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This must be said: The Wire is overrated
I've been waiting to watch this show for years. The hype around this around the inter webs had me salivating.
"GOAT show!!!" many typed around the webs.
Patton Oswalt even wrote an entire article on AintItCool proclaiming his adoration for the show.
Posters quoted Wire lines, used 'Avon' and Stringer as their board handles with Avatars of their fav characters. Even some here have proclaimed it to be better than Sopranos, the best show ever!!!
I was anxiously anticipating to watch it, and I was let down.
Cliche, cliche, cliche.
Acting was good, rarely great. The big bad drug dealers were not, nothing original, nothing groundbreaking, nothing spectacular, shit
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I've only watched seasons 1 and 2 and wasn't blown away by it, but I've been told that it gets better. I still don't have any huge motivation to continue watching it though.
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[QUOTE=Al Thornton]further proof that andgar is not only the worst poster of all time, but worst human of all time[/QUOTE]
damn :oldlol:
Imagine once a year, every city/town in the world submitted their nominations to the UN for the world's worst human being. And each year one person would be given that title.
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Eh it was too slow and boring for me, like a parody of a gritty dramatic crime series instead of a real one. Not as bad as Breaking Bad though.
From the HBO series I liked Oz the most, had more of a flavor and personality. Better humor, acting and entertainment value.
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[QUOTE=Graviton]Eh it was too slow and boring for me, like a parody of a gritty dramatic crime series instead of a real one. Not as bad as Breaking Bad though.
From the HBO series I liked Oz the most, had more of a flavor and personality. Better humor, acting and entertainment value.[/QUOTE]
BB has some shaky writing but even then, it's better than Wire.
Shit, the acting on BB alone trumps anything on Wire, with ease.
Omar being the scariest character on Wire:coleman:
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I never watched Lost, but when you think Breaking Bad, The Wire, and The Sopranos aren't very good the problem isn't the shows.
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[QUOTE=andgar923]BB has some shaky writing but even then, it's better than Wire.
Shit, the acting on BB alone trumps anything on Wire, with ease.
Omar being the scariest character on Wire:coleman:[/QUOTE]
Well Breaking Bad had some completely retarded moments.
Like the Mexican drug lord's mansion with only like 1-2 guards, no people on the rooftop with machine guns or no small army around the house. :oldlol: Gus just walks in, poisons everyone and walks out like nothing happened.
Or the billionaire chicken chain owner only having around 2-8 bodyguards, that one Mexican sniper coming in and scaring him all by himself by ambushing his shipments and shooting at his laundry spot. :oldlol:
The show had big time "bosses" that operated like local drug dealers, was hard to believe they are some hardcore guys making 100+ million like nothing.
And the school teacher ends up outsmarting all of them? :bowdown:
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[QUOTE=Graviton]Well Breaking Bad had some completely retarded moments.
[B]Like the Mexican drug lord's mansion with only like 1-2 guards[/B], no people on the rooftop with machine guns or no small army around the house. :oldlol: Gus just walks in, poisons everyone and walks out like nothing happened.
Or the billionaire chicken chain owner only having around 2-8 bodyguards, that one Mexican sniper coming in and scaring him all by himself by ambushing his shipments and shooting at his laundry spot. :oldlol:
The show had big time "bosses" that operated like local drug dealers, was hard to believe they are some hardcore guys making 100+ million like nothing.
And the school teacher ends up outsmarting all of them? :bowdown:[/QUOTE]
Not so.
Even then, Gus was an invited guest along with others from the cartel who also had their bodyguards. It isn't rare to see a home with minimal bodyguards in small towns like those, because they're very secluded for starters.
Gus didn't walk out like nothing happened. YES he poisoned basically everybody, but he had a shootout, but even then, most were already poisoned or shot.
But he wasn't a 'Billionaire' chain owner. It also common to see millionaires walk around with no bodyguards. Either way, Mike or somebody else was always with him. Remember, only very few knew of his power. The Mexican cartel for the most part had his back, it was only when things went bad that he was in any danger and he was well protected then.
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Freedom of speech is overrated.
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[QUOTE=andgar923]Not so.
Even then, Gus was an invited guest along with others from the cartel who also had their bodyguards. It isn't rare to see a home with minimal bodyguards in small towns like those, because they're very secluded for starters.
Gus didn't walk out like nothing happened. YES he poisoned basically everybody, but he had a shootout, but even then, most were already poisoned or shot.
