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tgan3 09-05-2013 04:23 AM

Clippers might actually fail again?
 
I know about their new acquisitions of JJ Redick and Jared Dudley who are both amazing shooters.

But, a few reasons why i think clippers will fail ultimately at the playoffs again.

First, Deandre Jordan and Blake Griffin rebounding numbers aren't really high at 7.2 rpg and 8.3 rpg apiece. You imagine they rebound better with their athleticism but no. Jordan is tied at 20th in the league for offensive rebounding while Griffin in 29th so they aren't exactly good offensive rebounders, something that you need when your team is collectively based on outside shooting (With the addition of so many outside shooters)

Yes, Redick and Dudley may open up some possibilities for CP3, but Jordan can forget about developing a shot since his FT% is below 50, he only plays in the paint and has no post game whatsoever. Griffin is a little better but still no one would respect his 15 foot shot so both of them would crowd the paint, preventing CP3 from doing drive and dishes, and limit their offensive capabilities.

Defense wise Bledsoe and Butler > Redick and Dudley.

My bet 2nd round exit again!

Electric Slide 09-05-2013 04:30 AM

Re: Clippers might actually fail again?
 
lol at butler being better than dudley.

Redick and Dudley are huge upgrades over Billups and Butler.

Bledsoe was their only big loss but he hardly played anyways.

Rose'sACL 09-05-2013 04:37 AM

Re: Clippers might actually fail again?
 
Clippers are number 2 on my list of teams who could win west with Spurs at number 1.

mugiwara 09-05-2013 05:05 AM

Re: Clippers might actually fail again?
 
Warriors will be better.

All Net 09-05-2013 05:09 AM

Re: Clippers might actually fail again?
 
Could they fail? Sure but so could thunder and spurs

Thunder
Spurs
Clippers

Are the main 3 contenders rights now to win the west for me. Houston we need to see them how they play.

qrich 09-05-2013 05:09 AM

Re: Clippers might actually fail again?
 
So much wrong with this post.

tgan3 09-05-2013 05:27 AM

Re: Clippers might actually fail again?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by qrich
So much wrong with this post.


you believe losing Butler, Bledsoe and Billups over Dudley and Redick is actually an improvement?

:roll: :roll:

Don't read what the media feeds you. This team will fail again! Im a CP3 fan but trust me, this team just doesn't cut it.

All Net 09-05-2013 05:41 AM

Re: Clippers might actually fail again?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tgan3
you believe losing Butler, Bledsoe and Billups over Dudley and Redick is actually an improvement?

:roll: :roll:

Don't read what the media feeds you. This team will fail again! Im a CP3 fan but trust me, this team just doesn't cut it.


Yeah it clearly is a big improvement.

Butler and Billups did nothing last season. You are the only one who thinks it isn't. They clearly improved.

qrich 09-05-2013 05:41 AM

Re: Clippers might actually fail again?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tgan3
you believe losing Butler, Bledsoe and Billups over Dudley and Redick is actually an improvement?

:roll: :roll:

Don't read what the media feeds you. This team will fail again! Im a CP3 fan but trust me, this team just doesn't cut it.


You are really mentioning Billups? Really? The guy was mediocre when he actually got on the court. Especially in the playoffs. Butler was decent, at best. Had a few good to great games, but mediocre more often than not.

Losing Bledsoe does hurt, when it comes to one side of the ball, but Collison is much better on the other end.

The Clippers didn't fill the need I wanted, but now they gave their bench an identity, which is to score, score and score.

You are also forgetting the additions of Darren Collison, Byron Mullens, Brandon Davies and Antawn Jamison. Oh yeah, and Doc Rivers.

TheReturn 09-05-2013 06:25 AM

Re: Clippers might actually fail again?
 
I agree with the OP saying that they won't go far until Griffin and DJ improve several aspects of their game.

Nash 09-05-2013 06:45 AM

Re: Clippers might actually fail again?
 
I don't get the Clippers hype too. First of all, if you're lead by a 6 foot player you will have a hard time against teams lead by Lebron and Durant.

Also, since when does acquiring Dudley and Reddick all of a sudden make you this favorite in the West?

All Net 09-05-2013 06:51 AM

Re: Clippers might actually fail again?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Nash
I don't get the Clippers hype too. First of all, if you're lead by a 6 foot player you will have a hard time against teams lead by Lebron and Durant.

Also, since when does acquiring Dudley and Reddick all of a sudden make you this favorite in the West?


Role players can sometimes make a huge difference. .

Nash 09-05-2013 06:54 AM

Re: Clippers might actually fail again?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by All Net
Role players can sometimes make a huge difference. .

But not when your only legit star is CP3 and you're still waiting for Blake to become a real game changer.

All Net 09-05-2013 07:16 AM

Re: Clippers might actually fail again?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Nash
But not when your only legit star is CP3 and you're still waiting for Blake to become a real game changer.


