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If Kobe Can't Win It All in 2013 Then He Should NOT Be Top 10
Kobe stans can no longer hate on the Lebron parade for him being on a stacked team. The Lakers are easily the most stacked team in recent memory. In comparison, if this was the late 90s, they would have the best SG (Jordan), the best center (The Dream), and 2nd best PG (Stockton) on their team.
If Kobe can't win it all this year, I don't see how he can even be in the top 10. I know the argument will be "Oh he's got 5 rings." That is just a generic argument. Robert Horry has 8 rings and that does not reflect the [B]SUBSTANCE[/B] of his real contributions on the court. Karl Malone is one of the greatest players I have ever seen but he has absolutely no rings.
Just real talk.
Kobe just aint got it if he can't pull this one off.
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lol wtf...
when was the last time a guy in his 17th season won finals mvp
its never happend
kobe will be the first. so if he doesnt do it... its not like its a huge failure
lebron lost with 2 other hall of famers in their prime ( and himself in his prime ) to dallas with just basically dirk playing anywhere near his prime. and the only other HOF'r ( kidd ) not near an allstar level
plus... the heat are almost just as stacked as LA.
so itel be kobe/nash/howard/artest/jamison vs lebron/wade/bosh/lewis/allen
i say the lakers are better. but its not like the lakers have as big an advantage as the heat had over dallas in 2011 AND STILL LOST
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so by the OP's logit. theres no way lebron should ever be top 10[/B]
:lol
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Kobe's already a top 10 player of all-time and he's already proven that he doesn't need this stacked of a team to win.
The only one who's legacy can really be hurt by this scenario is Dwight. For Kobe, it's just icing on an already great cake.
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They have a very good team, but let's not act like Kobe, Nash, Gasol, and Artest are all in their primes. If they were, you would have jumped off the Heat bandwagon and hopped on the LA's.:lol There's your tell-tale sign that they are not the heavy favorites to win it all.
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Kobe's legacy is set already as a top 7-10 player of all-time.
Anything he does now is just gravy to his resume.
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Why does it matter? Even if he does win, none of the haters (including you OP) will give him any credit anyway. He's top 10 already and will be regardless.
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[QUOTE=IamRAMBO24]Kobe stans can no longer hate on the Lebron parade for him being on a stacked team. The Lakers are easily the most stacked team in recent memory. In comparison, if this was the late 90s, they would have the best SG (Jordan), the best center (The Dream), and [B]2nd best PG (Stockton) on their team.[/B]
If Kobe can't win it all this year, I don't see how he can even be in the top 10. I know the argument will be "Oh he's got 5 rings." That is just a generic argument. [B][SIZE="5"]Robert Horry has [SIZE="7"]8 [/SIZE]rings[/SIZE][/B] and that does not reflect the [B]SUBSTANCE[/B] of his real contributions on the court. Karl Malone is one of the greatest players I have ever seen but he has absolutely no rings.
Just real talk.
Kobe just aint got it if he can't pull this one off.[/QUOTE]
:facepalm
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[QUOTE=Ne 1]Kobe's already a top 10 player of all-time and he's already proven that he doesn't need this stacked of a team to win.
The only one who's legacy can really be hurt by this scenario is Dwight. For Kobe, it's just icing on an already great cake.[/QUOTE]
I disagree. This is Kobe's team. He has made that clear.
Let's get away from all the rubbish talk with materialistic accolades like rings and stats.
Real talk.
Kobe just aint that great if he can't take this team to the championship. Period. He is not playing injured; he is still in his older prime; he's got them legs.
The big cloud on Kobe's head is whether or not he is a true leader. [B]Remember more than half of those rings belong to Shaq.[/B]
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[QUOTE=kennethgriffin]lol wtf...
when was the last time a guy in his 17th season won finals mvp
its never happend
kobe will be the first. so if he doesnt do it... its not like its a huge failure
lebron lost with 2 other hall of famers in their prime ( and himself in his prime ) to dallas with just basically dirk playing anywhere near his prime. and the only other HOF'r ( kidd ) not near an allstar level
plus... the heat are almost just as stacked as LA.
so itel be kobe/nash/howard/artest/jamison vs lebron/wade/bosh/lewis/allen
i say the lakers are better. but its not like the lakers have as big an advantage as the heat had over dallas in 2011 AND STILL LOST
[B]
so by the OP's logit. theres no way lebron should ever be top 10[/B]
:lol[/QUOTE]
No dumbsh*t.
