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Maniak 09-13-2008 04:44 PM

Jamario Moon
 
What do you guys think of him and how he will impact the Raptors in these coming years?

Numbers, dunk contest results, etc.

Qwyjibo 09-13-2008 04:59 PM

Re: Jamario Moon
 
I think he can be a 10 & 6.5 player in 28-30 minutes per game. Nothing spectacular but a solid starter.

He is 28 so it is very unlikely that he is all of a sudden going to improve his handles or his jump shot. If he could have, he would have by now. The areas where you will see him improve is in things like shot selection, help D, and just overall bball IQ. Mental and intangible things are areas where I hope he will make progress rather than any actual skills.

With Parker on the decline, Moon will probably be the best perimeter defender on the Raptors next season. That is why I want him to stay in that starting lineup. Kapono can shoot and all but not being able to defend a single starting opposing SF is a big hole in his game. Moon will be the roamer this season getting open mid-range shots and plenty offensive rebound opportunities with the focus on Bosh and O'Neal.

kmart 09-14-2008 01:34 AM

Re: Jamario Moon
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Qwyjibo
I think he can be a 10 & 6.5 player in 28-30 minutes per game. Nothing spectacular but a solid starter.

He is 28 so it is very unlikely that he is all of a sudden going to improve his handles or his jump shot. If he could have, he would have by now. The areas where you will see him improve is in things like shot selection, help D, and just overall bball IQ. Mental and intangible things are areas where I hope he will make progress rather than any actual skills.

With Parker on the decline, Moon will probably be the best perimeter defender on the Raptors next season. That is why I want him to stay in that starting lineup. Kapono can shoot and all but not being able to defend a single starting opposing SF is a big hole in his game. Moon will be the roamer this season getting open mid-range shots and plenty offensive rebound opportunities with the focus on Bosh and O'Neal.


I do think we need a permiter defender at the 2-3 Kapono not the offensive scorer but a solid defender because Parker is aging and Kapono can't guard s*** and with our backcourt were gonna get killed by teams that have a good backcourt.

T-Low 09-14-2008 03:06 AM

Re: Jamario Moon
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kmart
I do think we need a permiter defender at the 2-3 Kapono not the offensive scorer but a solid defender because Parker is aging and Kapono can't guard s*** and with our backcourt were gonna get killed by teams that have a good backcourt.


We are certainly aging...*cough*Moon*cough*

Zan Tabak 09-14-2008 12:09 PM

Re: Jamario Moon
 
For me ..I'm pretty happy with Moon's defensive game ..it's his offense he needs too work on , especially driving to the hole...if he would take it to the hole more often he would change the out look of the Raps , but his tendency to want to take jump shots not only hurts his game it under utilizes his God given abilities.

Maniak 09-14-2008 12:25 PM

Re: Jamario Moon
 
yeah

he needs to learn to put the ball on the floor and his overall handles, if he does itll help him ALOT

b4ball 09-14-2008 03:05 PM

Re: Jamario Moon
 
What we need that Moon can't deliver is perimiter defense. So who cares what else he can do? Anybody with minutes contributes something, but what they contribute need's to match the teams need's, and Moon does not fit this teams needs with his abilities. Moon is cheap, that's where is value is.

This is why Mo Pete was so valuable to us, he could shoot, would drive to the basketball and played excellent perimiter defense.

A Peterson type player with Bosh and a healthy JO to me would be a top shelf front court.

bballnoob 09-14-2008 04:44 PM

Re: Jamario Moon
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by b4ball
What we need that Moon can't deliver is perimiter defense. So who cares what else he can do? Anybody with minutes contributes something, but what they contribute need's to match the teams need's, and Moon does not fit this teams needs with his abilities. Moon is cheap, that's where is value is.

This is why Mo Pete was so valuable to us, he could shoot, would drive to the basketball and played excellent perimiter defense.

A Peterson type player with Bosh and a healthy JO to me would be a top shelf front court.


Yeah I was hoping we would retain Mo just based on what he would give us for that cost compared to what else was out there at the FA market. Obviously there was Posey and a lot of people (including myself) felt that Pietrus was a good investment but I think keeping Mo wouldn't have been a bad move. Trouble now with having Kapono is he doesn't have much versatility, he's basically a 25 mpg max player at only one position.

