In light of tonight's brawl between the Flames & Canucks I wanted to ask the question: why is it that hockey players get away with fighting yet in basketball [and other major sports] small scuffles are treated like major offenses?
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In light of tonight's brawl between the Flames & Canucks I wanted to ask the question: why is it that hockey players get away with fighting yet in basketball [and other major sports] small scuffles are treated like major offenses?
It's usually mid-tier or scrubs who fight in hockey. If someone so much as breathes on Cindy Crosby or Alex Ovechkin then Gary Bettman bans the player from the league and sends their family to a gulag.
Side note: the creator of this thread is openly racist.
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A little fighting is good to clear emotions in a game.. in an NBA game players hold back until theyre really sick of whats ever going on and they explode causing a big scuffle spreading across the court
There's ettiquette in hockey fighting.. theyre on skates so its always in a small stretch of ice, they throw punches and grab/block.. its pretty simple on skates. First to go down and fight is over. No 'retaliation' or gang jumpings. Its fair and settles the dispute and makes sure pent up rage doesnt make a player do something he may regret.
When youre out on a bball court you could have these guys chasing each other going everywhere, diving at each other, running around.. its just too wild and uncontrolled. Plus there would be no ettituquette like in hockey.. and they dont have pads and helmets on so it would likely be more dangerous. Just not a good idea for basketball based on how it operates:oldlol:
The only people who say there shouldn't be fighting in hockey are non-hockey fans. It's a statement I find to be pretty offensive quite honestly.
Also, even if NBA players were allowed to fight, there probably wouldn't be that many of them.
Because white ppl like to watch fighting as long as it's not black people beating up white ppl or vice versa?
You know, I think sports fans these days would rather see athletes take passive-aggressive shots at each other over twitter than actually fight like men.
i played hockey my whole life, still play in men's leagues here and there.
it's just a part of the game. As another poster said the fights don't usually get too out of control.
the fighting is the only entertaining aspect of that sport
I'll admit I seen that fight. It was pretty cool.
Their grown men, millionaires. Let them fight. If you guys think NBA players don't associate with each other outside of basketball in their intense battles together on the court you're insane. I don't think it should be allowed but don't fine them and penalize them.
because no one gives a shit about hockey
[QUOTE]Is the sport so boring that it actually needs fights to keep interest? [/QUOTE]This
hockey was the first sort i fell in love with not sure why people think its boring. Yea there are low scoring games but the game is has a good fast flowing pace. There are low scoring 1-0 or 2-1 games that were far more entertaining than higher scoring games.
[QUOTE=Go Getter]In light of tonight's brawl between the Flames & Canucks I wanted to ask the question: why is it that hockey players get away with fighting yet in basketball [and other major sports] small scuffles are treated like major offenses?[/QUOTE]
Is that hypocrisy? Most of the people replying will know more about the NHL than me, I only care about the Bruins and then only when they're going for the Cup. Just asking because I don't see hypocrisy in your statement, that's just them permitting more violence than other sports. I don't think their punishments will end fighting like the NBA has but are they saying they have a hard stance against fighting?
[QUOTE=MMM]hockey was the first sort i fell in love with not sure why people think its boring. Yea there are low scoring games but the game is has a good fast flowing pace. There are low scoring 1-0 or 2-1 games that were far more entertaining than higher scoring games.[/QUOTE]
because people don't know it.
People don't watch the sport = people think its boring. Just like how most americans view soccer.
Because its extremely hard to fight on ice. Fighting on a hard surface is entirely more dangerous. In hockey, once a player falls to the ice the fight is over.
[QUOTE=iggy>]Because its extremely hard to fight on ice. Fighting on a hard surface is entirely more dangerous. In hockey, once a player falls to the ice the fight is over.[/QUOTE]
One would thinking having gloves, sticks and fighting on ice would be more dangerous than hardwood.