Lebron has a ring. The question is will Kobe get one with this stacked of a team.
Dude it's just sad if he doesn't get one. You can take Iverson out of retirement and have him chuck up balls in the corner and still win a ring with this team.
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[QUOTE=IamRAMBO24]No dumbsh*t.
Lebron has a ring. The question is will Kobe get one with this stacked of a team.
Dude it's just sad if he doesn't get one. You can take Iverson out of retirement and have him chuck up balls in the corner and still win a ring with this team.[/QUOTE]
kobe has rings too... with allot less help
lol
you're quote was "if you lose"
lebron lost with even more of an advantage in 2011
you lose
:lol
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If Kobe Win It All in 2013 Then He Should Be The GOAT..
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Something is seriously wrong on this site.
The Lakers aren't even the most talented team in the league lol.
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[QUOTE=pegasus]They have a very good team, but let's not act like Kobe, Nash, Gasol, and Artest are all in their primes. I[B]f they were, you would have jumped off the Heat bandwagon and hopped on the LA's.:lol [/B] There's your tell-tale sign that they are not the heavy favorites to win it all.[/QUOTE]
A point that doesn't get brought much at all, how can u take someone seriously as a heat "fan" when most heat "fans" join dates are suspiciously the same month and year as the decision. I remember some poster telling some elaborate story where he just so happened to join on Jul 2010 because of NBA live or something, :facepalm
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[QUOTE=IamRAMBO24]I disagree. This is Kobe's team. He has made that clear.
Let's get away from all the rubbish talk with materialistic accolades like rings and stats.
Real talk.
Kobe just aint that great if he can't take this team to the championship. Period. He is not playing injured; he is still in his older prime; he's got them legs.
The big cloud on Kobe's head is whether or not he is a true leader. [B]Remember more than half of those rings belong to Shaq.[/B][/QUOTE]
AND......real talk......."true leader" or not, [B][U]remember more than half of Lebron's ring belongs to BOTH Wade/Bosh[/U][/B]:lol
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Come on dude. Legacy is built on what has been achieved, not what has not been achieved.
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[QUOTE=IamRAMBO24]I disagree. This is Kobe's team. He has made that clear.
Let's get away from all the rubbish talk with materialistic accolades like rings and stats.
Real talk.
Kobe just aint that great if he can't take this team to the championship. Period. He is not playing injured; he is still in his older prime; he's got them legs.
The big cloud on Kobe's head is whether or not he is a true leader. [B]Remember more than half of those rings belong to Shaq.[/B][/QUOTE]
and if the Lakers do win the championship let me guess that ring would belong to Dwight.
:roll:
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Like somebody else said, someone that shoots 6-24 in a game 7 NBA finals shouldn't be top ten. For the last two years the Kobe stans have slowly put Kobe in the top ten, with constantly referring him as a top ten every where they could. It's very effective. Two years ago Kobe was referred to as a top 15 to 20 players by many unbiased fans who now say he's top ten, mean while during that time he has been sweaped by Dallas, and had those choke jobs in Dallas. He's a 41% career finals shooter, who unlike every other top 10 player doesn't have defining moments where he just stepped it up and put the team un his back. The only Lakers who has done that during Kobe's time is Fisher, hitting clutch shots and Shaq completely stepping it up during the Finals.
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[QUOTE=jstern]Two years ago Kobe was referred to as a top 15 to 20 players by many unbiased fans who now say he's top ten [/QUOTE]
Simply not true. A lot of people were putting him in the top 10 after '09, and it was basically unanimous after 2010
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OP is very narrow minded.
:facepalm
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top 10 is subjective.....
he can still be top 10 and it would be easy to see why....
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[QUOTE=jstern][B]Like somebody else said, someone that shoots 6-24 in a game 7 NBA finals shouldn't be top ten.[/B] For the last two years the Kobe stans have slowly put Kobe in the top ten, with constantly referring him as a top ten every where they could. It's very effective. Two years ago Kobe was referred to as a top 15 to 20 players by many unbiased fans who now say he's top ten, mean while during that time he has been sweaped by Dallas, and had those choke jobs in Dallas. He's a 41% career finals shooter, who unlike every other top 10 player doesn't have defining moments where he just stepped it up and put the team un his back. The only Lakers who has done that during Kobe's time is Fisher, hitting clutch shots and Shaq completely stepping it up during the Finals.[/QUOTE]
I guess Jordan shouldn't be top ten since he shot 6-19 in a close out NBA Finals.:rolleyes:
Players should be judge by their body of work. Kobe's resume is easily among the ten best in NBA history.