They certainly have question marks but they are in the mix. Have to see what doc can do with them defensively. As that's their weakness.

Unforgiven 09-05-2013 09:29 AM

Re: Clippers might actually fail again?
 
Sure Dudley and Reddick help a lot, but I think the fate of the clips lies with DJ and Blake.

If they can improve their rounding, DJ his offence and Blake his defence, it'll go a long way. Then there are free throws...

SilkkTheShocker 09-05-2013 09:30 AM

Re: Clippers might actually fail again?
 
Lack of dynamic wing players/softness will be their downfall imo.

daily 09-05-2013 09:32 AM

Re: Clippers might actually fail again?
 
Don't underestimate the loss of Billups. He was the lockerroom glue guy last year . They will miss him a lot.

All Net 09-05-2013 09:50 AM

Re: Clippers might actually fail again?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by daily
Don't underestimate the loss of Billups. He was the lockerroom glue guy last year . They will miss him a lot.


He barely played last season.

Two seasons ago yeah.

All Net 09-05-2013 10:05 AM

Re: Clippers might actually fail again?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SilkkTheShocker
Lack of dynamic wing players/softness will be their downfall imo.


Nah defense would be if they lose.

Paul should be getting Clippers to the conference finals.. He now has the roster and coach to do it. No more excuses.

To me he is the 3rd best player in the league. He needs to prove why.

Inferno 09-05-2013 10:16 AM

Re: Clippers might actually fail again?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by All Net
Could they fail? Sure but so could thunder and spurs

Thunder
Spurs
Clippers

Are the main 3 contenders rights now to win the west for me. Houston we need to see them how they play.


How about the Warriors?

joeyjoejoe 09-05-2013 10:21 AM

Re: Clippers might actually fail again?
 
They might fail come playoffs so will a lot of other good teams but barring injury I think they might succeed as in wcf, hopefully they don't get matched up against griz again just a frontcourt arm wrestle clipps can't win

All Net 09-05-2013 10:22 AM

Re: Clippers might actually fail again?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Inferno
How about the Warriors?


They are certainly in the mix along with Rockets and Grizzlies. Just think spurs, Thunder, Clippers are a tier above right now. Bogut health could change things.

raprap 09-05-2013 10:40 AM

Re: Clippers might actually fail again?
 
they need a slasher. also the west is so wide open now, they might actually reach the finals.

pegasus 09-05-2013 11:05 AM

Re: Clippers might actually fail again?
 
West is extremely stacked as usual, but this year there's no clear cut favorite. So I wouldn't be surprised if the LAC got bumped in the second round or won the West.

gts 09-05-2013 11:15 AM

Re: Clippers might actually fail again?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by All Net
He barely played last season.

Two seasons ago yeah.


Lockerroom not on the court. Reports out of Clipperland last season said if it wasn't for Billups that team would have blown up because of the friction between CP3 and the other players

pegasus 09-05-2013 11:20 AM

Re: Clippers might actually fail again?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by gts
Lockerroom not on the court. Reports out of Clipperland last season said if it wasn't for Billups that team would have blown up because of the friction between CP3 and the other players


Now they have Doc instead. Players, including CP3, will respect him a lot more than they did VDN.

All Net 09-05-2013 11:38 AM

Re: Clippers might actually fail again?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pegasus
Now they have Doc instead. Players, including CP3, will respect him a lot more than they did VDN.


That was the issue. Nobody respected vinny which was the main reason for the rumoured chemistry problems

Fiasco 09-05-2013 01:10 PM

Re: Clippers might actually fail again?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by gts
Lockerroom not on the court. Reports out of Clipperland last season said if it wasn't for Billups that team would have blown up because of the friction between CP3 and the other players


Billups didn't do shit last season, relax.

boozehound 09-05-2013 01:17 PM

Re: Clippers might actually fail again?
 
what a weird thread title. Might actually? They are much more likely to fail than not (win a championship). Its highly unlikely they come out of the west, let alone win the title. I put their championship hopes at well under 10%

ProfessorMurder 09-05-2013 01:24 PM

Re: Clippers might actually fail again?
 
Clippers gonna Clip.

Memphis will still dump on them.

Le Shaqtus 09-05-2013 01:31 PM

Re: Clippers might actually fail again?
 
Clippers always look good on paper but have been failing to live up to their hype since the arrival of CP3

I feel like they don't have the same tenacity as other teams do, the will to win.

Obviously they have other flaws too, lack of competent bigs besides Griff, Passiveness of CP3 and so on.

mugiwara 09-05-2013 01:54 PM

Re: Clippers might actually fail again?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ProfessorMurder
Clippers gonna Clip.

Memphis will still dump on them.


only because paul allows a slow pace against them :facepalm

"shut up vinnie, we don't need to get out and run! Yo Bake, pick 'n pop. 3 - 2 - 1 break!"

Which team wins the three legged race from one basket to the other??

