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Saw this earlier since I'm cool and hip.
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"So, don't try and take credibility for teaching me jack"
He tried to get too fancy with it at the end. The word he was looking for is "credit".
Nice vid tho. Square biz.
I hate that the attitude of a lot of teachers or people going into teaching is that it is for the pay check - which he says she said outright. You should go into teaching because you want to be an educator, not a high paid babysitter.
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[QUOTE=miller-time]I hate that the attitude of a lot of teachers or people going into teaching is that it is for the pay check - which he says she said outright. You should go into teaching because you want to be an educator, not a high paid babysitter.[/QUOTE]
Teachers are generally overpaid anyway. $40,000-$100,000 to work 8 hours/day, 180 days a year? :oldlol:
[QUOTE=ace23]Teachers are generally overpaid anyway. $40,000-$100,000 to work 8 hours/day, 180 days a year? :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
Jesus you're an idiot.
Awesome :applause:
Never liked those asshole teachers who never tried to interact with the students. Back in HS I loved the charismatic teachers.
[QUOTE=ace23]Teachers are generally overpaid anyway. $40,000-$100,000 to work 8 hours/day, 180 days a year? :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
Teachers should actually be paid more than they are now. They have a very important role in the future of every nation on earth....however, it is up to the gov't to put a system in place to allow teachers to earn that sort of pay...and it's up to the people to want it. I mean, the way things are now, many teachers should be earning jack squat, but in reality they hold so much power over future generations that if the gov't acknowledged this, they would be trained in a way that would in turn lead to them being paid a lot. First, way more money has to be put into the teachers' own educational system.
People seem to focus on how little the teachers should make because of poor outcomes from the students....when the focus should be on why teachers aren't being trained in a way that would lead to better teaching and thus make it obvious they deserve to earn more. The people have to really want it first, but I don't see the local, state and federal gov'ts really being pressured much on a grand scale.
Just food for thought.
[QUOTE=ace23]Teachers are generally overpaid anyway. [/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=ace23]Teachers are generally overpaid anyway. $40,000-$100,000 to work 8 hours/day, 180 days a year? :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
Whoever taught you anything was overpaid that's for sure. Because you're as dumb as a cinder block
My mom only taught preschool and that shit was a solid 12 hour a day job, often more. Where exactly do you think lesson plans and tests and worksheets and exercises and all that comes from?
[QUOTE=InspiredLebowski]My mom only taught preschool and that shit was a solid 12 hour a day job, often more. Where exactly do you think lesson plans and tests and worksheets and exercises and all that comes from?[/QUOTE]
Maybe the first year, but after that they just recycle the same sht and same tests over and over again.
teachers are definitely UNDERPAID.. i worked as a teachers aid at an elementary and MY GOODNESS these mother****ers work hard as hell... 12 hr days.. dealing with idiot kids, idiot parents, idiot principals.. etc...
teachers should make 60,000 easy
[QUOTE=macmac]Whoever taught you anything was overpaid that's for sure. Because you're as dumb as a cinder block[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=DeuceWallaces]Jesus you're an idiot.[/QUOTE]
Definitely.
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I feel bad for anyone who is currently enrolled in the shit storm we call public school. Terrible teachers, boring subjects, zero student choice, stupid rules. We had a rule that nobody could wear jacket in our school. So you've got little 100 pound girls in class, middle of winter, freezing cold not allowed to wear jackets. Damn. Retarded.
The reason for the rule was because someone could conceal a gun in a jacket, due to paranoia about the school shootings. Somehow the reason is even dumber than the rule itself. Thanks to 2-3 idiots in other states, we have to suffer? And how is banning jackets going to prevent a school shooting? If someone wanted to shoot up the school, they weren't going to be prevented by a no jacket rule.
Teachers > principles > their higher ups > their higher ups. The higher up the chain you go, the more retarded they get when it comes to public schools.
Teachers have pretty bad pay from what I hear. Also, they don't work only 180 days a year on average. They have to work maybe a week to a month before and after the school year. I have also heard that some teachers need to do extra work in the summer.
Anyways, back to the video. Any teacher would be pissed if they were told how to do their job. I won't judge the teacher because I have not experienced taht particular class and there is no context to that video. Don't get me wrong, only passing packets and not going over them is blatantly bad teaching. Teaching is largely communication and simplification of complex ideas.
underpaid in terms of what? because they are job is important?