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[QUOTE=game3524]I guess Jordan shouldn't be top ten since he shot 6-19 in a close out NBA Finals.:rolleyes:
Players should be judge by their body of work. Kobe's resume is easily among the ten best in NBA history.[/QUOTE]
Wow, Jordan would have to brick 5 shots in a row just to match Kobe's.
Somebody else said that about Kobe, my reason and point is that Kobe has no defining movements like the typical top 10 players. Like the Olajuwon's, Bird's, and Jordan's. In fact he has a lot of moments of others in his team stepping it up and bailing him out.
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[QUOTE=kennethgriffin]lol wtf...
when was the last time a guy in his 17th season won finals mvp
its never happend
kobe will be the first. so if he doesnt do it... its not like its a huge failure
lebron lost with 2 other hall of famers in their prime ( and himself in his prime ) to dallas with just basically dirk playing anywhere near his prime. and the only other HOF'r ( kidd ) not near an allstar level
plus... the heat are almost just as stacked as LA.
so itel be kobe/nash/howard/artest/jamison vs lebron/wade/bosh/lewis/allen
i say the lakers are better. but its not like the lakers have as big an advantage as the heat had over dallas in 2011 AND STILL LOST
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so by the OP's logit. theres no way lebron should ever be top 10[/B]
:lol[/QUOTE]
Umm why did you not include Gasol?
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[QUOTE=jstern]Wow, Jordan would have to brick 5 shots in a row just to match Kobe's.
Somebody else said that about Kobe, my reason and point is that Kobe has no defining movements like the typical top 10 players. Like the Olajuwon's, Bird's, and Jordan's. In fact he has a lot of moments of others in his team stepping it up and bailing him out.[/QUOTE]
What are Kareem's finals moments?
What are Bill Russell's finals moments?
What the hell is a Finals moment? :roll:
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[QUOTE=jstern]Wow, Jordan would have to brick 5 shots in a row just to match Kobe's.
Somebody else said that about Kobe, my reason and point is that Kobe has no defining movements like the typical top 10 players. Like the Olajuwon's, Bird's, and Jordan's. In fact he has a lot of moments of others in his team stepping it up and bailing him out.[/QUOTE]
81 points against a Canadian team.
Kobe = #1 Laker and Greatest Player of All-Time.
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[QUOTE=jstern]Wow, Jordan would have to brick 5 shots in a row just to match Kobe's.
Somebody else said that about Kobe, my reason and point is that Kobe has no defining movements like the typical top 10 players. Like the Olajuwon's, Bird's, and Jordan's. In fact he has a lot of moments of others in his team stepping it up and bailing him out.[/QUOTE]
6-19 is still terrible anyway you try to spin it.
Kobe shot poorly in game 7 of that series, but he contributed in other areas of the game(rebounding and defense).
and lmao at saying Kobe has no defining moments.
The man scored 81 points!
20 years from now, people are still going to remember that over anything Hakeem and maybe even Bird did.
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Your "legacy" can't go backwards on anyone's list based on what happens in the future just for the sake of those happenings themselves.
Now what CAN be logical is if something that happens in the future that makes you realize that you were overrating (or underrating) the player in the past.
Like, if for instance, Westbrook (just a random player i thought of) gets hurt next year and OKC still makes the WCF. Some people may then come to the conclusion that they over valued Westbrook and that he is not as good as they once thought, and I would not blame them.
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[QUOTE=kennethgriffin][B]kobe has rings too... with allot less help[/B]
lol
you're quote was "if you lose"
lebron lost with even more of an advantage in 2011
you lose
:lol[/QUOTE]
i LOL'd
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[QUOTE=jstern]Wow, Jordan would have to brick 5 shots in a row just to match Kobe's.
Somebody else said that about Kobe, my reason and point is that Kobe has no defining movements like the typical top 10 players. Like the Olajuwon's, Bird's, and Jordan's. In fact he has a lot of moments of others in his team stepping it up and bailing him out.[/QUOTE]
And you can rank those players above Kobe and he would still be top 10.
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[QUOTE=game3524]6-19 is still terrible anyway you try to spin it.
Kobe shot poorly in game 7 of that series, but he contributed in other areas of the game(rebounding and defense).
and lmao at saying Kobe has no defining moments.
The man scored 81 points!