But he wasn't a 'Billionaire' chain owner. It also common to see millionaires walk around with no bodyguards. Either way, Mike or somebody else was always with him. Remember, only very few knew of his power. The Mexican cartel for the most part had his back, it was only when things went bad that he was in any danger and he was well protected then.[/QUOTE]
There wasn't a "shootout", Gus, Mike and Jessy walked out and Jessy shot just ONE GUY! Then they left in the car. There is no way the biggest drug lord in Mexico would be that defenseless. :oldlol:
He was almost a billionaire, when Jessy and Walter talked about their 3 month deal, they did the math and I think said Gus was gonna have like 250+ million worth of meth after those 3 months, if you add his chicken chain and near decade of meth business you get a very very very rich drug lord in control of all meth distribution in the East/South.
The fact there were so few henchmen and bodyguards in that billion dollar business wasn't realistic, Gus and the Mexican guy were basically Pablo Escobars in the show yet they never displayed their power or influence. The show just feels like a budget series going for big time scale but not really giving you that sense. If the show was done by HBO instead of AMC I am sure the set pieces and all the events would be much more refined.
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[QUOTE=macmac]Freedom of speech is overrated.[/QUOTE]
minus of speech
agreed
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OP reminds me of dumbasses who have watched second hand stupid rip offs all their life that when they watch something actually original they find it cliche. Never realizing what they found original and non-cliche are actually cheap copies of the real thing.
PS: andgar923 is so cool.
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Not enough Apple product placement in the Wire.
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So basically, you listened to other people and then raised your expectations to an unattainable level? The show wasn't the problem. I'd say your level of expectations was probably the problem. IMO, that's not the correct frame of mind to go in to watching a show (or pretty much anything for that matter). I'd say it's certainly your loss if you're going to give up on the show without giving it a real chance. Sit back, relax and try to enjoy the effing show instead of trying to nitpick stupid things like a contrarian.
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[FONT=Arial]I could have predicted Andgar’s opinion of The Wire. His favorite brand is Apple, his favorite band is The Beatles, his favorite current show is apparently Game of Thrones.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial]Don’t get me wrong, I actually like all of those things. But still, these things all share similar traits in a way and are telling of Andgar's taste. Apple is known for their aesthetically pleasing, easy to use computer products. The Beatles are known for their instantly catchy songs and universal appeal. Game of Thrones is essentially a very slick and simplified cliffnotes version of ASOIAF.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial]What they all share is that they are some of the most accessible brands within their respective segment. Which is good. However, accessibility also tends to come at the expense of depth, which is clearly the case for all of these things. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial]The Wire is the opposite of that, it’s value doesn’t show on the surface. It's not slick, it's not simple, it's not catchy. Instead it’s introspective, symbolic and heady. It’s exactly like the sort of stuff I figure someone like Andgar wouldn’t appreciate. [/FONT]
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LOL @ all the personal attacks
I guess some of you can't form an objective argument.
Never did I say that the show sucked now did I?
And to Jackass, you have a slight point. But there's been other shows that I've seen that met or surpassed the hype. It's hard not to get impacted by anything none of us are impression less and I always try to detach myself from the hype. If I had seen the Wire without any of the hype I would've said it was a good show highly recommended. Only reason this thread exists is because the hype around it is monumental. Like I stated, a large amount of people online consider it GOAT, which it is not.
But some of the replies only make my case.
Some of you need to work on your predictable comebacks and learn how to make better arguments.
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[QUOTE=LJJ][FONT=Arial]I could have predicted Andgar
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Personal attacks?
It's not exactly a secret that you prefer shiny and simplified over more complex and challenging. If you think that's an attack you need to get more comfortable with your own identity.
Read your opening post again. The body of your argument is this:
[QUOTE=andgar923]Acting was good, rarely great. The big bad drug dealers were not, nothing original, nothing groundbreaking, nothing spectacular, shit
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[QUOTE=LJJ]Personal attacks?
It's not exactly a secret that you prefer shiny and simplified over more complex and challenging. If you think that's an attack you need to get more comfortable with your own identity.
Read your opening post again. The body of your argument is this:
What, you expect intelligent replies? No. You get what you deserve.[/QUOTE]
LOL
You know me so well because I like Apple products, :rolleyes:
I tried adding some quick tidbits for fun, whoopee!!! I still made my main point, it isn't what ya'll say it is. This groundbreaking revolutionary show. That my friend was the Sopranos, Simpsons, Twilight Zone to name a few.