Griffen & DeAndre Vs Zbo & Gasol


and yes, clippers gonna clip.

senelcoolidge 09-05-2013 02:44 PM

Re: Clippers might actually fail again?
 
I think Doc and Gentry will do wonders for the team. Doc on the defensive side and Gentry on the offensive side. With Vinny it was really predictable. At times the players didn't know what play to run it was ridiculous. They won games just on sheer talent. So I think the coaching will help, especially in the playoffs.
Griffin needs to be used right. Play him more in the low post, he's extremely efficient in the paint. His foot work and post game have improved. He usually gets it done in the paint. Plus he's a terrific passer for his position which when he is doubled leaves someone open. That's where guys like Dudley, Redick, etc will benefit. Plus if he plays in the closer to the basket his rebounding numbers will go up again. Griffin and DJ are still young players, having Doc will help them develop.
Thank goodness Billups is gone, so washed up..waste of space on the team. Just being honest. Butler was a great guy, but becoming a liability. A healthy Clippers team will go far in the playoffs.

qrich 09-05-2013 03:27 PM

Re: Clippers might actually fail again?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by daily
Don't underestimate the loss of Billups. He was the lockerroom glue guy last year . They will miss him a lot.


He was a good voice in the locker room....but then again...so was Grant Hill. Why not mention the loss of Hill?

russwest0 09-05-2013 03:30 PM

Re: Clippers might actually fail again?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rose'sACL
Clippers are number 2 on my list of teams who could win west with Spurs at number 1.


Lmao @ having the Spurs, let alone the ****ing Clippers over OKC. Call me when the Clippers AKA flop city can even get out of the 1st round. Once teams start hustling every possession and playing defense in the playoffs the clippers offense (Griffin and Paul) can't do shit

qrich 09-05-2013 03:33 PM

Re: Clippers might actually fail again?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by russwest0
Lmao @ having the Spurs, let alone the ****ing Clippers over OKC. Call me when the Clippers AKA flop city can even get out of the 1st round. Once teams start hustling every possession and playing defense in the playoffs the clippers offense (Griffin and Paul) can't do shit


How's your bench looking with Gomes backing up Durant?

gts 09-05-2013 03:36 PM

Re: Clippers might actually fail again?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by qrich
He was a good voice in the locker room....but then again...so was Grant Hill. Why not mention the loss of Hill?


Because it didn't occur to me. You're absolutley, right that's another one they'll have to figure out for themselves now

russwest0 09-05-2013 03:38 PM

Re: Clippers might actually fail again?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by qrich
How's your bench looking with Gomes backing up Durant?


Lol, sorry we didn't lose 3 key players and replace them with 3 new key players hoping that it'll click this time. Roster stability is the reason SA, MIA, IND, OKC will be atop their conferences next year.

Russ
Sefolosha
KD
Ibaka
Perk

Reggie Jackson (gonna be a beast 6th man next year. Is basically Harden but not as skilled offensively so he won't command the ball as much and take looks from KD/Russ/Ibaka, but he'll do better on defense and on the glass)
Derek Fisher
Jeremy Lamb (at 19 years old played arguably better than any player has played while in the D-League for most of the season. Dominated the Summer league as well)
Ryan Gomes (will only get minutes when we blow out the opponent by the 4th)
Nick Collison
Hasheem Thabeet
Steven Adams

is not a bad bench and it's hilarious to ignore the fact that this is a star driven league and that Russ/KD shit on the Clips and Spurs.

qrich 09-05-2013 03:38 PM

Re: Clippers might actually fail again?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by gts
Because it didn't occur to me. You're absolutley, right that's another one they'll have to figure out for themselves now


GTS = Daily? :wtf:

They lost some "player-coaches" but greatly improved the coaching staff. I think they are fine with that exchange.

Quote:

Originally Posted by russwest0
Lol, sorry we didn't lose 3 key players and replace them with 3 new key players hoping that it'll click this time. Roster stability is the reason SA, MIA, IND, OKC will be atop their conferences next year.

Russ
Sefolosha
KD
Ibaka
Perk

Reggie Jackson (gonna be a beast 6th man next year)
Derek Fisher
Jeremy Lamb
Ryan Gomes (will only get minutes when we blow out the opponent by the 4th)
Nick Collison
Hasheem Thabeet
Steven Adams

is not a bad a bench and it's hilarious to ignore the fact that this is a star driven league and that Russ/KD shit on the Clips and Spurs.


Erm, who lost 3 key players?

It isn't a bad bench, but it isn't a good bench either. What happens in case of an injury? Or starters being stagnant?

Blake also shits on OKC. 22/10/4/1/1 on 54 shooting with 15.4 shots per. Paul, as well, is only 20/4/10 with 3.5 steals/2.4 giveaways on 50/34/9 compared to the 20/4/7 with 1.5/3.5 on 38/29/82 for Russ. Durant is 28/8/3/1/1 on 42.6 shooting with 21.4 shots per.

Real shitting being done.


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