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my god i HATE this deal
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my god i HATE this deal
hmm, weird trade for Dallas.
Ok say bye bye to Mike James rumors !! Where is Mike James going to ? :ohwell:
Yea Dallas are getting it in the ass in this trade.
They must need a replacement for Van Horn.
What an awful deal for the Mavs. I really really don't like that. Croshere plays no D, is a Van Horn wannabe, slow, etc. Boo to that. They could've gotten better.
Why?
Maybe they're clearing space for another signing?
WTF are the Mavs doin.
Haha...the Pacers are turning into the Atlanta Hawks. They drafted 3 swingmen and just traded for another one.
Wow Indy did really well in this trade. Hopefully they don't want Bonzi anymore. Dallas kinda gets ripped though. But then again Croshere is a big expirer so it's all about the money? Croshere strikes me as a worse KVH honestly.
at least croshere gets rebounds and way better than KVH as a back up to dirk
Hopefully hits will clear space to get mike james. Mike james will sign with mavs no doubt.
This isnt too bad for the mavs.
[QUOTE=KempSonics]Why?
Maybe they're clearing space for another signing?[/QUOTE]
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Look at the Salaries before you say things. Austin Is owed almost 9 million and Marquis are 6. So that means if this is true the Mavs would have to give up more salary.
But Austin is an experir
Really strange trade I'm sure there is a reasonable explantion for this, I mean Cuban was behind it lol . Daniels do do pretty great when he did get off the bench in Dallas.
:wtf:
hhhmmm, i'll admit....I wasn't expecting this
[QUOTE]hhhmmm, i'll admit....I wasn't expecting this[/QUOTE]
same but at least we have a decent back up fir dirk. Croshere does get rebounds.
You know what, I'm actually happy for Marquis. He showed flashes of being a very good player, but he just isn't a good fit/used well in the Mavs system. As much as I wanted him in Dallas, I'm glad he is getting a better opportunity now. Dallas now gets a spot up shooter that it desperately needs
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WTF? Is this one of those fake articles, god I hope so for the Mavs sakes. This deal makes no sense for the Mavs, unless they wanted to dump Daniels, but besides, you could get a much better player for Daniles.
I would've thought Marquis was worth more than that. Just have to trust Donnie and Avery know what they are doing.
DAllas had better have something else going on b/c this sucks.
Weird deal.
They did get an experir for a 4 yr deal. So maybe Cuban is trying to open up some money for next yr so he can get a FA. Plus they drafted Daniels replacement.
this trade aint bad at all. Dallas has always been lookin to have a big guy to stretch the floor against soft teams so that dirk can drive and also to stretch the defense when Dirk's on the floor... and it turns out Van Horn in fact sucks. Croshere doesn't. He's a good player. Hits open shots, plays hard, can even slash a little, plays hard, and rebounds. And he never misses FTs.
I'm guessing they simply couldn't find another deal and want a one year rental of KVH... or, they're looking to package that expirer in a deal for a serious player.
Plus, with cap space or a huge pair of expiring deal, they can actually look to sign some star. Paul Pierce?
[QUOTE=Jerm]They're clearing up cap space to sign Vince Carter or Paul Pierce come next summer and I'm not kidding.[/QUOTE]
First off, Terry/Dirk/Dampier must make atleast 35 million dollars all together, not to mention resigning Howard.
Is that all Quis was worth? I thought they'd be able to get more for him.
[QUOTE=ALBballer]First off, Terry/Dirk/Dampier must make atleast 35 million dollars all together, not to mention resigning Howard.[/QUOTE]
So you won't give up Howard for a chance at Paul Pierce or Vince Carter?
More like 31 mil if Terry's new deal starts at 8 mil.
I actually like the deal for the mavs after reading some of your input. They can do more with the cap space signing a big player next year with Croshere and Stack expiring than they could with Daniels as a player.
GREAT trade for indy
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Is Dallas really still paying Finley?
After this year (according to that link), Dallas owes:
17M for Finley
16M for Dirk
10M for Dampier
4M for Harris
2M for Bradley (he's still on the payroll?)
2M for Diop
And Josh Howard is a restricted Free Agent.
Terry has a 6 year $50M deal. NBA deals are usually back loaded. So that's about 6 or 7M for Terry at the end of the season.
What's the current cap?
Edit: The Current cap is about $55 Million.
If Dallas is paying for Finley, they will still be over the cap after this season.
holy crap! This is a damn good trade for Indy! That sucks because I'm a Bulls fan. Daniels fits exactly what Indy is trying to do. Nice trade for them. He fits their style better than Peja did.
[quote]So you won't give up Howard for a chance at Paul Pierce or Vince Carter?[/quote]
Key thing here is a CHANCE. They have to waive bird rights of Howard before they may pursue Pierce/Carter... so what happens if they lose Howard and then Pierce/Carter resign? It's risky. Sure they can get a verbal agreement (unofficial of course) but Boozer didn't hesitate to take advantage of a verbal agreement for more money/play where he wanted, whose to say a snake like Vince, or an unpredictable, introverted homer like Pierce would do? We can't know. It's chancy.
Hell, I would. But Mavs really think Howard is something special. He isn't. Every team has a Howard. Hows he different from a Stephen Jackson, a Caron Butler, a Tayshaun Prince, a Nocioni, a Deng, etc etc etc. dime a dozen player, there are almost as many Howards as there are Mike James/Juan Dixon/Bobby Jackson/etc's. (although the former is more effective than the latter)
I mean, if you think about it: Croshere is going to play the role that KVH did last year.
Croshere, while overpaid, is still less expensive than KVH was this year and he can actually do other things besides occasionally hit a wide open 3.
And Quis never really played.
The deal make sense Dallas drafted M. Ager who is a better shooter and defender than marquis and got dirk's back-up in return. Still dallas should have gotten something else in return beside croshere.
Mavs are still contenders so no reason to be upset.
[quote]This is a damn good trade for Indy! That sucks because I'm a Bulls fan.[/quote]
Don't worry. You have the best team in the East, whereas the Pacers, well, their first option is always injured and shies away from greatness, and their second option is Marquis Daniels...
I think Indy is about to ship out Stephen Jackson.............
What the hell?! Did they not think they could pay him or something? Daniels >>>>>>>>>>> Austin Croshere.
[QUOTE=Silent Mav]More like 31 mil if Terry's new deal starts at 8 mil.[/QUOTE]
Terry's deal averages 8 mil. He won't make 8 million at the end of the next season. Josh Howard should make around 12 million on his new deal.
[QUOTE]Daniels >>>>>>>>>>> Austin Croshere.[/QUOTE]Who plays behind Dirk on the depth chart?
Jerry Stackhouse, Josh Howard, Maurice Ager........hell even Adrian Griffin was playing over Quis. And Terry spends a lot time at the two as well.
No room for him and it's possible that Avery didn't really care for him.
knew we were getting rid of Quis this summer but hoped we would net more than Croshere. Yes he CAN hit 3s, and drive bigs, and rebound, etc. but so can KVH. Problem is, players like them generally DON'T, especially in the playoffs.