Euroleague 2012-13 Teams

This is subject to change, based on the playoffs results of the national leagues, but so far it looks like this:

Listed by league rankings (this will change probably when the new league rankings come out this summer):


[B]From Spain (regular season teams):[/B]

1. Barca
2. Baskonia
3. Real Madrid
4. Malaga


[B]From Italy (regular season teams):[/B]

5. Siena
6. Milan
7. Sassari


[B]From Greece (regular season teams):[/B]

8. Olympiacos
9. Panathinaikos


[B]From Russia (regular season teams):[/B]

10. CSKA
11. Khimky


[B]From France (regular season teams):
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12. French Champion


[B]From Turkey (regular season teams):[/B]

13. Efes
14. Besiktas
15. Fenerbahce


[B]From Lithuania (regular season teams):[/B]

16. Zalgiris


[B]From Serbia (Adriatic League) (regular season teams):[/B]

17. Partizan


[B]From Croatia (Adriatic League) (regular season teams):[/B]

18. Cedevita


[B]From Slovenia (Adriatic League) (regular season teams):[/B]

19. Olimpija


[B]From Germany (regular season teams):[/B]

20. Brose (doubt anyone beats them)


[B]From Poland (regular season teams):[/B]

21. Prokom (they should make it)


[B]From Israel (regular season teams):[/B]

22. Maccabi


[B]Eurocup Champion:[/B]

23. Khimky (also qualified directly through their national league)


[B]Qualifying Round Winner:[/B]

24. Qualifying Round Winner


OK, so counting the contracts, and the likely playoff results, we have:


1. Barca
2. Baskonia
3. Real Madrid
4. Malaga
5. Siena
6. Milan
7. Sassari
8. Olympiacos
9. Panathinaikos
10. CSKA
11. Khimky
12. French Champion
13. Efes
14. Besiktas
15. Fenerbahce
16. Zalgiris
17. Partizan
18. Cedevita
19. Olimpija
20. Brose
21. Prokom
22. Maccabi
23. Eurocup Champion (Valencia as a wild card?)
24. Qualifying Round Winner


Prokom is ranked last in the contract rankings, so they could lose their contract. But, the Polish League champion still automatically qualifies. So they will be in regardless, if they just win the Polish League.

Siena might lose their contract because they don't have a 10,000 minimum (fan seats) arena. A few days ago, Bertomeu said that Milan should get their contract if they don't solve their arena issue. So, there would still be no changes in the places there.
[B]
So, I guess the question is then, which team would get Prokom's contract?[/B]

The other issue is, which team will get Khimky's Eurocup place, since they qualified through their national league directly? In the past, when this has happened, the Eurocup runner-up was given the place as a wildcard. So does that mean that Valencia will get it? They will probably finish 4th in Spain, so it's hard to tell. Although the rules do allow for 5 teams from one country, and they seem to like having 5 teams from Spain.

So most likely, Valencia probably gets that spot, as a wildcard.

For the 8 qualifying round teams.......we can't really say. Because the league rankings, when they get updated this summer, are probably going to change that. Under the current league rankings, the 8 teams would be:


1. 2nd place from France
2. 3rd place from Greece
3. Belgian Champions
4. Latvian Champions
5. Ukrainian Champions
6. 2nd place from Lithuania
7. Adriatic League Wildcard
8. Adriatic League Wildcard


But, with the new league rankings this will probably change. I don't understand why they are lowering the number of qualifying round teams from 16, down to 8, with only one team having a chance to qualify. That's stupid.

Partizan will play even if they dont win Serbian league because its Adriatic league that counts and Partizan got enough points in February ( I think ) to play in EL .

[QUOTE=Fiba basketball]Partizan will play even if they dont win Serbian league because its Adriatic league that counts and Partizan got enough points in February ( I think ) to play in EL .[/QUOTE]

Bertomeu just said that the national championships are where the points come from in the next ranking. So for next year, it is the points from the championship that count.

[QUOTE=Euroleague]Bertomeu just said that the national championships are where the points come from in the next ranking. So for next year, it is the points from the championship that count.[/QUOTE]
Ex Yugoslavia countries get there points from Adriatic league . Many people in Serbia arent happy aboute that and want to stop playing in ABA league but than teams wouldnt be able to play in European compatitions .

[QUOTE=Fiba basketball]Ex Yugoslavia countries get there points from Adriatic league . Many people in Serbia arent happy aboute that and want to stop playing in ABA league but than teams wouldnt be able to play in European compatitions .[/QUOTE]

I am just telling you what Bertomeu said. He just said like a week ago that the new rankings that come out this summer decide the places in Euroleague through the national leagues, for United League and Adriatic League clubs.

Because it is a new national league ranking.

