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Should the league just give up now? No one can beat the Heat.
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[QUOTE]We've shown that we're a good team and when it's go time, when it's time to put it all on the line, we feel we're the best team out there. When we're playing at our best, we're the best team in the league.[/QUOTE]
:confusedshrug: :confusedshrug:
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Re: Should the league just give up now? No one can beat the Heat.
The Thunder will be 2013 champs. Bookmark this. The Heat will choke in the Finals ala 2011. Durant FMVP.
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Anything can happen. The heat only need one of the big three to come down with an injury then 4 or 5 other teams have a chance.
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lebron should just give up now. he wont climb the ranks no matter how much more rings he wins with this stacked team.
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[QUOTE=ripthekik]lebron should just give up now. he wont climb the ranks no matter how much more rings he wins with this stacked team.[/QUOTE]
2 FMVP + 4 MVP >>>>>>> 2 FMVP + 1 (undeserved) MVP (seriously CP3 was screwed) /thread.
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[QUOTE=ripthekik]lebron should just give up now. he wont climb the ranks no matter how much more rings he wins with this stacked team.[/QUOTE]
passing your boy on the all time this year. 4 MVPs 2 FMVPs 2 rings
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Re: Should the league just give up now? No one can beat the Heat.
I do kind of feel this way, and it has part of me hoping they lose. The Heat's combination of talent at the top of the roster is almost unprecedented.
In 2011, Wade was widely considered a top 3 player. So two of the world's top three players decided to join forces, and they added a top 15 player for good measure. Then they used that talent mass as a magnet to attract a championship cast, with many of the players playing for discounts in order to chase rings.
It kind of doesn't seem right, actually.
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[QUOTE=lilgodfather1]2 FMVP + 4 MVP >>>>>>> 2 FMVP + 1 (undeserved) MVP (seriously CP3 was screwed) /thread.[/QUOTE]
5 > .5 though :D
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[QUOTE=Budadiiii]5 > .5 though :D[/QUOTE]
If LeBron's ring counts for .5, then Kobes first 3 count as .2 because he played on stacked teams, AND he wasn't the best player.
2.6 rings.
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The only team in the league that can cause them problems are the Indiana Pacers. Other than the Pacers, I don't think there's another team that can stop them.
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[QUOTE=ripthekik]lebron should just give up now. he wont climb the ranks no matter how much more rings he wins with this stacked team.[/QUOTE]
u hurt?
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[QUOTE=lilgodfather1]If LeBron's ring counts for .5, then Kobes first 3 count as .2 because he played on stacked teams, AND he wasn't the best player.
2.6 rings.[/QUOTE]
what stacked, other than shaq?
:confusedshrug:
anyway, no matter how you add it, still more than 0.5 :roll: :roll:
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[QUOTE=lilgodfather1]If LeBron's ring counts for .5, then Kobes first 3 count as .2 because he played on stacked teams, AND he wasn't the best player.
2.6 rings.[/QUOTE]
what a retard :roll: :roll:
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Re: Should the league just give up now? No one can beat the Heat.
[QUOTE=jrong]I do kind of feel this way, and it has part of me hoping they lose. The Heat's combination of talent at the top of the roster is almost unprecedented.
In 2011, Wade was widely considered a top 3 player. So two of the world's top three players decided to join forces, and they added a top 15 player for good measure. Then they used that talent mass as a magnet to attract a championship cast, with many of the players playing for discounts in order to chase rings.
It kind of doesn't seem right, actually.[/QUOTE]
GTFOH
It's our time to shine
Lakers and Celtics had the 80s, Bulls had the 90s, this is our era...hope they lose? You must be out of your damn mind
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league is boring now
mostly because Dwight Howard has no balls
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"nobody can beat them"? that's what people thought about this team...
[img]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Hkd23vhqe74/TfWDP87EfQI/AAAAAAAAAr8/hODFzpHRN-Q/s1600/mavs.jpg[/img]
Look, I'm a part of the "Heat have by far the best chance to win" club too
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Anything but a title is a huge disappointment. They have by far the best team. It really isn't close.
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Spurs can beat us. Outside of that, don't see it.
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2013 is an odd year. The Spurs will probably win it.
99, 03, 05, 07, 13
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Spurs aren't beating Miami. I could see them losing to the Lakers if they get the 8th seed.
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[QUOTE=SCdac]"nobody can beat them"? that's what people thought about this team...
[img]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Hkd23vhqe74/TfWDP87EfQI/AAAAAAAAAr8/hODFzpHRN-Q/s1600/mavs.jpg[/img]
Look, I'm a part of the "Heat have by far the best chance to win" club too
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[QUOTE=HEAT111]The only way they can lose, if a team beats them now after they have already won one.[/QUOTE]
Huh?