None of the characters are original.
None of the plot lines are original.
As some mentioned on another thread, this is a plot driven show. They touch briefly on some of the character's lives, they attempt to do some character analysis but it's just that
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list 3 better crime dramas
if you say Breaking Bad, would neg
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[QUOTE=andgar923]
A cop that has morals and is driven to crack the case but is filled with personal issues
A drug dealer with a heart
Cops tired of their jobs
Corrupt cops
Corrupt higher level officials
The wise old cop that solves crimes[/QUOTE]
Wow, you understood so little about the show or the characters. Keep confirming my biases buddy. :oldlol:
This is what you call an "analysis"?
Wow.
The show isn't even really about the plot or the characters. You failed at even the very basis of the show.
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[QUOTE=andgar923]LOL
You know me so well because I like Apple products, :rolleyes:
I tried adding some quick tidbits for fun, whoopee!!! I still made my main point, it isn't what ya'll say it is. This groundbreaking revolutionary show. That my friend was the Sopranos, Simpsons, Twilight Zone to name a few.
None of the characters are original.
None of the plot lines are original.
As some mentioned on another thread, this is a plot driven show. They touch briefly on some of the character's lives, they attempt to do some character analysis but it's just that
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[QUOTE=Go Getter]You never watched the whole series so commenting on it's layers is pretty pretentious.
The seasons on the school system and the one on Baltimore politics were deeper than I've seen on TV. The authenticity of the show is about as good as it gets for TV. The fact that you don't see it probably means that you can't identify with the themes or characters.[/QUOTE]
I mentioned that I only saw the first season. Perhaps you're correct, it may develop into something more as seasons progress.
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[QUOTE=LJJ]Wow, you understood so little about the show or the characters. Keep confirming my biases buddy. :oldlol:
This is what you call an "analysis"?
Wow.
The show isn't even really about the plot or the characters. You failed at even the very basis of the show.[/QUOTE]
So I'm lying?
Correct me then.
And of course that isn't a full analysis, it was a simple rundown.
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:roll: you've only watched the first season??
this is the equivalent of walking out of a good movie after 20 minutes and then complaining to your friends who saw the whole thing
shut up and watch the rest of it
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[QUOTE=andgar923]So I'm lying?
Correct me then.
And of course that isn't a full analysis, it was a simple rundown.[/QUOTE]
You want me to spoil the whole thing for you?
That's all the hints I care to give, the real meat of the show is not the plot or the characters. It's not about that. That's not the subject of the show.
Also the way you think of the characters, like "the cop with morals, the drug dealer with a heart" is a completely wrong train of thought for this show. Just a word of advice.
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the show is intended as a dramatic rendition of an institutional analysis more or less. its not about the way people are, its an explanation for why they do what seems inexplicable.
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[QUOTE=Stuckey]list 3 better crime dramas
if you say Breaking Bad, would neg[/QUOTE]
Sopranos
OZ
Don't really watch too many (or any) crime dramas on tv since most of them are the same and almost all of them are on network tv. I haven't seen the Shield so I can't comment on it.
And YES Wire is a good show, never said it wasn't.
Again, do most of you not understand what the term 'overrated' is?
To refresh everybody's memory, many have said it was the GOAT show. Not GOAT crime drama but GOAT show period and that's my main reason for this thread.
In regards to BB vs Wire
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[QUOTE=RidonKs]the show is intended as a dramatic rendition of an institutional analysis more or less. its not about the way people are, its an explanation for why they do what seems inexplicable.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the great insight!
This is something that isn't even subtle, hard not to see how this is one of the main driving themes. Corrupt system, class inequalities, broken down families, gay tolerance (or views on gays), welfare system, most of that stuff is covered and hard not to miss.
Yes if you compare it to network tv this kicks its ass.
But we covered this stuff with OZ, Sopranos, Twilight Zone (albeit on different angles).
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[QUOTE=andgar923]LOL
You know me so well because I like Apple products, :rolleyes:
I tried adding some quick tidbits for fun, whoopee!!! I still made my main point, it isn't what ya'll say it is. This groundbreaking revolutionary show. That my friend was the Sopranos, Simpsons, Twilight Zone to name a few.
None of the characters are original.
None of the plot lines are original.