[QUOTE=Just2McFly]underpaid in terms of what? because they are job is important?[/QUOTE]
Damn, who was your teacher?
[QUOTE=miller-time]I hate that the attitude of a lot of teachers or people going into teaching is that it is for the pay check - which he says she said outright. You should go into teaching because you want to be an educator, not a high paid babysitter.[/QUOTE]
But teachers don't make jack shit. For the most part, people know this but still get into education because they want to be a part of the system. Problem is the system is garbage.
[QUOTE=L.Kizzle]Damn, who was your teacher?[/QUOTE]
Mrs. iPhone Autocorrect.
Most teachers are shitheads that go into it cause it's an easy paycheck if you do bare minimum work. My mom's a teacher, and she makes one 100k a year doing it. But she is a department chair, avid supervisor, senior class advisor, link crew coordinator teaches on her prep period and has a class after school. Not to mention all the games and extracurricular activities she is at. She used to leave our house at 6 am and not get home til 6 or 7. There are teachers that are dedicated like that, and America needs to find them by paying teachers more. Require masters to teach in a public school and weed out the idiots who want to just collect a paycheck. Make school days longer. Get rid of standardized testing, because that is a waste of time. Take money out of the middle east and welfare homes nd put it into our schools. That is the most important thing right now for our future So we don't have a generation of kkids trying to emulate lil wayne and shit.
My mother was and is a teacher...and my grandmother was a math and sunday school teacher for like 40 years.
But that doesnt mean they are underpaid.
Public schools are a joke these days, The extreme vast majority really is babysitting. I learned next to nothing after I left private school and schools have if anything gotten worse since my days.
More kids, more teaching to the test not for knowledge, and kids doing worse.
Being given a massive responsibility doesnt mean you are underpaid even if you arent good at it.
Even if teachers are good...most of the schools are so rigid they cant show it.
Pay a guy 200 thousand...if he has to teach from a text book, hand out work sheets, and teach to a statewide test for weeks at a time the kids still dont come out caring. Some say pay them more and more qualified people take the jobs...but run the numbers. Where is the money to come from? And its not like more education makes one better at teaching. The best teacher I ever had had passion...but he wasnt really that good at math...which he taught. Not like...brilliant. He taught from the book but he was just interesting...fun.
This isnt the 60s with black teachers smuggling books from white schools so little black kids could learn history.
I know teachers. Plural. My ex girlfriend is a second grade teacher. And as I said...my mom is one too.
But it isnt high on the underpaid list.
Ive worked retail. The money these people are used to generate is astounding and they get minimum wage.
I could go teach in high school...tomorrow. My defensive coordinator from football was my math teacher for 2 years. Handed out sheets, read from a book, and passed anyone useful to sports.
It isnt that hard to be an average teacher. Its hard to be a great one.
Most teachers arent doing anything to justify high pay. They possibly could...but not in the system America gives them.
I'm a teacher over here in China.
I wish teachers would be as respected in America as they are here. Education is actually seen as a quality major unlike in America. Its nice to feel appreciated and respected.
And in turn, I've tried my best to make my lessons interesting. Students seem to like my classes and some of my students have really surprised me. I teach geography and history btw. And kindergarten.
Don't see myself teaching in America though. Don't want to get involved in that crap fest.
Couple clowns in here.
I specifically remember my HS psych teacher citing these reasons for becoming a teacher after getting his degree:
1. Summers off
2. 8-hour days
We did nothing in his class but watch movies and discuss current events. We all received 100s on our report cards after turning in the odd biweekly worksheet.
Dude made 80K+/year. It's a joke.
[QUOTE=L.Kizzle]Damn, who was your teacher?[/QUOTE]
K. anyways, ive stopped feeling for teachers a long time ago.
I agree with K Blaze
[QUOTE=Just2McFly]underpaid in terms of what? because they are job is important?[/QUOTE]
I think this is a good question to ask.
Are teachers underpaid? Yes, the skillset of a good teacher generally means he or she will get paid better elsewhere, most markedly in science. Last time we had this discussion, I think I posted a link where there was a severe shortage of qualified educators in the stem fields. I think the necessary qualification to be considered "qualified" was a subject specific major or higher education.
