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And it only took Kobe until he was 34 to crush MJ's turnover total that he spent 40 years of his life to reach.
Even more impressively, Kobe reached 2,924 turnovers at just 31 years old in his 14th season. So, it actually took Kobe 9 fewer years to surpass Jordan in career total turnovers.
:bowdown: :bowdown:
Totally expected. And so is this embarrassing record by kobe the stringbean bryant:
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=286879&page=2[/url]
[b] Kobe has missed 15,296++ shots. The most in NBA history. [/b]
:roll: :roll:
LOL haters try soooooooo hard.
If Kobe has a longevity record that's positive haters say " well he played long enough he was bound to break it" or "longevity records mean squat"
But when Kobe has a longevity record that's negative those same haters are the first to point it out
He breaks negative records years and years before he breaks the positive ones.
That's because he sucks in regards to being heavily overrated, and is just a chucking shotjacking fool who takes more shots than anyone in the league year to year. He has low basketball IQ, poor decision making on the floor, and isn't nearly as good as his stans make him out to be.
Stupid player - which is a direct reflection of his stans
kobe playing through a much tougher defensive era :confusedshrug:
players are more athletic, coaches have better strategies, and zone defenses are allowed...
for jordan to have more than 2000 turnovers in such an easy era is astounding
[QUOTE=Hank]He breaks negative records years and years before he breaks the positive ones.
That's because he sucks in regards to being heavily overrated, and is just a chucking shotjacking fool who takes more shots than anyone in the league year to year. He has low basketball IQ, poor decision making on the floor, and isn't nearly as good as his stans make him out to be.
Stupid player - which is a direct reflection of his stans[/QUOTE]
Heat007, how mad does it make you that Wade is no where near regarded as great of a player as Kobe "Stringbean" Bryant?
[QUOTE=Deuce Bigalow]Heat007, how mad does it make you that Wade is no where near regarded as great of a player as Kobe "Stringbean" Bryant?[/QUOTE]
According to who? lol. You and ESPN? Also if you want to go by ESPN they already think Lebron has surpassed Kobe.
[QUOTE=HorryIsMyMVP]According to who? lol. You and ESPN? Also if you want to go by ESPN they already think Lebron has surpassed Kobe.[/QUOTE]
The majority of the population, "experts", media. I'm not just talking this year, all-time as well. Just google all time nba rankings if you don't believe me. We just had a top 100 list voted by ISH, Kobe was 8th, Wade 29th.
[QUOTE=Deuce Bigalow]The majority of the population, "experts", media. I'm not just talking this year, all-time as well. Just google all time nba rankings if you don't believe me. We just had a top 100 list voted by ISH, Kobe was 8th, Wade 29th.[/QUOTE]
I'm saying while the majority might think Wade is inferior to Kobe. The majority also believes Lebron> Kobe career. I'm not saying it is right but it is what they believe.
[QUOTE=HorryIsMyMVP]I'm saying while the majority might think Wade is inferior to Kobe. The majority also believes Lebron> Kobe career. I'm not saying it is right but it is what they believe.[/QUOTE]
The majority doesn't think that. Find me list that has Lebron ahead of Kobe all time.
[QUOTE=TheMarkMadsen]LOL haters try soooooooo hard.
If Kobe has a longevity record that's positive haters say " well he played long enough he was bound to break it" or "longevity records mean squat"
But when Kobe has a longevity record that's negative those same haters are the first to point it out[/QUOTE]
This was a reaction thread created because the Kobe Stan "Yao Ming's Foot" brought how Kobe was 3 assists away from passing Jordan.
YMF also went on type bullshit as usual, spawning this argument.
Bro, at least look at the ilk you roll with.
[QUOTE=Deuce Bigalow]The majority doesn't think that. Find me list that has Lebron ahead of Kobe all time.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKYyAC6PGvA[/url]
[QUOTE=selrahc][I][B]kobe playing through a much tougher defensive era [/B][/I]:confusedshrug:
players are more athletic, coaches have better strategies, and zone defenses are allowed...
for jordan to have more than 2000 turnovers in such an easy era is astounding[/QUOTE]
:roll:
This era is much much weaker than the 90s in every aspect, its time to stop posting junk posts.
:no:
[QUOTE=selrahc][B]kobe playing through a much tougher defensive era :confusedshrug:[/B]
players are more athletic, coaches have better strategies, and zone defenses are allowed...
for jordan to have more than 2000 turnovers in such an easy era is astounding[/QUOTE][SIZE="7"]Stop saying this bullshit! It's completely false! Retards will start thinking it's true when everyone knows for a fact that it isn't.
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[QUOTE=Deuce Bigalow]The majority doesn't think that. Find me list that has Lebron ahead of Kobe all time.[/QUOTE]Raises hand. And I don't like either player.
