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in this system he is just raja bell. It won't change much. Kobe will shot a bad percentage because Nash will just feed him for bailout shots.
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Depends on how well he plays, same as if Phil were coaching.
No matter what the system, you can guarantee that kobe will be getting his. Even in D'Antoni system that will focus alot of direction through the point guard Steve Nash, I can see problems where Kobe will want to be involved alot more than just a spot up shooter. This will only work if Kobe is prepared to sit back and let the ball come to him, whether he accepts that I really dont know. :confusedshrug:
The real question is, how does carrying old players in an "unwinnable" system change D12's legacy?
with an unwinnable roster to boot
[QUOTE=NumberSix]The real question is, how does carrying old players in an "unwinnable" system change D12's legacy?[/QUOTE]
Needs to play defense before he starts thinking about legacy and such.
[QUOTE=Rubio2Gasol]Needs to play defense before he starts thinking about legacy and such.[/QUOTE]
Dwight is already sick of bailing out the Lakers perimeter players on defense.
[QUOTE=IGOTGAME]in this system he is just raja bell. It won't change much. Kobe will shot a bad percentage because Nash will just feed him for bailout shots.[/QUOTE]
:facepalm
Kobe was still a top 5 player in his 16th season.. I think the guy will be able to adjust to whatever is thrown at him.
[QUOTE=NumberSix]The real question is, how does carrying old players in an "unwinnable" system change D12's legacy?[/QUOTE]
The real question is, why do you constantly post in Laker related topics just to troll?
Answer: ATTENTION WHORE.
[QUOTE=TheMarkMadsen]:facepalm
Kobe was still a top 5 player in his 16th season.. I think the guy will be able to adjust to whatever is thrown at him.[/QUOTE]
Hmm, it won't be easy for Kobe to adjust. First, he has to let Nash be in full control of the offense. Second of all, Kobe will need to accept that he will be mainly used as a jump shooter, and not the go to guy on offense. And thirdly, this offense will focus alot of plays on the P'n'R, which means that Kobe will have to accept that both Howard and Gasol will be a focal point of Nash's passes.
[QUOTE=poido123]Hmm, it won't be easy for Kobe to adjust. First, he has to let Nash be in full control of the offense. Second of all, Kobe will need to accept that he will be mainly used as a jump shooter, and not the go to guy on offense. And thirdly, this offense will focus alot of plays on the P'n'R, which means that Kobe will have to accept that both Howard and Gasol will be a focal point of Nash's passes.[/QUOTE]
if thats how the offense will look might as well trade kobe for a better shooter.
ray allen for kobe. :applause:
[QUOTE=IGOTGAME]in this system he is just raja bell. It won't change much. Kobe will shot a bad percentage because Nash will just feed him for bailout shots.[/QUOTE]
In what world could you think our current players, such as a top 5 player (Kobe Bryant) would change their roles to a past team's starting 5 inferior to theirs, never won more than two games in the 3 Western Conference Finals they went to (in 7 years) and Don't even have the same kind of Steve Nash any more?
[QUOTE=Rysio]if thats how the offense will look might as well trade kobe for a better shooter.
ray allen for kobe. :applause:[/QUOTE]
First of all, Kobe is not getting traded.
To cut it short, he is the franchise player, and brings in a ton of revenue and has the authority to do or ask for almost anything he pleases.
Kobe has to take a backseat. That's how i see it.
[QUOTE=TheeBeast]In what world could you think our current players, such as a top 5 player (Kobe Bryant) would change their roles to a past team's starting 5 inferior to theirs, never won more than two games in the 3 Western Conference Finals they went to (in 7 years) and Don't even have the same kind of Steve Nash any more?[/QUOTE]
in mike dantoni's world.
Kobe isn't winning any more championships.
[QUOTE=TheeBeast]In what world could you think our current players, such as a top 5 player (Kobe Bryant) would change their roles to a past team's starting 5 inferior to theirs, never won more than two games in the 3 Western Conference Finals they went to (in 7 years) and Don't even have the same kind of Steve Nash any more?[/QUOTE]
First of all, this is an entirely new situation where Nash has all the pieces around him to win the title. He went close a few times with the suns with inferior talent to this current team, so to say that Nash's/Dantoni's way doesn't work is foolish.