Are good teachers underpaid? Sure, but good teachers need to be qualified to teach their subject. How will you challenge bright students if you are not learned in your subject? Currently, in a significant portion of our classrooms, we have education majors without a science minor teaching high school science classes. This is unacceptable.
Meritocracy and giving financial incentive to subject specific majors or phd's to teach in high schools is necessary. Good, qualified teachers are an invaluable investment and there needs to be a major perceptual change in what it means and what is expected of an educator.
[QUOTE=Cangri]Maybe the first year, but after that they just recycle the same sht and same tests over and over again.[/QUOTE]
Teachers are often rotated around the grde levels and what works for one level may not necessarily work for another. I's much harder than you think, especially for the elementary levels. Te kind of peparation that goes into each class is astonishing.
Being a future educator, I can't help but feel rage towards that "teacher," if she can even call herself that. Such audacity. If she was looking for a paycheck, she should be looking elsewhere coz that's not what this profession will get you. I've come to terms with that fact, knowing even that I'll probably live a much simpler life materially than I am now. However, when I think about all those kids Imma be helping in the future, I simply don't care about it anymore. This kid is right on the money. I really hope this video goes viral.
[quote=Dolphin]Teachers should actually be paid more than they are now. They have a very important role in the future of every nation on earth....however, it is up to the gov't to put a system in place to allow teachers to earn that sort of pay...and it's up to the people to want it. I mean, the way things are now, many teachers should be earning jack squat, but in reality they hold so much power over future generations that if the gov't acknowledged this, they would be trained in a way that would in turn lead to them being paid a lot. First, way more money has to be put into the teachers' own educational system.
People seem to focus on how little the teachers should make because of poor outcomes from the students....when the focus should be on why teachers aren't being trained in a way that would lead to better teaching and thus make it obvious they deserve to earn more. The people have to really want it first, but I don't see the local, state and federal gov'ts really being pressured much on a grand scale.
Just food for thought.[/quote]All of this. Going into teaching seems to be a second option now for a lot of people. If they fail at what they want to do, they do teaching instead, it's not given the importance it needs to be given. Teachers need to be trained as thoroughly as doctors or engineers, they are that important. They shape the youth of the world at times and in matters that are very important, it should not be taken lightly. The school system needs some major changes.
[QUOTE=ace23]Couple clowns in here.
I specifically remember my HS psych teacher citing these reasons for becoming a teacher after getting his degree:
1. Summers off
2. 8-hour days
We did nothing in his class but watch movies and discuss current events. We all received 100s on our report cards after turning in the odd biweekly worksheet.
Dude made 80K+/year. It's a joke.[/QUOTE]
Did you go to some private or charter school?
Not sure how it is in Texas but i know for a fact no k-12 teacher in California makes anywhere near $80k. Average is like $40k - $50k
When I worked in various Latin American schools for a year as a teacher - you could teach in a school - then go teach an informal outside school class as well. That was the biggest motivator for me because to get people to pay you directly for classes - you need to actually have a good reputation.
That's probably illegal in the states.
You go to work...get paid - teach...don't teach noone cares. Extra effort doesn't really help your bottom line. I think school on the whole is just going to take a big hit - people are not going to be going to school to learn- you can do that on youtube - they're just going to school to socialize.
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I'm pretty happy I have never had a teacher that only cares about their pay check and not the students' future.
[QUOTE=Cali Syndicate]Did you go to some private or charter school?
Not sure how it is in Texas but i know for a fact no k-12 teacher in California makes anywhere near $80k. Average is like $40k - $50k[/QUOTE]
Public. He had at least 20 years of exp. fwiw.
teachers have it pretty tough... they get stuck with alot of bs and they its a trap because they are expected to do alot of things without many resources or help from the faculty..
that said.. I agree with the kid. You do have teachers who take that dismissive attitude like the teacher in the video seems to have... those teachers need to be rooted out and let go...
if you dont care? get another job and stop wasting kid's time. There are kids in every class who actually want to learn and teacher cant lose sight of that.
I bet that teacher was embarrassed when she thinks back on what happened
[QUOTE=HardwoodLegend]"So, don't try and take credibility for teaching me jack"
He tried to get too fancy with it at the end. The word he was looking for is "credit".