[QUOTE=Glide2keva][SIZE="7"]Stop saying this bullshit! It's completely false! Retards will start thinking it's true when everyone knows for a fact that it isn't.
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Dont worry, no one will think that
[QUOTE=bukowski81]Dont worry, no one will think that[/QUOTE]
Man, you'd be surprised. I talk to people who claim to know basketball and they sound just like these idiots. I usually just murder their logic and leave them looking stupid. But it's spreading.
[QUOTE=Glide2keva]Man, you'd be surprised. I talk to people who claim to know basketball and they sound just like these idiots. I usually just murder their logic and leave them looking stupid. But it's spreading.[/QUOTE]
Why is it if you ranked Jordan and Kobe's playoff opponents by defensive rating that 20 out of the best 22 defenses faced were Kobe opponents?
[B]04 Spurs 94.1
99 Spurs 95.0
04 Pistons 95.4
01 Spurs 98.0
01 76ers 98.9
08 Celtics 98.9
00 Suns 99.0
04 Rockets 99.0
02 Nets 99.5
01 Kings 99.6
04 Twolves 99.7
02 Spurs 99.7
03 Spurs 99.7[/B]
93 Knicks 99.7
97 Heat 100.6
[B]00 Blazers 100.8
02 Kings 101.1
98 Pacers 101.6
08 Spurs 101.8
01 Blazers 101.8
09 Magic 101.9
00 Kings 102.1
[/B]
MJ vs 97 Heat
Game 1 15 for 31
Game 2 4 for 15
Game 3 14 for 25
Game 4 9 for 35
Game 5 11 for 31
MJ vs 93 Knicks
Game 1 10 for 27
Game 2 12 for 32
Game 3 3 for 18
Game 4 18 for 30
Game 5 11 for 24
Game 6 8 for 24
[QUOTE=HorryIsMyMVP][url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKYyAC6PGvA[/url][/QUOTE]
That was at point in time, not all time.
[QUOTE=Deuce Bigalow]That was at point in time, not all time.[/QUOTE]
That was before Lebron won his ring. :applause:
[QUOTE=HorryIsMyMVP]That was before Lebron won his ring. :applause:[/QUOTE]
West then retracted that statement later that same year. :lol
[U]Jordan, at age 28, in the 1991 playoffs[/U] (opponents DRtg - 106):
[COLOR="Red"][B]32/6/6 on 54% shooting[/B][/COLOR]
[U]Kobe, at age 28, in the 2007 playoffs[/U] (opponents DRtg - 106):
[B]32/6/5 on 46% shooting[/B]
[U]Jordan, at age 30, in the 1993 playoffs[/U] (opponents DRtg - 105):
[COLOR="Red"][B]35.1ppg, .475%fg, 6.7reb, 6.0ast[/B][/COLOR]
[U]Kobe, at age 30, in the 2009 playoffs[/U] (opponents DRtg - 105):
[B]30.2ppg, .457%fg, 5.3reb, 5.5ast[/B]
[U]Jordan, at age 33, in the '96 playoffs[/U] (opponents DRtg - 105):
[COLOR="Red"][B]30.7ppg, .459%fg, 4.9reb, 4.1ast[/B][/COLOR]
[U]Kobe, at age 32, in the 2011 playoffs[/U] (opponents DRtg - 106):
[B]22.8ppg, .446%fg, 3.4reb, 3.4ast
[/B]
[U]Jordan, at age 34, in the '97 playoffs[/U] (opponents DRtg - 102):
[COLOR="Red"][B]31.1ppg, .456%fg, 7.9reb, 4.8ast[/B][/COLOR]
[U]Kobe, at age 33, in the 2012 playoffs[/U] (opponents DRtg - 104):
[B]30.0ppg, .439%fg, 4.8reb, 4.3ast[/B]
:confusedshrug:
[QUOTE=Ne 1]West then retracted that statement later that same year. :lol[/QUOTE]
Of course he did, the outrage from Lakersnation, particularly from the Mamba boys forced him to.
[QUOTE=Yao Ming's Foot]Why is it if you ranked Jordan and Kobe's playoff opponents by defensive rating that 20 out of the best 22 defenses faced were Kobe opponents?
[B]04 Spurs 94.1
99 Spurs 95.0
04 Pistons 95.4
01 Spurs 98.0
01 76ers 98.9
08 Celtics 98.9
00 Suns 99.0
04 Rockets 99.0
02 Nets 99.5
01 Kings 99.6
04 Twolves 99.7
02 Spurs 99.7
03 Spurs 99.7[/B]
93 Knicks 99.7
97 Heat 100.6
[B]00 Blazers 100.8
02 Kings 101.1
98 Pacers 101.6
08 Spurs 101.8
01 Blazers 101.8
09 Magic 101.9
00 Kings 102.1
[/QUOTE]
Makes sense. 1999-2004 was the toughest defensive era of the last 25 years.