20 years from now, people are still going to remember that over anything Hakeem and maybe even Bird did.[/QUOTE]
When people talk about defying moments where the player got in the zone and took over to beat a team in a series when everything looked doubtful, hitting clutch shots after clutch shots in those situations. They're always talking about the playoff, not some meaningless game against the worst team in the league. The regular season was the furthest thing from my mind.
Nobody talks about Jordan's 69 points as one of those moments, and other such regular season games, it's in the playoffs. That clutch steal by bird to beat the Pistons. The Flu game, Jordan's last shot. Those kinds of moments, on a big stage. Not against the Raptors who cared so little about that regular season game that they were barely lifting their hand up whenever Kobe shot.
Even Lebron has bigger moments. Kobe has had the opposite, like those 4 air balls against Utahs. It's the opposite of those moments that I'm talking about.
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[QUOTE=jstern]When people talk about defying moments where the player got in the zone and took over to beat a team in a series when everything looked doubtful, hitting clutch shots after clutch shots in those situations. They're always talking about the playoff, not some meaningless game against the worst team in the league. The regular season was the furthest thing from my mind.
Nobody talks about Jordan's 69 points as one of those moments, and other such regular season games, it's in the playoffs. That clutch steal by bird to beat the Pistons. The Flu game, Jordan's last shot. Those kinds of moments, on a big stage. Not against the Raptors who cared so little about that regular season game that they were barely lifting their hand up whenever Kobe shot.
Even Lebron has bigger moments. Kobe has had the opposite, like those 4 air balls against Utahs. It's the opposite of those moments that I'm talking about.[/QUOTE]
You're dumber than I thought if you don't think Kobe has had memorable PLAYOFF games/moments. Wow
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[QUOTE=jstern]When people talk about defying moments where the player got in the zone and took over to beat a team in a series when everything looked doubtful, hitting clutch shots after clutch shots in those situations. They're always talking about the playoff, not some meaningless game against the worst team in the league. The regular season was the furthest thing from my mind.
Nobody talks about Jordan's 69 points as one of those moments, and other such regular season games, it's in the playoffs. That clutch steal by bird to beat the Pistons. The Flu game, Jordan's last shot. Those kinds of moments, on a big stage. Not against the Raptors who cared so little about that regular season game that they were barely lifting their hand up whenever Kobe shot.
[B][U]Even Lebron has bigger moments.[/U][/B] Kobe has had the opposite, like those 4 air balls against Utahs. It's the opposite of those moments that I'm talking about.[/QUOTE]
That's your whole point right there in that one sentence. Yeah...so we all should be enamored with Lebron, beasting out 45 points....IN A GAME 6.....to beat a Boston team, many had them already sweeping? "But no....no....no....no....no....Kobe has no defining moments." GTFOH:roll:
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[QUOTE=LakersReign]That's your whole point right there in that one sentence. Yeah...so we all should be enamored with Lebron, beasting out 45 points....IN A GAME 6.....to beat a Boston team, many had them already sweeping? "But no....no....no....no....no....Kobe has no defining moments." GTFOH:roll:[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=chazzy]You're dumber than I thought if you don't think Kobe has had memorable PLAYOFF games/moments. Wow[/QUOTE]
Yeah, that is flat-out nonsense.
Against the Spurs in 2001 and 2002, his playoff runs in 2008, 2009, and 2010 etc.
Kobe has had some memorable moments in the playoffs.
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His legacy has already been set in stone, he can only add to his resume at this point. NEXT
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[QUOTE=LakersReign][IMG]http://i48.tinypic.com/29fy1p0.gif[/IMG][/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=LakersReign]CAN'T explain why you're(rrr3) so butthurt over my posts that you LIE and say are so supposedly unintentionally funny huh? Big surprise:hammerhead:[/QUOTE]
LOL this foo' has negative reputation, so much for "reasonable people" taking you seriously :lol
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But...why you(rrr3) so mad(since December 2011), over my posts that you...yourself(rrr3) CLAIM(lie) are so supposedly unintentionally funny?:lol
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[QUOTE=LakersReign]That's your whole point right there in that one sentence. Yeah...so we all should be enamored with Lebron, beasting out 45 points....IN A GAME 6.....to beat a Boston team, many had them already sweeping? "But no....no....no....no....no....Kobe has no defining moments." GTFOH:roll:[/QUOTE]
:biggums:
Wow, you say IN A GAME 6, like you are trying to say it is meaningless, lol.
...A win or go home Game 6 is the second most important game possible, behind a game 7.
Cocaine is a hell of a drug.