Nice vid tho. Square biz.[/QUOTE]
Poor kid would know the difference if she taught him.
[QUOTE=ace23]Couple clowns in here.
I specifically remember my HS psych teacher citing these reasons for becoming a teacher after getting his degree:
1. Summers off
2. 8-hour days
We did nothing in his class but watch movies and discuss current events. We all received 100s on our report cards after turning in the odd biweekly worksheet.
Dude made 80K+/year. It's a joke.[/QUOTE]
That is a crazy high income. I know many teachers personally and none of them make even close to that much money. How did you know his income? Did the teacher brag about it in class, or are you pulling that number out of your butt?
If this kid is truly as smart as he claims to be, he would attack the curriculum and not the teacher; teachers are only following a bullsh*t curriculum based on killing off creativity, using the lowest level kind of thinking (memorization and repitition), and training the mind to view the world through an erroneous perspective (materialism, facts, objectivity).
Classes are structured to be boring, textbooks are written like instructional guides on purpose to block conceptual thinking, and teachers are told to follow the procedure or they will be fired.
What the f*ck else are they supposed to do?
[B]Blame the curriculum; no matter how much money you throw at the system or how many great teachers you have, if it is sh*t, you can't turn that sh*t into anything other than sh*t.[/B]
Kids an idiot. F*ck him.
[QUOTE=Myth]That is a crazy high income. I know many teachers personally and none of them make even close to that much money. How did you know his income? Did the teacher brag about it in class, or are you pulling that number out of your butt?[/QUOTE]
My brother is an administrator and he doesn't make that kind of money. Ace is making some pretty general assumptions in this thread, overall.
I know a lot of good teachers who genuinely care about the kids and have devoted their lives to what they do. As with any career, there is a range of employees with different levels of interest/involvement.
As for rate of pay for teachers, it fluctuates based on cost of living in the area, but I don't know a single teacher/coach who makes anything close to $80,000 a year.
I work as a Classified staff member (after school program) and I am going to be a history teacher at the secondary level.
In response to the video: I agree that as a student it can be very very frustrating when no one around you takes as big an interest in your education as you do. Even if you don't care, it is the educators job to make you care. I would have been hesitant to applaud the kid since it's a short video and you have no idea if he was being an idiot beforehand, but her response to him made me believe that all of his points were valid. That kind of teaching gives educators a bad name, it makes the students check out, AND they don't learn shit. Even as just a ASP leader I have a personal, vested interest in the education of my students.
History in particular frustrated me because it's often the laziest form of teaching. But if I get on that track you won't get me off so...
As for the pay of teachers: teachers, or I should say, good-great teachers, at every level are underpaid. These are the ones who not only pour everything they have into their actual contracted hours, but also spend countless hours of their own personal time, and also their own money to further enhance their abilities as a teacher. It takes serious dedication, and patience. I love the field of education, I love my students, and I really want to teach history, but even I have considered very strongly doing something else because of the money. That shouldn't be the case.
There needs to be a greater emphasis put on education in our society. And there needs to be more incentive for the right kind of people to go into teaching. It really is a thankless job. I would love to higher salaries, and merit based evaluation (opposed to seniority). The only problem is what is the metric for a good teacher? It's not always concrete. The standardized testing is, imo, straight bullshit, and creates a culture that discourages real good education.
Finally, we cannot have misplaced teachers. I want to teach history because I love the shit out of history. It fascinates me, I drive those around me crazy talking about something I've read or my ideas on a current event, etc. I have a serious passion for the field, and I hope that as an educator my students will be able to notice that, and in turn I will be able to inspire a passion in them. If I go somewhere and they're like: "Oh we need you to teach theater." that won't work. I'll be competent, I'm a smart guy, I can figure it out, but without that passion for it I will not be nearly as effective as I should be.
I have written such a long post because the topic of education is one I care very much about. I feel all over the place when I write about it on ISH because I have so much I want to say, and so many ideas I have a hard time cutting it down. But this student is right, even if they all show up. Even if they are the smartest kids in school. Even if they do all of their work diligently, without the teacher giving their all it's a moot point. I have rough days at work with my kids, it happens, but if it becomes a consistent problem you have to take a step back and reevaluate it all.