[QUOTE=Just2McFly]One would thinking having gloves, sticks and fighting on ice would be more dangerous than hardwood.[/QUOTE]
It's very hard to land significant blows while sliding on ice. Players have to hold each others Jersey's just to keep their balance.
So the reasoning behind fighting allowed in hockey is...just because it is. :oldlol:
Only cool part about hockey is fighting and some guy weaving thru players and scoring. But I always wondered why fighting is allowed in the sport. Its not like the guys fight and its broken up. In fact you know a fight will happen and the zebras just waits for the first person to get KO'd or dropped. Why let them fight to begin with?
I can't get into hockey, no clue about the sport so it seems like the game would watch me more than me it. My friend asked me to go to the Flyers game yesterday, had suite tickets. I declined. I have no idea what I'm watching.
[QUOTE=Heavincent]You know, I think sports fans these days would rather see athletes take passive-aggressive shots at each other over twitter than actually fight like men.[/QUOTE]
There's a large nugget of truth to that.
Dudes have big padded gloves and helmets on.
They are on ice skates.
There is a glass barrier between fans and players.
Fights are mostly one on one.
There are three reasons for fighting in hockey and the first reason is for a way for players to police themselves. When a shit disturber is slashing, late hits or taking cheap shots at a star player and the ref doesn't see it or won't blow the whistle, the star player's teammate came come in and initiate a fight to keep the shithead in check.
The league is trying to stop this, because now they have a instigating rule, where if you start the fight, you get an extra two minutes in the box. Which is stupid, because now there are lot more cheap shots happening by smaller players and they refuse to fight, because they know they'll be killed, but they know that rule will protect them and their coach will be glad that they instigated the other team to get an instigating penalty. :facepalm
The second reason is psychological. When your team is down by the score, and you're getting out shot, out hit, out hustle, and just plain losing; you need a spark to give your team some energy. So you start a fight and if you win it, it's a moral boost to your team. They get jacked up.
The last reason is just pure revenge from a past incident.
hockey is the toughest most exciting sport by far. nothing more exciting then being down one goal with a minute left pulling your goalie and scoring that tying goal. or just a well set up goal. Gobb you missed a great game last night high scoring flyers games are so much fun. also about the fighting if you have guys hitting you that hard all night long frustration builds up and you handle it. like others have said it sparks your team i've seen teams down 2 goals their player wins a fight and they come back. also gobb i'm sure living in philly you've heard about the broad street bullies? the team in the 70's that beat their way to 2 stanley cups. heres a great hour long HBO documentary about them [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJgMQDkyJH0[/url] hockey players are by far the toughest out of all the 4 major sports to play such a physically demanding game for 82 games a season is ridiculous, hockey players are a different breed.
[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green]Is that hypocrisy? Most of the people replying will know more about the NHL than me, I only care about the Bruins and then only when they're going for the Cup. Just asking because I don't see hypocrisy in your statement, that's just them permitting more violence than other sports. I don't think their punishments will end fighting like the NBA has but are they saying they have a hard stance against fighting?[/QUOTE]
I'm saying that NBA/NFL players have a small skirmish and they are fined, looked down upon, and called thugs. Hockey players do it an they are called tough.
I can see why fighting isn't permitted in the NBA...the game revolves around flow.
I can see why fighting isn't allowed in the NFL....it would be pandemonium.
What I can't see is why NFL players, who push and shove each other all game, are fined and hyper surveilled when it comes to physicality...if the NFL had a fight like this it would be the opening story on every sports news show...people would be questioning their morals for wasting the fans money and all that.
[QUOTE=embersyc]Dudes have big padded gloves and helmets on.
They are on ice skates.
There is a glass barrier between fans and players.
Fights are mostly one on one.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for adding some true insight without the bullshit. I may not agree but I see some of the reasoning.
I'm not seeing where this is hypocrisy. Fighting is just allowed by rule in one and not allowed in the other.
Besides...aside from a few guys, basketball players are far and away the fakest bunch of tough guys going in American pro sports.
