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KyleKong 12-10-2013 03:42 PM

Re: Would Have The Spurs Won The 2013 NBA Finals With Chris Paul Instead of Tony Parker?
 
Put LeBron on the Spurs and they would have won.

SCdac 12-10-2013 03:58 PM

Re: Would Have The Spurs Won The 2013 NBA Finals With Chris Paul Instead of Tony Parker?
 
Eh, who knows.

As a Spurs fan, I'd actually prefer healthy D-Rose (not this season...) or Westbrook in place of Parker, not Paul... so Spurs still get the necessary scoring from that position and have a similarly styled player. Yet they're explosive, dynamic, and can play above the rim more than Parker.

Not a big Chris Paul fan although I think he's an excellent player. His teams tend to be too dependent on both his scoring and playmaking and IMO it tends to hurt as much as it helps. If you shut him down I think you shut the whole team down in many respects, whereas the Spurs have utilized a PG who is more of a scorer than a passer and it's worked for a decade at least.

BoutPractice 12-10-2013 05:12 PM

Re: Would Have The Spurs Won The 2013 NBA Finals With Chris Paul Instead of Tony Parker?
 
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Originally Posted by DMAVS41
Yes.

Paul is better than Parker on both ends.

But that's the thing, I don't believe those two statements are related in any meaningful way.

Imagine if in 2011 after the Lakers loss against the Mavericks, the people said "would the Lakers have won the championship had they had Dwight Howard instead of Andrew Bynum?". Then you could've said, of course, Dwight Howard is better than Andrew Bynum. Well, maybe he is, but we all know how that turned out when he actually joined the Lakers a year later.

Or what if Carmelo Anthony had been drafted by the Pistons in 2003? He's definitely a better player than Tayshaun Prince, but does that mean they necessarily win the championship in 2004? Does that mean it makes their path to the championship easier?

Or do the Heat sweep the playoffs in 2013 if you replaced Birdman by Asik and Mario Chalmers by say, Jeremy Lin?

It just doesn't work like that.

DMAVS41 12-10-2013 05:14 PM

Re: Would Have The Spurs Won The 2013 NBA Finals With Chris Paul Instead of Tony Parker?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BoutPractice
But that's the thing, I don't believe those two statements are related in any meaningful way.

Imagine if in 2011 after the Lakers loss against the Mavericks, the people said "would the Lakers have won the championship had they had Dwight Howard instead of Andrew Bynum?". Then you could've said, of course, Dwight Howard is better than Andrew Bynum. Well, maybe he is, but we all know how that turned out when he actually joined the Lakers a year later.

Or what if Carmelo Anthony had been drafted by the Pistons in 2003? He's definitely a better player than Tayshaun Prince, but does that mean they necessarily win the championship in 2004? Does that mean it makes their path to the championship easier?

Or do the Heat sweep the playoffs in 2013 if you replaced Birdman by Asik and Mario Chalmers by say, Jeremy Lin?

It just doesn't work like that.


In the role they needed Paul to play...he would be better than Parker. This isn't some prince vs melo thing.

This is a replace a starting pg with a starting pg thing...and the Spurs would love to have a player as dominant as Paul in place of Parker.

tpols 12-10-2013 05:19 PM

Re: Would Have The Spurs Won The 2013 NBA Finals With Chris Paul Instead of Tony Parker?
 
CP would have to tone down his dribbling, learn how to move great off the ball, and have the balls to attack defenses himself in crunchtime.. so who knows.


Manu could barely dribble in the Finals.. Green and all the shooters cant create and their shots went cold towards the end.. Duncan dissapeared in second halfs compared to firsts.. and Lebron was zoned up on Parker. He did all that was necessary to pull out wins hitting multiple clutch shots to basically close the game out in games 1 and 6.. could Paul do the same?

BoutPractice 12-10-2013 05:24 PM

Re: Would Have The Spurs Won The 2013 NBA Finals With Chris Paul Instead of Tony Parker?
 
DMAVS41 > I honestly don't know. Chris Paul is a tremendous player, a HOFer, all time great, whatever you want to name him. He's arguably better than Parker, but he also plays in a different way, one that makes his team more dependent on him for certain things.

In many ways the Spurs are the prototype for the ideal championship organization, and I don't think it's a coincidence that they don't rely on a point guard to do their distributing. There are some exceptions, but there seems to be a pattern of championship teams being teams where the ball moves... as opposed to a team where one specific player is tasked with moving the ball. That's why, I would argue, ball dominant passing PGs are less likely to lead their teams to championships even though they can be truly formidable players like Paul. It's not because they're the least important position... it's because championship teams, to be successful, need all of their players to share the ball. Instead of having one passing specialist and everyone else on the receiving end, they want everyone to pass the ball. Obviously I'm generalizing, and this is all hypotheticals anyway, but the pattern is definitely there.

tpols 12-10-2013 05:26 PM

Re: Would Have The Spurs Won The 2013 NBA Finals With Chris Paul Instead of Tony Parker?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DMAVS41
In the role they needed Paul to play...he would be better than Parker. This isn't some prince vs melo thing.