You're saying SCdac is being ignorant for saying anything can happen and it's not a guarantee that Miami wins?
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The Spurs are just better. Miami could win but it's not likely.
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The 2011 Heat and 2013 Heat are totally different. The 2013 has an actual bench, improved LeBron, and an actual offensive system. The 2011 Heat was just Lebron and Wade taking turns going off. And they had no bench at all. Not to mention Mike Bibby starting at PG. There isn't a team in the league that can beat them 4x times in a 7 game series. Sorry if im not totally sold on the Spurs. But they need to shed the regular season team label they have had the last few seasons.
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[QUOTE=lilgodfather1]2 FMVP + 4 MVP >>>>>>> 2 FMVP[/QUOTE]
5 rings by an MVP winner > 1 ring by an MVP winner.
Kobe was deserving of MVP in 2006 when he didn't win it and was well deserving of it in 2008 as well despite what you say.
Besides number of MVPs isn't really all that significant since it's a media driven award. I think of MVP winners of more like a club... if you're truly great, you'll more than likely get at least 1 MVP but it's not really about how many you win. Not to mention the media tends to boycott those whom they don't like very much after that first MVP, or absolutely wait until the last second to give them one...and they will hand it out multiple times to people they just like personally i.e. Steve Nash or will award it to whoever the best "story of the year" is i.e. Allen Iverson. Shaq, Kobe and Hakeem all only have 1 MVP but have multiple rings which is part of why they're considered to be top 10 players in NBA history, while Moses Malone isn't despite having 3 MVPs he only has 1 ring. Being an MVP winner + number of rings is what get's you recognition.
So while being an MVP is important, number of rings by MVP winners is the standard of which most are judged, not the other way around. Otherwise Moses's 3 MVPs, 1 title would be top 10 all time and he would be ranked ahead of Hakeem, Kobe, Shaq and on par with Magic and Bird. But he's not. In all number of MVPs is just pretty much a popularity vote. If the media doesn't like you, good luck winning more than 1. But there is nothing the media can do to stop an MVP winner from winning multiple championships.
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[QUOTE=Nero Tulip]The Spurs are just better. Miami could win but it's not likely.[/QUOTE]
Its very likely that Miami would win. The Spurs window closed when Duncan left his prime.
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[QUOTE=Ne 1]5 rings by an MVP winner > 1 ring by an MVP winner.
[B]Kobe was deserving of MVP in 2006[/B] when he didn't win it and was well deserving of it in 2008 as well despite what you say.
Besides number of MVPs isn't really all that significant since it's a media driven award. I think of MVP winners of more like a club... if you're truly great, you'll more than likely get at least 1 MVP but it's not really about how many you win. Not to mention the media tends to boycott those whom they don't like very much after that first MVP, or absolutely wait until the last second to give them one...and they will hand it out multiple times to people they just like personally i.e. Steve Nash or will award it to whoever the best "story of the year" is i.e. Allen Iverson. Shaq, Kobe and Hakeem all only have 1 MVP but have multiple rings which is part of why they're considered to be top 10 players in NBA history, while Moses Malone isn't despite having 3 MVPs he only has 1 ring. Being an MVP winner + number of rings is what get's you recognition.
So while being an MVP is important, number of rings by MVP winners is the standard of which most are judged, not the other way around. Otherwise Moses's 3 MVPs, 1 title would be top 10 all time and he would be ranked ahead of Hakeem, Kobe, Shaq and on par with Magic and Bird. But he's not. In all number of MVPs is just pretty much a popularity vote. If the media doesn't like you, good luck winning more than 1. But there is nothing the media can do to stop an MVP winner from winning multiple championships.[/QUOTE]
7th seed. They give Kobe the MVP in 2006, than they have to change the whole criteria for handing out the award.
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Re: Should the league just give up now? No one can beat the Heat.
"Super Teams" ruin the league.
I like parity.
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[QUOTE=wagexslave]"Super Teams" ruin the league.
I like parity.[/QUOTE]
You like something that has never existed, so wrong league
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[QUOTE=lilgodfather1] he wasn't the best player.
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Yeah, the consensus during those years was that Shaq was the best player in the NBA, but if you try using that to discredit Kobe then you also have to remember that the consensus was that Kobe was the second best player in the league starting around the 2001 playoffs. The gap was much larger in 2000, but Kobe was still a top 10 player in the league and the best shooting guard in the league. Kobe's performances and level of play during the 2001 and 2002 playoffs was better than some championship team's first option which is why you can't just judge rings as "first option rings" or "second option rings" without context. Sorry but labeling Kobe's rings in 2001 and 2002 as "not the best player on his team" doesn't do his level of play justice and is diminishing what he actually was ... it was far more a two headed monster in LA in 2001/2002 than it was just Shaq, and his little side-kick Robin aka Kobe Bryant like Kobe haters like to believe.