As some mentioned on another thread, this is a plot driven show. They touch briefly on some of the character's lives, they attempt to do some character analysis but it's just that…. a touch. Given, only so much you can cover on a show with such a large cast, but this show is primarily plot driven.
A plot that's been done to death before, with characters that have existed before. Done well I agree, but when doing a show such as this introduce something different.
You want an analysis?
Howabout all of the characters being paper cut out cliches.
[B]
A cop that has morals and is driven to crack the case but is filled with personal issues
A drug dealer with a heart
Cops tired of their jobs
Corrupt cops
Corrupt higher level officials
The wise old cop that solves crimes[/B]
Etc.etc. seriously, if I continue to analyze the shit outta this show I'll continue to expose it. And to top it off, they're linear characters with little to no arc (so far), almost all of them are very predictable.[/QUOTE]
None of this sounds like the show at all. Literally none of it. Thus thread is stupid. (Yes i know if you take some of the characters are take 1 facet of them you can call them CORRUPT COP but no one is the CORRUPT COP in the way they'd be in a simplistic network show.)
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[QUOTE=RidonKs]:roll: you've only watched the first season??
this is the equivalent of walking out of a good movie after 20 minutes and then complaining to your friends who saw the whole thing
shut up and watch the rest of it[/QUOTE]
This is fair, I'll concede.
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[QUOTE=niko]None of this sounds like the show at all. Literally none of it. Thus thread is stupid. (Yes i know if you take some of the characters are take 1 facet of them you can call them CORRUPT COP but no one is the CORRUPT COP in the way they'd be in a simplistic network show.)[/QUOTE]
Then you missed the first season.
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[QUOTE=niko]None of this sounds like the show at all. Literally none of it. [B]Thus thread is stupid.[/B] (Yes i know if you take some of the characters are take 1 facet of them you can call them CORRUPT COP but no one is the CORRUPT COP in the way they'd be in a simplistic network show.)[/QUOTE]
I could've guessed that without even opening the thread, just knowing who the OP is.
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Another week, or a month, and you'll be right back here telling everyone how super fantastic The Wire is. You'll tell the world how rich and technically mindblowing the show is. That's your exit strategy.
You need to look back on this first season with contempt. That's the most important thing to remember here. It will separate your fine taste from the lot of these crude wire fans. This should be easy for you since you're already doing it towards Raidohead fans who like the song Creep.
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Solid thread this has become.
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/NwgJPgC.jpg[/IMG]
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only watched the first season? you haven't even seen some of the best characters yet.
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[QUOTE=Stempel, HERB]Another week, or a month, and you'll be right back here telling everyone how super fantastic The Wire is. You'll tell the world how rich and technically mindblowing the show is. That's your exit strategy.
You need to look back on this first season with contempt. That's the most important thing to remember here. It will separate your fine taste from the lot of these crude wire fans. This should be easy for you since you're already doing it towards Raidohead fans who like the song Creep.[/QUOTE]
And I'll have no problem stating that much. I'm not afraid to say that I'm wrong.
It was premature to make this thread after the 1st season, but I truly felt let down. I can't remember being pulled into the show and awed, which is something that's clearly happened with other shows in their first season.
Again, not that it was bad, it was good, just not GOAT worthy.
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[QUOTE=andgar923]BB has some shaky writing but even then, it's better than Wire. [/QUOTE]
Absolutely not. If any of the shows that are considered upper echelon is overrated, it's easily Breaking Bad. The characters are paper thin and one dimensional (outside of Walt and maybe Jesse), the plot is so contrived and relies way too much on deus ex machina and coincidence, the dialogue is choppy and gets annoying (Jesse finishes every damn sentence with 'BITCH!'... and he says like how I spelled it :oldlol: ), everything is so terribly predictable too.
[QUOTE]Shit, the acting on BB alone trumps anything on Wire, with ease. [/QUOTE]
Idris Elba and Andre Royo>>>>>>anyone on BB not named Bryan Cranston.
[QUOTE]Omar being the scariest character on Wire:coleman:[/QUOTE]
Omar was not meant to be 'scary' :confusedshrug:
He's a multidimensional, fleshed out character. Not a one note caricature like these wonderfully written 'scary' characters:
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If you think the first season of the Wire is overrated, fine, you're entitled to your opinion. But don't bring up Breaking Bad as a counter example :oldlol:
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[QUOTE=LJJ]Solid thread this has become.
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/NwgJPgC.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
:roll: classic