This is a replace a starting pg with a starting pg thing...and the Spurs would love to have a player as dominant as Paul in place of Parker.

His Bynum-Howard example is pretty spot on though.. Dwight was always considered better than Bynum, yet when Dwight came to LA the team got significantly worse than it had been with Bynum.

Wasnt much difference in Pau, starting PG, starting SF.. Kobe was better when he played with Dwight than he was in 2011 and 2012 when he played with Bynum which you would think would make it even easier for Dwight to add more wins than Bynum.. but he didnt.

It's about fits and responsibilities.. Parker and CP dont play like each other at all. They arent even the same type of player. Parker is basically a scorer first while CP is a facilitator.

Young X 12-10-2013 06:03 PM

Re: Would Have The Spurs Won The 2013 NBA Finals With Chris Paul Instead of Tony Parker?
 
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Originally Posted by tpols
CP would have to tone down his dribbling, learn how to move great off the ball, and have the balls to attack defenses himself in crunchtime.. so who knows.

Why would Paul have to "learn how to attack defenses in crunchtime"? He does this all the time. He takes over 4th quarters, hits big shots all the time.

Besides, the Spurs wouldn't be in those same positions with Paul's much better play in the 1st place. Parker averaged 16/6 - 47 TS% in the finals and the Spurs almost won in spite of him, do you really think Paul can't do better than that? Be real.

Jameerthefear 12-10-2013 06:05 PM

Re: Would Have The Spurs Won The 2013 NBA Finals With Chris Paul Instead of Tony Parker?
 
duh lol

TheReal Kendall 12-10-2013 06:07 PM

Re: Would Have The Spurs Won The 2013 NBA Finals With Chris Paul Instead of Tony Parker?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by IncarceratedBob
If you take Ginobili off the Spurs they win in 6


This is the reason they lost.

Manu was playing for the Heat

Victoire 12-11-2013 07:06 AM

Re: Would Have The Spurs Won The 2013 NBA Finals With Chris Paul Instead of Tony Parker?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Young X
Why would Paul have to "learn how to attack defenses in crunchtime"? He does this all the time. He takes over 4th quarters, hits big shots all the time.

Besides, the Spurs wouldn't be in those same positions with Paul's much better play in the 1st place. Parker averaged 16/6 - 47 TS% in the finals and the Spurs almost won in spite of him, do you really think Paul can't do better than that? Be real.


Could he have basically won the Memphis series by himself like did Parker? Could he have done better with Lebron on him for the entire serie, hurt like Parker was during the final? No, he probably couldn't have.

You are the most clueless poster on ISH, by far.

AI Thornton 12-11-2013 07:10 AM

Re: Would Have The Spurs Won The 2013 NBA Finals With Chris Paul Instead of Tony Parker?
 
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Originally Posted by TheReturn
Take Ginobili off the Spurs and they don't get past the Warriors.


Take Manu off the Spurs and they don't require Manu's desperate 3 pointer to beat the Warriors.

ILLsmak 12-11-2013 08:04 AM

Re: Would Have The Spurs Won The 2013 NBA Finals With Chris Paul Instead of Tony Parker?
 
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Originally Posted by AI Thornton
Take Manu off the Spurs and they don't require Manu's desperate 3 pointer to beat the Warriors.


lol yea I was gonna say, maybe not but they win if Manu somehow disappears into a black hole.

MANU WE ALL KNOW U THREW TEH SERIES ON PURPOSE. Dunno why though...


-Smak

Thechosen1 12-11-2013 08:56 AM

Re: Would Have The Spurs Won The 2013 NBA Finals With Chris Paul Instead of Tony Parker?
 
this isnt about style of play,its about personality types..Chris Paul in that moment would have wanted to cement himself as an all time great PG...hes alot more fiesty than tony parker, and wouldnt have allowed himself to be taken out the game. Paul in his mind thinks hes the best player on the court even if its lebron on the same floor as him. That is what parker was missing in the series, he just basically acted as if he was a role player.

joeyjoejoe 12-11-2013 08:58 AM

Re: Would Have The Spurs Won The 2013 NBA Finals With Chris Paul Instead of Tony Parker?
 
Probably, cp is a great point guard Parker is a good point guard the difference is huge, if you don't like my opinion f##k off


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