The points won't apply until after next year for the regional leagues, since the rankings are being changed again.

I am just going by what Bertomeu said. Of course, he changes his decisions and mind several times on all of these things.

IMO there's no way the ACB league gets another Euroleague spot.

[QUOTE=chains5000]IMO there's no way the ACB league gets another Euroleague spot.[/QUOTE]

Of course they won't. The max allowed is 3 places through your league. Only the first 3 place Spanish teams get a place.

They are not changing that rule.

Besides, Bertomeu said that they are keeping the rule that only 5 teams from one league can play in Euroleague, counting contracts and Eurocup winners.

So yeah, the Spanish League isn't getting any more places.

Vuelle beat Cantu, so Cantu lost their place. As of right now, Sassari would be the 3rd Italian team.

There are talks that in future only first two teams from ABA will go directly to EL , third best team will play qualifications .

[QUOTE=Fiba basketball]There are talks that in future only first two teams from ABA will go directly to EL , third best team will play qualifications .[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I heard about this. Euroleague wants the 2nd placed German League club to get a place. At first they wanted to eliminate Greece's 3rd team having a qualification spot, but I think that would never go over with the Greek League, by eliminating any chance for any team other than PAO and Olympiacos to play in Euroleague. No way should one of the top 2-3 domestic leagues still, agree to that.

Now they are talking about changing places in Adriatic League and also Italian League. Which is even funnier, because that would give the 2nd German club a regular season place.

Seriously...........no way in hell does the 2nd German team deserve a place. In the qualification round? Maybe. But no way in hell for the regular season.

Euroleague is always bending over backwards to help the French and German teams. It's stupid. Out of both leagues together, there is one good decent, not even good, just decent, team in Brose.

Of course, the Adriatic League has way too many places also. The only team from the Adriatic League deserves a place directly is Partizan. Other teams like Cedevita, Zagreb, Cibona, Olimpija are basically a joke.

Then you have teams like Buducnost getting into the qualifying rounds, which doesn't even make sense. Really, I think Adriatic should just have two places, and give the 3rd and 4th place teams a qualification spot.

As it is now, Adriatic League has way too many places. The decent team in the whole league is Partizan. So, even giving them 2 places directly and several qualification places is being really generous. And no way does the Adriatic League need 3 direct places. It just adds more 0-10 to 3-7 regular season teams.

[QUOTE=Euroleague]Yeah, I heard about this. Euroleague wants the 2nd placed German League club to get a place. At first they wanted to eliminate Greece's 3rd team having a qualification spot, but I think that would never go over with the Greek League, by eliminating any chance for any team other than PAO and Olympiacos to play in Euroleague. No way should one of the top 2-3 domestic leagues still, agree to that.

Now they are talking about changing places in Adriatic League and also Italian League. Which is even funnier, because that would give the 2nd German club a regular season place.

Seriously...........no way in hell does the 2nd German team deserve a place. In the qualification round? Maybe. But no way in hell for the regular season.

Euroleague is always bending over backwards to help the French and German teams. It's stupid. Out of both leagues together, there is one good decent, not even good, just decent, team in Brose.

Of course, the Adriatic League has way too many places also. The only team from the Adriatic League deserves a place directly is Partizan. Other teams like Cedevita, Zagreb, Cibona, Olimpija are basically a joke.

Then you have teams like Buducnost getting into the qualifying rounds, which doesn't even make sense. Really, I think Adriatic should just have two places, and give the 3rd and 4th place teams a qualification spot.

As it is now, Adriatic League has way too many places. The decent team in the whole league is Partizan. So, even giving them 2 places directly and several qualification places is being really generous. And no way does the Adriatic League need 3 direct places. It just adds more 0-10 to 3-7 regular season teams.[/QUOTE]
The problem is that national leagues than wont have any value . If only two teams that are best in ABA go to EL whats the point of playing in national leagues ?

[QUOTE=Fiba basketball]The problem is that national leagues than wont have any value . If only two teams that are best in ABA go to EL whats the point of playing in national leagues ?[/QUOTE]

I don't know. Why don't they make a promotion and relegation system in Adriatic League, and let the national clubs all compete that way?

Apparently, Euroleague wanted to eliminate Greece's 3rd place team in the qualifying rounds, as one of the spots lost, taking it down from 16 qualifiying round places to 8.

But Panionios supposedly told Euroleague that they will move into a new, state of the art, 8,500 seat arena if Greece keeps the qualifying round place.

So now the owner of Panionios supposedly has a meeting with Jordi Bertomeu to finalize this.

This is more proof of Euroleague simply giving places by money and arenas. Because they were going to drop Greece's place in the qualifying rounds, even though the Greek League said that under the new league rankings, Greece would move into #2 place, up from #3, even though Euroleague takes points away from the league, due to "small arenas and bad attendance".

