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Tarik One 05-04-2009 07:45 PM

Pernell Whitaker >>>Manny Pacquaio
 
One of my 5 favorite fighters ever and arguably the best defensive little man in the history of boxing, he'd have Pacman swinging at air for 12 rounds. Sweet Pea by decision.

lefthook00 05-04-2009 08:36 PM

Re: Pernell Whitaker >>>Manny Pacquaio
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tarik One
One of my 5 favorite fighters ever and arguably the best defensive little man in the history of boxing, he'd have Pacman swinging at air for 12 rounds. Sweet Pea by decision.


Obviously...but I don't think people on this board follow boxing closely enough to understand this.

RedBlackAttack 05-04-2009 08:42 PM

Re: Pernell Whitaker >>>Manny Pacquaio
 
Sweet Pea is the best defensive fighter I have ever seen. I'm still p!ssed off over that bogus decision against Chavez. That should have been JCC's first loss. Pernell outclassed him.

Easily one of the greatest fighters of all-time. He doesn't get the respect that is due.

magiŠ 05-04-2009 09:15 PM

Re: Pernell Whitaker >>>Manny Pacquaio
 
1. JCC was clearly a better boxer then Whitaker.
2. Most underrated boxer to me is either Marciano or Sugar Ray Robinson. I consider Sugar to be the greatest of all-time, dethroning Ali. I believe his mouth made him a better boxer then he really was.

Lets start the controversy.

RedBlackAttack 05-04-2009 09:22 PM

Re: Pernell Whitaker >>>Manny Pacquaio
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by magiŠ
1. JCC was clearly a better boxer then Whitaker.
2. Most underrated boxer to me is either Marciano or Sugar Ray Robinson. I consider Sugar to be the greatest of all-time, dethroning Ali. I believe his mouth made him a better boxer then he really was.

Lets start the controversy.

1. No... He wasn't... And it wasn't close. What made JCC great was his iron will, iron jaw, and heavy hands. He did not have the pure skill of Pernell.

2. Marciano is one of the most OVERrated boxers in history and I'm not sure how SRR could be underrated when just about everyone that knows anything about the sport considers him the No. 1 p4p fighter of all-time. That is like saying the Michael Jordan is underrated.

magiŠ 05-04-2009 09:27 PM

Re: Pernell Whitaker >>>Manny Pacquaio
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RedBlackAttack
1. No... He wasn't... And it wasn't close. What made JCC great was his iron will, iron jaw, and heavy hands. He did not have the pure skill of Pernell.

2. Marciano is one of the most OVERrated boxers in history and I'm not sure how SRR could be underrated when just about everyone that knows anything about the sport considers him the No. 1 p4p fighter of all-time. That is like saying the Michael Jordan is underrated.


JR Smith is a very skillful basketball player, is he better then say Brandon Roy? There's a giant difference between skills and results.

Bush4Ever 05-04-2009 09:27 PM

Re: Pernell Whitaker >>>Manny Pacquaio
 
Rocky fought in a relatively weak era of fighters and would be squashed like a bug by a good half-dozen heavyweights in history, arguably up to a dozen.

He beat who was put in front of him though, I'll give him that.

RedBlackAttack 05-04-2009 09:29 PM

Re: Pernell Whitaker >>>Manny Pacquaio
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by magiŠ
JR Smith is a very skillful basketball player, is he better then say Brandon Roy? There's a giant difference between skills and results.

I agree with that. But, you said JCC was a better 'boxer,' which inferred (to me) that you were talking about actual boxing skill.

Btw, I would probably rate the two around the same in an all-time p4p discussion. Both were great fighters. That doesn't change the fact that JCC was given a GIFT draw.

andgar923 05-04-2009 09:30 PM

Re: Pernell Whitaker >>>Manny Pacquaio
 
Thin line between defense and "running."

There's some that will rightfully argue that pernell like many black fighters "run" instead of defend.

JCC WAS a skilled fighter. He's from the old school era where they HAD to be skilled. He was great at adjusting and sizing up his opponent along with setting them up which takes skills. To accomplish what he did he had to be skilled.

Tarik One 05-04-2009 09:30 PM

Re: Pernell Whitaker >>>Manny Pacquaio
 
Quote:

I'm still p!ssed off over that bogus decision against Chavez. That should have been JCC's first loss. Pernell outclassed him.


2 words - Don King

magiŠ 05-04-2009 09:33 PM

Re: Pernell Whitaker >>>Manny Pacquaio
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RedBlackAttack
I agree with that. But, you said JCC was a better 'boxer,' which inferred (to me) that you were talking about actual boxing skill.

Btw, I would probably rate the two around the same in an all-time p4p discussion. Both were great fighters. That doesn't change the fact that JCC was given a GIFT draw.


Is heart a skill? I don't consider it a skill, it is an asset that separates two great athletes. It's something Kobe has that McGrady never had. Like you said JCC had incredible will and his incredible record speaks volume to me. I would take him over Whitaker any day. I will say though, that PW does not get enough credit for his tremendous skill set.

JCC is a boxing legend though, I consider him in very high regard.

sonicman 05-04-2009 09:34 PM

Re: Pernell Whitaker >>>Manny Pacquaio
 
'Sweet Pea' is the cure for insomnia

RedBlackAttack 05-04-2009 09:34 PM

Re: Pernell Whitaker >>>Manny Pacquaio
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by andgar923
Thin line between defense and "running."

There's some that will rightfully argue that pernell like many black fighters "run" instead of defend.

JCC WAS a skilled fighter. He's from the old school era where they HAD to be skilled. He was great at adjusting and sizing up his opponent along with setting them up which takes skills. To accomplish what he did he had to be skilled.

Never said he wasn't skilled... Just not as technically flawless as Sweet Pea. He is an all-time great... Damn right he was skilled.

Pernell clearly beat him in '93, though. It shouldn't have even been close on the scorecards. JCC was able to walk down a lot of guys and eventually make them cave (Taylor)... He couldn't do it with Whitaker.

sonicman 05-04-2009 09:37 PM

Re: Pernell Whitaker >>>Manny Pacquaio
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RedBlackAttack
JCC was able to walk down a lot of guys and eventually make them cave (Taylor)...


Come on man, Taylor won that fight, that was rigged as

andgar923 05-04-2009 09:42 PM

Re: Pernell Whitaker >>>Manny Pacquaio
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RedBlackAttack
Never said he wasn't skilled... Just not as technically flawless as Sweet Pea. He is an all-time great... Damn right he was skilled.

Pernell clearly beat him in '93, though. It shouldn't have even been close on the scorecards. JCC was able to walk down a lot of guys and eventually make them cave (Taylor)... He couldn't do it with Whitaker.


I honestly don't remember that fight. Some of you must really have a great memory to be honest.

But I do know that he ran alot in his career. From what I understand, most judges didn't like the way he was fighting, they saw JCC as the aggressor which resulted in the draw. Of course, I/they could be wrong.

And my I understand that many won't like my original comment in regards to many black boxers being "runners," but its true for the most part.

And its something that I never understood considering their speed and elusiveness. I never understood why many run so much.


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