However, if Moon can learn to finish at the rim stronger and not take threes, I'd be fine with having him starting. These things are not out of the question, I'm not hoping for miracles with his jumpshot or handles.

Dr.Funk 09-14-2008 05:29 PM

Re: Jamario Moon
 
This season I hope Moon takes more shots and more threes.

I think his jumper is very underrated and when he is under control he has a very nice jumper with great form.

Personally I think Moon is going to take the biggest step forward this season. People say that he is already 28 and such so if he hasn't learned it by now he won't learn it, well that couldn't be further from the truth.

Moon has never been in a place where he was taught. He been bopuncing from league to league to league. Never stayed in one place. He had to concern himself with just finding a job. Now that he has a secured job and it is at the highest level of basketball working with the best teachers for basketball, he can learn stuff that he never had the oppertunity to learn before.

brwnman 09-14-2008 06:29 PM

Re: Jamario Moon
 
Moon's jumpshot improved every month of the season, and he found his range and stopped shooting that many 3s. It's his handles that needs work, if he could get better handles, he can take a big step forward...

b4ball 09-14-2008 06:36 PM

Re: Jamario Moon
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr.Funk
This season I hope Moon takes more shots and more threes.

I think his jumper is very underrated and when he is under control he has a very nice jumper with great form.

Personally I think Moon is going to take the biggest step forward this season. People say that he is already 28 and such so if he hasn't learned it by now he won't learn it, well that couldn't be further from the truth.

Moon has never been in a place where he was taught. He been bopuncing from league to league to league. Never stayed in one place. He had to concern himself with just finding a job. Now that he has a secured job and it is at the highest level of basketball working with the best teachers for basketball, he can learn stuff that he never had the oppertunity to learn before.


Wow, just Wow.

If you want more shots why not ask the leading three point percentage player two years running in the NBA, THAT HAPPENS TO BE ON YOUR TEAM.

The reason he has bounced around is because he's not that good. And his secured job, as you call it, is a one year minimum guaranteed contract.

And his teacher is Sam Mitchell!!

Now you may like Moon and really, really hope hope he has a good year. Everybody roots for the underdog, but the underdog rarely wins, and he won last year. To expect him to win again and improve, not on what he already does relatively well, but on what the team needs, well good money tells you that's a bad bet.

Perimiter defending is what this team needs, and he's not very good at it. And that's why Kapono is not likely to start either. If either of those guys starts, that will only further highlight the need for that Bargnani trade that and a lot of Raptors fans feel is required to get to the next level to find that player. What is for sure, is that Moon is not that guy.

RapsFan 09-14-2008 07:38 PM

Re: Jamario Moon
 
Moon to me is at best a decent role player. No way he should be near a team's 4th best player....that concerns me.

I actually hated Mo Pete....hate is a strong word, but I wasn't a fan. However, he would ironically be IDEAL for us to start at the 2 with Moon at 3 or at the 3 with AP.

Zan Tabak 09-14-2008 09:38 PM

Re: Jamario Moon
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RapsFan
Moon to me is at best a decent role player. No way he should be near a team's 4th best player....that concerns me.

I actually hated Mo Pete....hate is a strong word, but I wasn't a fan. However, he would ironically be IDEAL for us to start at the 2 with Moon at 3 or at the 3 with AP.

Yeah..Mo Pete's perimeter defense would be ideal for the latest version of the Raptors..now that N.O got Posey ..does that make Mo expendable?

kmart 09-15-2008 12:42 AM

Re: Jamario Moon
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Zan Tabak
Yeah..Mo Pete's perimeter defense would be ideal for the latest version of the Raptors..now that N.O got Posey ..does that make Mo expendable?


i don't think that mo pete is expendable for the hornets there depth looks really weak and even if posey started there bench would look like this mo pete, wright, bowen, ely, james...etc mo pete will be a starter or the main guy off the bench.

even if mo pete was avaliable we would have no assets for him other than j.kapp because of our salary cap

Burgz 09-15-2008 08:12 AM

Re: Jamario Moon
 
his best case scenario at his peak would be a shawn marion type
taking maybe 3or 4 jumpshots a game
not that he cant shoot, hes decent, i just think his talents should be focus elsewhere where we need it like the boards and defense


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