But then, suddenly, Panionios' owner tells Euroleague that he will pay for the team to move into a nice, new 8,500 seat arena, and suddenly they are back in the picture for a qualification round place.

I think this is pretty much proof that Euroleague is not even basing places on game results at all anymore, even though they keep claiming that they are.

How else could the Greek League move up in the league rankings, and actually lose a place? Then only regain it if Panionios moved into a new arena.

I understand the arena issue, but I think they are taking it too far. The quality of the teams and leagues that get places in the competition should be the first issue, then the arenas. Not the other way around.

Euroleague released the new rankings for the national/regional leagues of Europe.

1. Spanish League
2. United League (international regional league)
3. Greek League
4. Italian League
5. Turkish League
6. French League
7. German League
8. Lithuanian League
9. Adriatic League (international regional league)
10. Belgian League
11. Czech League
12. Ukrainian League
13. Israeli League
14. Polish League
15. Bulgarian League
16. Dutch League
17. Latvian League

The places in Euroleague and Eurocup are going to be reset based on these new rankings.

According to the new rankings, supposedly it will be:

[B]Euroleague 2012-13:[/B]


[B]Spanish League: [/B]

Barca
Real Madrid
Baskonia
Malaga
Valencia (if they make the ACB Finals)

[B]United League: [/B]

CSKA
Khimki

[B]Greek League: [/B]

Olympiacos
Panathinaikos

[B]Italian League:
[/B]
Siena
Milan
[B]
Turkish League:[/B]

Efes
Fenerbahce
Besiktas

[B]French League: [/B]

French Champion

[B]German League: [/B]

Brose

[B]Lithuanian League: [/B]

Zalgiris
Rytas (if Valencia does not make the ACB Finals)

[B]Adriatic League: [/B]

Partizan
Cedevita
Olimpija

[B]Israeli League: [/B]

Maccabi

[B]+ Wild Card #1
+ Wild Card #2[/B]
+ Winner of the Qualification Tournament


[B]Qualification round (in order of ranking):[/B]

1. Rytas (if not qualified directly)

2. Gravelines (French League regular season winner)

3. Ulm (German League runner-up)

4. Buducnost (from Adriatic League)

5. Charleroi (Belgian League Champion)

6. Donetsk (Ukrainian League Champion)

7. Prokom (Polish League Champion)

8. Lukoil Academic (Bulgarian League Champion)

9. Den Bosch (Dutch League Champion)

10. VEF Riga (Latvian League Champion)


Only 8 teams will get a place in the qualification round.


[B]Italy and Greece lost places, as Bertomeu preferred a, "wild card system" instead...........................[/B]

I can't believe this. Now they are freaking giving two places each season in the regular season via [B]WILD CARD[/B]. :facepalm

In what way does Malaga deserves to play ? They didnt even make playoffs in Endesa .

[QUOTE=Fiba basketball]In what way does Malaga deserves to play ? They didnt even make playoffs in Endesa .[/QUOTE]

They are a Spanish club. They have a big budget. They have a big arena with good attendance. Thus, they are a "Euroleague club", per the current criteria.

So rytas will be in.. most likely. It's gonna be a disaster with Dzikic lol.

[QUOTE=Fiba basketball]In what way does Malaga deserves to play ? They didnt even make playoffs in Endesa .[/QUOTE]
They do NOT deserve it. F*ck

The word is that Partizan will get the license.

[QUOTE=Euroleague]The word is that Partizan will get the license.[/QUOTE]
I heard that Sartak Sankt Peterburg will get the lincese too . EL will take two spots from ABA and give it to Great Britain and Russia so by giving Partizan licence they give another team from ABA to play in EL

[QUOTE=Fiba basketball]I heard that Sartak Sankt Peterburg will get the lincese too . EL will take two spots from ABA and give it to Great Britain and Russia so by giving Partizan licence they give another team from ABA to play in EL[/QUOTE]

Spartak doesn't meet the arena requirement. Great Britain? You are joking right.

[QUOTE=Euroleague]Spartak doesn't meet the arena requirement. Great Britain? You are joking right.[/QUOTE]
I read that Partizan and they will get it but I only care aboute Partizan getting licence so it doesnt matter to me . No I m not joking . ABA will lose one spot that will go to Russia and its yet to be decided will ABA lose one more place that will go to Great Britain . We all know that EL is only interested in money so I m not supprised with GB potentionaly getting a place in El .