Second of all, Nash for most of his career hasnt had near the talent Kobe has had around him, so your really comparing oranges to apples.
[QUOTE=poido123]First of all, this is an entirely new situation where Nash has all the pieces around him to win the title. He went close a few times with the suns with inferior talent to this current team, so to say that Nash's/Dantoni's way doesn't work is foolish.
Second of all, Nash for most of his career hasnt had near the talent Kobe has had around him, so your really comparing oranges to apples.[/QUOTE]
I think one thing people aren't considering is that the Nash and Kobe styles could co-exist, and I have faith it will. It would make them that much more deadly and something the league has never seen before.
I don't think bad of Steve, I just feel this is still a team led by Kobe. They both have almost equal work ethic and its something real special to have two of the greatest leaders of all time in our back court. If only they could both thrive off each other, which is why I feel the Lakers FO hired D'antoni over PJ. Nash just simply won't thrive in the triangle.
Kobe isn't taking a back seat though. This team could have the PHX record and at the same time the Kobe- led playoffs record :applause:
[QUOTE=TheeBeast]I think one thing people aren't considering is that the Nash and Kobe styles could co-exist, and I have faith it will. It would make them that much more deadly and something the league has never seen before.
I don't think bad of Steve, I just feel this is still a team led by Kobe. They both have almost equal work ethic and its something real special to have two of the greatest leaders of all time in our back court. If only they could both thrive off each other, which is why I feel the Lakers FO hired D'antoni over PJ. Nash just simply won't thrive in the triangle.
Kobe isn't taking a back seat though. This team could have the PHX record and at the same time the Kobe- led playoffs record :applause:[/QUOTE]
Dude, your sounding like a Kobe stan. Why won't you just accept that Kobe isn't needed like he has been for the last decade? Times change, personnel change, systems change. They have to co-exist, but that can only be done by Nash dominating the ball, that's what your failing to understand. Kobe also won't be the focus on offense, Howard and Gasol will be, with the kickouts and jumpers going to the shooters, which will be the likes of Meeks, Jamison, Blake and Kobe. Get used to it.
[QUOTE=poido123]Dude, your sounding like a Kobe stan. Why won't you just accept that Kobe isn't needed like he has been for the last decade? Times change, personnel change, systems change. They have to co-exist, but that can only be done by Nash dominating the ball, that's what your failing to understand. Kobe also won't be the focus on offense, Howard and Gasol will be, with the kickouts and jumpers going to the shooters, which will be the likes of Meeks, Jamison, Blake and Kobe. Get used to it.[/QUOTE]
I could agree with this. I'll admit, any time Kobe isn't being the most ball dominant is probably a game that they're winning. Kobe plays off the ball better than any player in the league. And he still puts in the same energy as if he has the ball
This combination could be lethal
I wonder when they will start trading people. This team won't look the same after the trading deadline.
[QUOTE=TheMarkMadsen]The real question is, why do you constantly post in Laker related topics just to troll?
Answer: ATTENTION WHORE.[/QUOTE]
Probably because I've been a lakers fan since I was 13 in 1996
[QUOTE=IGOTGAME]I wonder when they will start trading people. This team won't look the same after the trading deadline.[/QUOTE]
Im guessing D'Antoni will be asking for more shooters? And obviously any improvement to the bench will be of focus. Id say they will be looking for some youth and athleticism to go along with good shooting.
[QUOTE=NumberSix]Probably because I've been a lakers fan since I was 13 in 1996[/QUOTE]
So you're a 29 year old dumbass now?
[QUOTE=Deuce Bigalow]So you're a 29 year old dumbass now?[/QUOTE]
Sure. Why not.
[QUOTE=poido123]Im guessing D'Antoni will be asking for more shooters? And obviously any improvement to the bench will be of focus. Id say they will be looking for some youth and athleticism to go along with good shooting.[/QUOTE]
I'm sure mike brown would have liked that too....
