself I would move cities.

bokes15 01-11-2009 01:31 PM

Re: I told you guys... this is more or less our team for the rest of the year...
 
People are just excusing this move as "he was just taking a chance" rather than just saying it was a bonehead idea. His vision was waaaayyyy off. All that talk about JO at the 5 and Bargs at the 3 went out the window real fast. And the thing is, JO has been good for us when he played so when (not if, most likely when) we aren't able to move him he's gonna feel betrayed by the man who promised him a significant role on this team and I can see that causing more problems for our team.

SESSEL15 01-11-2009 01:36 PM

Re: I told you guys... this is more or less our team for the rest of the year...
 
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Originally Posted by bokes15
People are just excusing this move as "he was just taking a chance" rather than just saying it was a bonehead idea. His vision was waaaayyyy off. All that talk about JO at the 5 and Bargs at the 3 went out the window real fast. And the thing is, JO has been good for us when he played so when (not if, most likely when) we aren't able to move him he's gonna feel betrayed by the man who promised him a significant role on this team and I can see that causing more problems for our team.



I agree with you completely. B.C.'s vision was extremely off. I'm just glad that he has realized his mistake and is trying to correct it. I never want to see Bargnani at the 3 spot ever again.


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