[QUOTE=Fiba basketball]I read that Partizan and they will get it but I only care aboute Partizan getting licence so it doesnt matter to me . No I m not joking . ABA will lose one spot that will go to Russia and its yet to be decided will ABA lose one more place that will go to Great Britain . We all know that EL is only interested in money so I m not supprised with GB potentionaly getting a place in El .[/QUOTE]

If Great Britain gets a place then the Euroleague needs to lose our support. This is getting too ridiculous.

Can you imagine the scores of the games?

Panathinaikos 108 - Newcastle 36..................


I wonder how Partizan is going to meet the budget requirements to have a license? They have to rent the big arena and then they have to maintain a much higher budget. At least that is based on how Euroleague was saying the new contract rules work.

Is Partizan getting a new sponsor now if they get the contract?

As for Spartak, their new arena is supposed to be 7,000 capacity. So I don't see how they can get the contract, when the rule is 10,000 to get a contract. Spartak's old arena is also about 7,000 capacity I think. So it makes no sense to take the contract away from Siena, because they lack the arena, and give it to Spartak, who also lacks it.

Unless Spartak is going to use the hockey arena.....but then why the hell would they have built a new arena then? That seems like a waste of money. Unless maybe they use the new arena just for VTB games and play in the hockey arena for Euroleague. I don't know, that seems weird to me.

Surely, someone else has a better pitch to Euroleague to get the contract. If the arenas are such a huge issue with Euroleague, then you would think someone like ALBA would get the contract.

[QUOTE=Euroleague]If Great Britain gets a place then the Euroleague needs to lose our support. This is getting too ridiculous.

Can you imagine the scores of the games?

Panathinaikos 108 - Newcastle 36..................


I wonder how Partizan is going to meet the budget requirements to have a license? They have to rent the big arena and then they have to maintain a much higher budget. At least that is based on how Euroleague was saying the new contract rules work.

Is Partizan getting a new sponsor now if they get the contract?

As for Spartak, their new arena is supposed to be 7,000 capacity. So I don't see how they can get the contract, when the rule is 10,000 to get a contract. Spartak's old arena is also about 7,000 capacity I think. So it makes no sense to take the contract away from Siena, because they lack the arena, and give it to Spartak, who also lacks it.

Unless Spartak is going to use the hockey arena.....but then why the hell would they have built a new arena then? That seems like a waste of money. Unless maybe they use the new arena just for VTB games and play in the hockey arena for Euroleague. I don't know, that seems weird to me.

Surely, someone else has a better pitch to Euroleague to get the contract. If the arenas are such a huge issue with Euroleague, then you would think someone like ALBA would get the contract.[/QUOTE]
Partizan can play in Belgrade Arena I could get more sponsors but no way that budget will be more than 5-6 , it will probably be same like this year . Today Todoric ( BC Partizan sport director ) said that Armani has better chances to get the licence so Partizan wont get it but no one here takes him sereusly because a lot of times when he says something wont happen it happens . As for Spartak I alsow heard that its between them and Partizan for licence not them and Partizan but I dont know what site got it wright . I think EL needs to help contries that are bad in basketball but not by giving them direct place in EL . For example I heard that Partizan , PAO , CSKA and Barcelona are going to play in a turnament in Dubai ( Obradovic is there so he probably organised it ) to make basketball more popular there . But it would be better if they played in more cities and more countries like Hungary , Great Britain , Sweden , Portugal , Ukrain so in futur basketball can get more popular there and so they can have some good teams in future . EL needs more money and they cant get it if richer countries have bad teams and dont care aboute basketball , with more money players will stay in Europe and wont go to the NBA .

[QUOTE=Fiba basketball]Partizan can play in Belgrade Arena I could get more sponsors but no way that budget will be more than 5-6 , it will probably be same like this year . Today Todoric ( BC Partizan sport director ) said that Armani has better chances to get the licence so Partizan wont get it but no one here takes him sereusly because a lot of times when he says something wont happen it happens . As for Spartak I alsow heard that its between them and Partizan for licence not them and Partizan but I dont know what site got it wright . I think EL needs to help contries that are bad in basketball but not by giving them direct place in EL . For example I heard that Partizan , PAO , CSKA and Barcelona are going to play in a turnament in Dubai ( Obradovic is there so he probably organised it ) to make basketball more popular there . But it would be better if they played in more cities and more countries like Hungary , Great Britain , Sweden , Portugal , Ukrain so in futur basketball can get more popular there and so they can have some good teams in future . EL needs more money and they cant get it if richer countries have bad teams and dont care aboute basketball , with more money players will stay in Europe and wont go to the NBA .[/QUOTE]

Earlier, Euroleague was saying that clubs had to maintain a 10 million euros budget to have a contract. That's why I wondered about Partizan getting a contract. It also makes me wonder about Prokom. They used to have a decent budget, but not anymore.

So if that is true, then it means Milano would be the club that actually gets the contract.