It depends on how he plays. If he wins the FMVP's then it changes a lot, if not then it doesn't change much at all.
[QUOTE=poido123]First of all, Kobe is not getting traded.
To cut it short, he is the franchise player, and brings in a ton of revenue and has the authority to do or ask for almost anything he pleases.
Kobe has to take a backseat. That's how i see it.[/QUOTE]
One of the greatest players of all time taking a backseat lol this makes no sense :lol
Considering Dwight's clearly and by far their best defender, with no coached defensive system, he will basically be their defensive system. If anything, it will be his legacy that gets the biggest boost because of that.
People acting like Mike D doesn't realize Kobe is one of the greatest offensive players in NBA history... he will tweak his system and Kobe isn't going to be a Raja Bell
[QUOTE=christian1923]One of the greatest players of all time taking a backseat lol this makes no sense :lol[/QUOTE]
By backseat, I mean kobe wont be dominating the ball, or posting up as the go to guy anywhere near as much as he's used to. He may be forced into being more of a jumpshooter and letting Nash work his magic.
[QUOTE=poido123]Dude, your sounding like a Kobe stan. Why won't you just accept that Kobe isn't needed like he has been for the last decade? Times change, personnel change, systems change. They have to co-exist, but that can only be done by Nash dominating the ball, that's what your failing to understand. Kobe also won't be the focus on offense, Howard and Gasol will be, with the kickouts and jumpers going to the shooters, which will be the likes of Meeks, Jamison, Blake and Kobe. Get used to it.[/QUOTE]
We'll see but I think that's naive. But once he scores like 25 points it probably doesn't matter much to him.
All in all I wouldn't mind if I'm a Laker fan Kobe will get some rest, be ready for the playoffs where this particular method is not going to have the same degree of success
If he doesnt get to post up D Antoni should get fired basically.do it when Nash is out or something, but just do it.
It doesn't matter Kobe can only win with the most stacked roster in the league and hall of fame coach Mike D'Antoni :rolleyes:
Nothing will change.. He's already the GOAT..
[QUOTE=poido123]By backseat, I mean kobe wont be dominating the ball, or posting up as the go to guy anywhere near as much as he's used to. He may be forced into being more of a jumpshooter and letting Nash work his magic.[/QUOTE]
D'antoni should not be doing this.
It will be like Phoenix all over again except we are the Lakers and have one of the greatest offensive players in history.
He better scratch that run and gun and just feed the Mamba in the post and let him do his thing.
[QUOTE=NumberSix]Probably because I've been a lakers fan since I was 13 in 1996[/QUOTE]
But then you jumped off the bandwagon and followed Shaq
[QUOTE=chazzy]But then you jumped off the bandwagon and followed Shaq[/QUOTE]
Oh god, did he really?
:roll: :roll:
:rolleyes: :facepalm
[QUOTE=9erempiree]D'antoni should not be doing this.
It will be like Phoenix all over again except we are the Lakers and have one of the greatest offensive players in history.
He better scratch that run and gun and just feed the Mamba in the post and let him do his thing.[/QUOTE]
Lakers have two of the best offensive players in history.
Just because the system was "unwinnable" in Phoenix doesn't necessarily mean it's an "unwinnable" system. I'm not sure this roster is the best make-up for D'Antoni's system, but it's the most talent his system will have ever had; granted, some of those Suns teams were talented and deep.
But since OP is a Kobe fanboy, and this thread was obviously started with an agenda, Kobe winning a ring this year (even in this "unwinnable system") wouldn't change much unless he was the clear-cut best player in the playoffs. If Dwight is clearly the most important and impactful player during the playoff run, then Kobe's legacy doesn't change a whole lot. Maybe he can make a etter argument for being over someone like Bird, Wilt, or whoever you have at #5 and #6 on your list.
If he has a "turn back the clock" type playoff run ala 2008-2010, he can definitely jump up into top-5 all-time discussion. Not top-3 in my opinion, but he definitely works his way into that Jordan-Russell-Magic-Kareem-Wilt-Bird group.
The caveat "unwinnable system" is just silly. Every system is "unwinnable" until it wins. And every system is heavily dependent on talent.