[QUOTE=Derka]I'm not seeing where this is hypocrisy. Fighting is just allowed by rule in one and not allowed in the other.
Besides...aside from a few guys, basketball players are far and away the fakest bunch of tough guys going in American pro sports.[/QUOTE]
I agree. Chris Childs threw the last decent punches I've seen in a b ball game:oldlol:
My thing is that when football players scuffle they are seen as thugs. When hockey players fight it is seen as tough.
The fans lost out lat night with all the penalties...if it was the NBA people would be chastising them for wasting the fans money to settle personal vendettas. No one is questioning the morals of the brawlers from last night.
[QUOTE=Go Getter]I agree. Chris Childs threw the last decent punches I've seen in a b ball game:oldlol:
My thing is that when football players scuffle they are seen as thugs. When hockey players fight it is seen as tough.
The fans lost out lat night with all the penalties...if it was the NBA people would be chastising them for wasting the fans money to settle personal vendettas. No one is questioning the morals of the brawlers from last night.[/QUOTE]
maybe it's the fact that nfl is an american game and hockey was made by tough canadian mountain men?
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My thing is that when football players scuffle they are seen as thugs.
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Because most of the time they do fight like thugs.
[QUOTE=Heavincent]Because most of the time they fight like thugs.[/QUOTE]
:rolleyes:
Yeah because hockey players fight like gentlemen.
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[QUOTE=Styles p]maybe it's the fact that nfl is an american game and hockey was made by tough canadian mountain men?[/QUOTE]
The NHL is American though.
[QUOTE=Go Getter]The NHL is American though.[/QUOTE]
With their hockey operations in Toronto? Makes sense.
Edit: Oh shit, they moved it to New York. Didn't know that.
Double edit: It was created in Montreal though.
So sophisticated:rolleyes:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esETGHljQi4[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYO0-nAjf-c[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwozfvMJbSI[/url]
Because there is nothing thuggish about beating someone over the head with a stick:rolleyes:
[QUOTE=Go Getter]:rolleyes:
Yeah because hockey players fight like gentlemen.
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They do. One man vs another. Everyone else stands and watches.
Andre Johnson vs Cortland Finnegan...now that was a good fight. None of that brawling non-sense with a million bodies flying around.
[QUOTE=BoogieWoogieMan]With their hockey operations in Toronto? Makes sense.
Edit: Oh shit, they moved it to New York. Didn't know that.
Double edit: It was created in Montreal though.[/QUOTE]
I'm not totally disregarding your point but the N in National represents America.
No one is saying its sophisticated. There is a big push trying to get rid of fighting, hence the instigator penalty. It's mostly the old timers trying to keep it alive, just like it is in the NFL when it comes to helmet to helmet hits.
[QUOTE=Heavincent]They do. One man vs another. Everyone else stands and watches.
Andre Johnson vs Cortland Finnegan...now that was a good fight. None of that brawling non-sense with a million bodies flying around.[/QUOTE]
When has a player from the NFL/NBA gotten jumped by a group of guys? Usually guys come in to break up fights.
[QUOTE=BoogieWoogieMan]No one is saying its sophisticated. There is a big push trying to get rid of fighting, hence the instigator penalty. It's mostly the old timers trying to keep it alive, just like it is in the NFL when it comes to helmet to helmet hits.[/QUOTE]
Dude said they fight like gentlemen.
I see a lot of thuggish behavior....especially when they hit each other with sticks.
[QUOTE=Go Getter]Dude said they fight like gentlemen.
I see a lot of thuggish behavior....especially when they hit each other with sticks.[/QUOTE]
So one single person said it, it must be true? :lol
[QUOTE=Go Getter]So sophisticated:rolleyes:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esETGHljQi4[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYO0-nAjf-c[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwozfvMJbSI[/url]
Because there is nothing thuggish about beating someone over the head with a stick:rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
That is thuggish behavior that is looked down on by most hockey fans.