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[quote]The Heat's combination of talent at the top of the roster is almost unprecedented. [/quote]
Hardly. The 00s Lakers had 2 top 5 players; the 90s Bulls had two top 5 players; the 80s Lakers had two top 5 players (plus a number one pick and HOFer tacked on to that) and the 80s Celtics had three top "something" players (top ten? fifteen? I'm not sure how Parish and McHale ranked at that point).
The Heat meanwhile have the best player, another player toward the bottom of the top 8, and another player toward the bottom of the top 20. They have no center and no point guard. Ray Allen has been about as good and no better than any other starter-ish 2 guard would have been and Rashard Lewis doesn't play. Shane Battier and Joel are offensive nonfactors (in fact liabilities except for Battier's wide open 3s, which he manages to make fewer than 40% of) and they're one of the worst rebounding and interior defensive teams in the league.
Their two best players are the same player and neither of them are very effective outside of fifteen feet. Their third best player is 7 feet tall and is not very effective *inside* of fifteen feet.
I used to think the Heat were too stacked, that the Lakers were, that the 08 Celtics were... but they're really not. That just play great team basketball and have great roleplayers and a couple great stars. How can we ask that our top teams be made any differently? We've proven time and time again you can't just stack a ton of great players and win a title (remember Hakeem + Chuck + Pip? How about Howard + Bryant + Gasol + Nash?). You have to have a team, and your top players are only one part of that dynamic. (And, as the 04 Pistons proved, a totally unnecessary one.)
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Yes. Everybody should give up, especially because ESPN says so and they're always right.
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If the refs dont favor the heat i can see at least 7 teams beating them.
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[QUOTE=wagexslave]"Super Teams" ruin the league.
I like parity.[/QUOTE]
The NBA hasn't had parity in awhile. From 99 until 2010 it mostly Spurs and Lakers taking turns winning titles. The 90s belonged to the Bulls.
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[quote]If the refs dont favor the heat i can see at least 7 teams beating them.[/quote]
I too am struck by how *beatable* the Heat actually are.
They're like the Spurs. The Spurs have the best record in the L come playoff time every year it seems. Yet nobody actually favors them over the Thunder. The Heat are beating up on today's weak league by getting a lot of fastbreaks and Lebron never has to take any shots outside of the paint and it all looks so easy... but guess what... a 7 game series with the Pacers is not going to be that easy. This is not a team that has consistently responded well to challenges. They did often enough last year to get the title, beating an old and battered Celtics team barely in 7 games, and an inexperienced Thunder team whose core was all under 24. (And that series could have gone a lot differently too if not for a fairly egregious no-call.) The Heat can lose to anyone good.
I think they'll just pull out another title, but it won't be a breeze. No way.
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[QUOTE=Clifton]I too am struck by how *beatable* the Heat actually are.
They're like the Spurs. The Spurs have the best record in the L come playoff time every year it seems. Yet nobody actually favors them over the Thunder. The Heat are beating up on today's weak league by getting a lot of fastbreaks and Lebron never has to take any shots outside of the paint and it all looks so easy... but guess what... a 7 game series with the Pacers is not going to be that easy. This is not a team that has consistently responded well to challenges. [B]They did often enough last year to get the title, beating an old and battered Celtics team barely in 7 games, and an inexperienced Thunder team whose core was all under 24. (And that series could have gone a lot differently too if not for a fairly egregious no-call.) The Heat can lose to anyone good. [/B]
I think they'll just pull out another title, but it won't be a breeze. No way.[/QUOTE]
Nice job coming off as a biased little b.itch. You do know the Thunder played in the WCF the season before, right? And the Heat were missing Bosh for most of the Celtics series. Not to mention Wade had knee injury the whole playoffs. And using the refs to defend OKC is a joke. Durant gets the most love from the refs out of any superstar in the league
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[QUOTE=SilkkTheShocker]7th seed. They give Kobe the MVP in 2006, than they have to change the whole criteria for handing out the award.[/QUOTE]
Well if you don't think leading your team with a lineup of Smush Parker, Luke Walton, Lamar Odom and Kwame Brown to the playoffs with 45 wins (0-2 in the games without him) in the most stacked conference in NBA history while putting up 36/5/5/2 on 56 TS% 45 FG% isn't deserving of MVP then I don't know what to tell you.
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Will bump when the Clippers win the championship.