[QUOTE=RRR3]Of course he did, the outrage from Lakersnation, particularly from the Mamba boys forced him to.[/QUOTE]
What did he say?
[QUOTE=RRR3]Of course he did, the outrage from Lakersnation, particularly from the Mamba boys forced him to.[/QUOTE]
West probably said that in the regular season, but then the Playoffs happened and Kobe dominated the last 2 rounds of the Playoffs he was like ugh...nevermind.
Didn't West say Kobe was he greatest Laker ever the next year?
[QUOTE=Hank]He breaks negative records years and years before he breaks the positive ones.
That's because he sucks in regards to being heavily overrated, and is just a chucking shotjacking fool who takes more shots than anyone in the league year to year. He has low basketball IQ, poor decision making on the floor, and isn't nearly as good as his stans make him out to be.
Stupid player - which is a direct reflection of his stans[/QUOTE]
u mad lebrons not top 10:roll:
[QUOTE=HorryIsMyMVP]That was before Lebron won his ring. :applause:[/QUOTE]One ring in a lockout season? Nobody has him over Kobe right now.
[QUOTE=talkingconch]u mad lebrons not top 10:roll:[/QUOTE]
Heat007 (Hank) is a D-Wade Stan. Mad that Kobe is always regarded as a better player than Wade.
[QUOTE=Ne 1]Makes sense. 1999-2004 was the slowest era of the last 25 years, therefore less possessions and better DRatings.[/QUOTE]
fixed it for you
[IMG]http://arturogalletti.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/possesions-per-game-table.png[/IMG]
^great post. shows how much tougher the defense is that kobe has to face then jordan. even still, kobe is getting it done in his 17th season :rockon:
Are their people that still believe a faster pace, higher league average PPG, etc. automatically means defenses of that era were weaker?
[QUOTE=Deuce Bigalow]West probably said that in the regular season, but then the Playoffs happened and Kobe dominated the last 2 rounds of the Playoffs he was like ugh...nevermind.
Didn't West say Kobe was he greatest Laker ever the next year?[/QUOTE]
No, he said this in the playoffs (May 19th). And the retraction was a lot more about outrage/politics than Kobe outplaying LeBron, given that
a)LeBron played like a man possessed in those playoffs, yes even better than Kobe despite Kobe winning the title
b)The conviction with which Jerry West initially made these statements. Here's the video [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKYyAC6PGvA[/url]
On more than one occassion he says "easily LeBron James" or "no question in my mind it's LeBron" - that doesn't sound like someone who's changing his mind in a week without some arm twisting.
[QUOTE=Legends66NBA7]This was a reaction thread created because the Kobe Stan "Yao Ming's Foot" brought how Kobe was 3 assists away from passing Jordan.
YMF also went on type bullshit as usual, spawning this argument.
Bro, at least look at the ilk you roll with.[/QUOTE]
Don't understand how this isn't obvious to some people. Threads were made in the same day...
Ne 1 - worst poster on this site ?
[QUOTE=Deuce Bigalow]how mad does it make you that Wade is no where near regarded as great of a player as Kobe "Stringbean" Bryant?[/QUOTE]
And how does it feel that Wade's 2 of three finals performances are all better than anything Kobe has ever done? I dont need your or somebody's else opinion to tell me who is the better player. Wade is more pollished player than Kobe and he will always be.
[QUOTE=Deuce Bigalow]Heat007, how mad does it make you that Wade is no where near regarded as great of a player as Kobe "Stringbean" Bryant?[/QUOTE]
I think he pretty mad tho?
[QUOTE=selrahc]kobe playing through a much tougher defensive era :confusedshrug:
players are more athletic, coaches have better strategies, and zone defenses are allowed...
for jordan to have more than 2000 turnovers in such an easy era is astounding[/QUOTE]
Everything you said is true. But this era is made for perimeter players to excel. Anything to find the new Jordan. The rule changes ****ed over interior/perimeter defenders.
[QUOTE=TheMarkMadsen]LOL haters try soooooooo hard.
If Kobe has a longevity record that's positive haters say " well he played long enough he was bound to break it" or "longevity records mean squat"
But when Kobe has a longevity record that's negative those same haters are the first to point it out[/QUOTE]
When I read the post I was thinking that when Kobe breaks a positive record that was due to his longevity the Kobe lovers absolute crow about it, make a bunch of threads, constantly bring it up, etc. But when he breaks a negative record they are always using his longevity as an excuse as to why it should be swept under the rug.