How is Bird #9 when he won 3 MVP's in a row in the stacked mid 80's while having practically Wizards' Jordan athleticism? If anything, if pure skills are concerned I see no reason why he shouldn't be #1.
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How is Bird #9 when he won 3 MVP's in a row in the stacked mid 80's while having practically Wizards' Jordan athleticism? If anything, if pure skills are concerned I see no reason why he shouldn't be #1.
"[I]Wade and Lebron > Bird and Kyrie[/I]"
You're ranking the MOST SKILLED of all time...?
:oldlol:
1) Jordan/Kobe/Bird
4) Kyrie
5) Durant/CP
[QUOTE=kuniva_dAMiGhTy]"[I]Wade and Lebron > Bird and Kyrie[/I]"
You're ranking the MOST SKILLED of all time...?
:oldlol:
1) Jordan/Kobe/Bird
4) Kyrie
5) Durant/CP[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't put MJ #1 on the most skilled all-time list. Kobe and Bird would certainly be up there but it'd be a list heavily dominated by PGs. People underrate the depth of the talent pool for that position and the skill needed to set yourself apart.
[QUOTE=FKAri]I wouldn't put MJ #1 on the most skilled all-time list. Kobe and Bird would certainly be up there but it'd be a list heavily dominated by PGs. People underrate the depth of the talent pool for that position and the skill needed to set yourself apart.[/QUOTE]
PGs definitely fill out most of the top 15-20.
Agree to disagree on Jordan though.
If we're including defense and pure fundamentals? He's got an argument for first. There's no gap between him and second like the OP mentioned though.
[QUOTE=kuniva_dAMiGhTy]PGs definitely fill out most of the top 15-20.
Agree to disagree on Jordan though.
If we're including defense and pure fundamentals? He's got an argument for first. There's no gap between him and second like the OP mentioned though.[/QUOTE]
Give MJ the athletic tools of ____ and MJ would still be better? For a lot of players, sure. But there'd be a few for whom I'd say no. Kobe and Bird being two of several.
How is Jordan more skilled than Curry and CP3 lol he can't even shoot 3s and his handles are no where near as good
1. CP3
2. Curry
3. Nash
4. Kyrie
5. Maravich
6. Magic
7. KD
8. LeBron
9. Harden
10. Kobe
[QUOTE=72-10]My attempt to rank skill
I might do a most skilled centers list later
1. Michael Jordan
2. Kobe Bryant
3. Allen Iverson
4. Stephen Curry
5. Kevin Durant
6. Dwyane Wade
7. Chris Paul
8. LeBron James
9. Larry Bird
10. Ray Allen
11. Dirk Nowitzki
12. George Gervin
13. Reggie Miller
14. Jerry West
15. Julius Erving
16. Kyrie Irving
17. Magic Johnson
18. Pete Maravich
19. Oscar Robertson
20. Steve Nash
21. Clyde Drexler[/QUOTE]
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Oddly you don't even have the man in your avi on there.
No TMac who was better than most on that list. No Hill who again, is more skilled than most in that list. You didn't include the man that thought Kobe and Bron how to play the post... Hakeem.
It's sad to see how underrated KG continues to be. The man could do it ALL. He had a great post game, could handle the pill, could pass, could shoot from almost anywhere inside the 3 pt line, had great footwork, etc.
No Pierce?
No James Worthy?
I think there's too much emphasis on the 3pt shot today and less on other aspects of the game. I can't think of a player today that could do what Worthy did back then. Exceptional footwork, lightning fast 1st step and spin, could pass, could shoot, etc.
Big men are also undervalued for their skills.
Where's Barkley??? he could do EVERYTHING.
Where's Danny Manning? Yeah I said it. He wasn't flashy but was great at mostly everything.
No Duncan?? He has multiple rings and MVPs he must've been skilled?
Again, this list is 3pt and perimeter biased.
Older heads would include Aguirre, King, some will even say Shrempf, Chambers, older heads would start naming Oscar is too low. How can one average a triple double if he wasn't skilled??
The definition of ball handling has changed, but honestly 90% of in game ball handling hasn't changed much since the 80s (perhaps late 70s). Not every dribble Kyrie or CP3 make is an AND1 clip.
[QUOTE=Manny98]
How is Jordan more skilled than Curry and CP3 lol he can't even shoot 3s [B][COLOR="DarkRed"]and his handles are no where near as good[/COLOR][/B]
1. CP3
2. Curry
3. Nash
4. Kyrie
5. Maravich
6. Magic
7. KD
8. LeBron
9. Harden
10. Kobe[/QUOTE]
MJ's handles were better because he navigated defenders at a goat level without needing curry's and1 repertoire..
Case in point:
[Img]https://i.makeagif.com/media/8-08-2015/KkEbDN.gif[/img]
Notice how his crossover dribble to split the defenders is his last dribble
Now, there isn't a player in the history of the game that can split the double from that distance and take off a 2-foot vertical at the rim, without taking another dribble, or at least not as nonchalantly - that is ultra-elite handle [I][COLOR="Navy"]and footwork[/COLOR][/I], far superior to anything curry is capable of
Here's another one, this time with what I call, the "jordan hop step".. you won't see it anywhere:
[Img]https://i.makeagif.com/media/9-03-2015/GD88B1.gif[/img]
One more with 2 hands vs pacers in 87':
[url]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PnL61LgKHGk&t=0m13s[/url]
I don't see harden or anyone doing that
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What is skilled? Scoring, assisting, rebounding and playmaking? Or fancy handles?
[QUOTE=Nash]What is skilled? Scoring, assisting, rebounding and playmaking? Or fancy handles?[/QUOTE]
All of these things combined, extra points if you are bigger as it's harder to coordinate bigger body. So no #1 all-time is Arvydas Sabonis.
[QUOTE=Manny98]How is Jordan more skilled than Curry and CP3 lol he can't even shoot 3s and his handles are no where near as good
1. CP3
2. Curry
3. Nash
4. Kyrie
5. Maravich
6. Magic
7. KD
8. LeBron
9. Harden
10. Kobe[/QUOTE]
Let me guess you're about 15-20, and the most your attention span could handle was a 5-10 minute highlight of him?
Or are you more intelligent than that and you're just trying to trigger 3ball?
[QUOTE=Phoenix]Bird at #9? :coleman:[/QUOTE]
Lebron is #8???
So funny
[QUOTE=Psileas]How is Bird #9 when he won 3 MVP's in a row in the stacked mid 80's while having practically Wizards' Jordan athleticism? If anything, if pure skills are concerned I see no reason why he shouldn't be #1.[/QUOTE]
Exactly. Give LeBron, Birds body and he would drop of the list altogether.
[QUOTE=jongib369]Let me guess you're about 15-20, and the most your attention span could handle was a 5-10 minute highlight of him?
Or are you more intelligent than that and you're just trying to trigger 3ball?[/QUOTE]
I'm beginning to think he's actually an MJ fan and he's trolling us all. Nobody that dumb otherwise should be walking the streets freely.
Bird and Shaq.