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Mr_Basketball#1 09-01-2008 09:57 AM

Would you do a Manu Ginobli for Joe Johnson deal?
 
Of course some other pieces would have to be involved to make the trade work, but does this make both teams better? Manu is an experienced player and knows what it takes to win. Pair him with the likes of Al Horford, Mike Bibby, Josh Smith and Williams this team could really make some noise in the East.

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Atlanta Hawks
Bibby
Ginobli
M. Williams
J. Smith
Horford

Joe Johnson is an underrated player, but he's not much of an emotional leader which is what a young Hawks team could use. The guy can flat out score. Going to the Spurs would pair him with two other all-stars that could help take his game to the next level.

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San Antonio Spurs
Tony Parker
Joe Johnson
Ime Udoka or Bowen (heard Udoka was starting this year)
Tim Duncan
Fabricio Oberto

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Would the Kings be willing to deal Kevin Martin (25)? Would Pop want anything to do with Tracy McGrady (29)? Probably not. Nor would the likes of Luol Deng (23), Gerald Wallace (26), or Rip Hamilton (30) be considered without additional inducements. Indeed, the only semi-available player I'd trade Ginobili for would be Joe Johnson (27). Failing this, the Spurs would be advised to stand pat, hope that their elder statesmen can squeeze out another quality season, that Ginobili's rehab will be successful and that Roger Mason is a big surprise.
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chains5000 09-01-2008 10:00 AM

Re: Would you do a Manu Ginobli for Joe Johnson deal?
 
Considering their age I wouldn't do it if I was the Hawks. Manu is already 31 and doesn't fit in a rebuilding situation.

Also, Childress? Did I miss something?

mrhoopfan 09-01-2008 10:02 AM

Re: Would you do a Manu Ginobli for Joe Johnson deal?
 
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Originally Posted by chains5000
Considering their age I wouldn't do it if I was the Hawks. Manu is already 31 and doesn't fit in a rebuilding situation.

Also, Childress? Did I miss something?

He's 31 really??? I'd still do it if I was Atlanta

chains5000 09-01-2008 10:04 AM

Re: Would you do a Manu Ginobli for Joe Johnson deal?
 
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Originally Posted by mrhoopfan
He's 31 really??? I'd still do it if I was Atlanta

Born in 77, if he isn't already, it's not gonna take long.
Why would you do it?

Mr_Basketball#1 09-01-2008 10:09 AM

Re: Would you do a Manu Ginobli for Joe Johnson deal?
 
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Originally Posted by chains5000
Considering their age I wouldn't do it if I was the Hawks. Manu is already 31 and doesn't fit in a rebuilding situation.

Also, Childress? Did I miss something?

Yeah completely forgot about Childress. :hammerhead:

Godfather 09-01-2008 10:10 AM

Re: Would you do a Manu Ginobli for Joe Johnson deal?
 
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Originally Posted by Mr_Basketball#1
Of course some other pieces would have to be involved to make the trade work, but does this make both teams better? Manu is an experienced player and knows what it takes to win. Pair him with the likes of Al Horford, Mike Bibby, Josh Smith, and Childress and this team could really make some noise in the East.



Joe Johnson is an underrated player, but he's not much of an emotional leader which is what a young Hawks team could use. The guy can flat out score. Going to the Spurs would pair him with two other all-stars that could help take his game to the next level.


Who says he is not an emotional leader? He willed the Hawks to extend the Celtics series to 7 games. He is an explosive scorer and passer, and the number one offensive option on an up and coming hawks team. Manu is good yes, but he is also 4 years older and has played with the best PF in the history of the game; something that is bound to help you. This is a bad deal for the Hawks because in a few years when their young players reach their prime they are not going to want an old Manu holding the reins.

ronnymac 09-01-2008 10:11 AM

Re: Would you do a Manu Ginobli for Joe Johnson deal?
 
Hell no. JJ is a very underrated player. he is alot better defensive player then gino and is gonna improve in the years ahead. gino has hit he's prime and isnt gonna get any better. whilst JJ has a much bigger upside and he is a great fit for a young and developing team like atlanta.

SayTownRy 09-01-2008 10:27 AM

Re: Would you do a Manu Ginobli for Joe Johnson deal?
 
it's hard to say ginobili has hit his prime and won't improve when he had his best season just last year.

the only big moves the spurs will make that will affect the core will come in the summer of 2010. no subtle alterations of the big 3 until then. no rebuilding of any kind until we see an overhaul (which of course won't include duncan and parker)

ZeN 09-01-2008 10:30 AM

Re: Would you do a Manu Ginobli for Joe Johnson deal?
 
I would soooo do that If I were the spurs...

Connoisseur 09-01-2008 10:44 AM

Re: Would you do a Manu Ginobli for Joe Johnson deal?
 
If the Spurs traded Manu, they'd have noone to count on to initiate plays down the stretch. JJ is similar to Redd, he's just a scorer and not much of anything else.

chains5000 09-01-2008 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Connoisseur
If the Spurs traded Manu, they'd have noone to count on to initiate plays down the stretch. JJ is similar to Redd, he's just a scorer and not much of anything else.

5.8 apg = not much of anything else?:confusedshrug:

Anti404 09-01-2008 10:48 AM

Re: Would you do a Manu Ginobli for Joe Johnson deal?
 
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Originally Posted by Connoisseur
If the Spurs traded Manu, they'd have noone to count on to initiate plays down the stretch. JJ is similar to Redd, he's just a scorer and not much of anything else.

So that's why he wanted to initially play point guard in ATL... and that's why he's averaged 6.5, 4.4, and 5.8 assists per game in his time with ATL.

Nets fan 93 09-01-2008 10:49 AM

Re: Would you do a Manu Ginobli for Joe Johnson deal?
 
Spurs- Hell yeah in a blink
Hawks- :no:

Johnson is almost a superstar

Mateo 09-01-2008 10:53 AM

Re: Would you do a Manu Ginobli for Joe Johnson deal?
 
Hard move to pull for either team. JJ is the one player the Hawks can rely on, the one guy that doesn't have "young player syndrome". Manu can be relied on except for when he's injured. So the Hawks, being a young rebuilding team, are better off with Johnson.

The Spurs shouldn't break up the big 3. Even if it works towards the rebuilding plan, the big 3 are who won them 3 championships so you have to stick with that. The big 3 are still very productive, it's the old supporting cast that has to be rebuilt. They have been trying to do that by bringing in some of their recent draft picks but so far little luck.

mrhoopfan 09-01-2008 11:14 AM

Re: Would you do a Manu Ginobli for Joe Johnson deal?
 
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Originally Posted by chains5000
Born in 77, if he isn't already, it's not gonna take long.
Why would you do it?



He's the ultimate competitor, and I think on a team where he was the #1 option he'd put up about 24 a game....he's also exciting and would put fans in the seats as Atlanta's Latin population is really starting to grow


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