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[QUOTE=miles berg]That Rashard Lewis contract has to be the hardest contract in sports to trade. Absolutely horrible contract.[/QUOTE]
Its funny because when you think in terms of "untouchable" you think of Lebron, Dwight, etc. But in reality, I think Rashard Lewis is the only true untouchable player, not because of his talent, but because of the ridiculous amount he is making and the longevity of the contract. No GM in their right mind would give up anything for a contract of that magnitude unless they themselves are unloading an even worse mix of contracts. And that would be incredibly stupid and would never happen
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I dont know if this has been said or pointed out, but im pretty sure it has. At the age of 33, even though he doesnt show signs of slowing down, its human nature that he will. He has accomplished individual success and made his money in the NBA. Is is time for for the championship move and go to a competitive team?
Sureley nobody would give him a big contract after this one expires right? maybe in the 10 mil range? will he be willing to take a lower cut to play for team like San Antonio. Or maybe the time frame is just right to join the last year Boston will be competitive in 2010/11, basically when the big three is on its last leg. I know many argues that Iverson cannot fit as a role player. But his perfect role (as a role player), would be off the bench, give him the ball and give a major offensive boost when needed.
I dont know when that will happen because as i said, there's no signs of slowing down. still quick and aggressive. the question is when his contract is up, what offers can he expect. He is still producing but he would have been in the league around 13 years and he is getting closer to his mid 30's. whats the highest and longest term would a team offer iverson and is he still looking for that or will he take a backseat to a championship team.
I would love to see this guy get a ring before its all said and done and i think he can do that while being a vital part for the team.
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[QUOTE=Posterize246]Remember Nick Van Exel back when he was on the Mavs? Dude was such a spark for them off the bench. I can see Iverson in that same type of role somewhere.
[B]Van Exel's Stats With Dallas[/B]
27.8 mpg
12.5 ppg
4.3 apg
38% from deep
Seemed like he scored in loads when he was on that team[/QUOTE]
But you have to realize that Iverson is on a whole nother level than Van Exel.
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honestly i'd like to see if iverson is about winning or stats. i think the nuggets of last year would've been much better to have allen iverson move the ball, play good defense, and score when needed. obviously that didn't happen.
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[QUOTE=Maniak]CE-?
PF-Michael Beasley
SF-Shawn Marion
SG-Dwyane Wade
PG-Allen Iverson
Not bad on the heat.
CE-Shaq
PF-Amare
SF-Hill
SG-Iverson
PG-Nash
Not bad on the suns.[/QUOTE]
Apart from Amare that would be one old azz Suns first-team.
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[QUOTE=Interminator]But you have to realize that Iverson is on a whole nother level than Van Exel.[/QUOTE]
You also have to realize that AI's stats will take a hit and that he most likely will be less effective in more limited minutes. I think he has the ability to shoot out of scoring slumps bc of the minutes he gets. Scorers take the biggest hit out of all types of players when they get minutes cut. Its just more difficult to get into rhythm
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[QUOTE=Maniak]CE-?
PF-Michael Beasley
SF-Shawn Marion
SG-Dwyane Wade
PG-Allen Iverson
Not bad on the heat.
CE-Shaq
PF-Amare
SF-Hill
SG-Iverson
PG-Nash
Not bad on the suns.[/QUOTE]
That Miami team would be horrible due to the fact there would be 3 guys on the court looking to score first and Wade and A.I. can't co-exist since both have similar games,except Wade attacks the basket more.
Iverson on the Suns would be interesting,but Nash is the primary ballhandler who runs the offense.
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[QUOTE=ihatetimthomas][B]No GM in their right mind [/B]would give up anything for a contract of that magnitude unless they themselves are unloading an even worse mix of contracts. And that would be incredibly stupid and [B]would never happen [/B][/QUOTE]
First of all you have to ask yourself how many GM's are in their right mind. I have been following the Hawks since '93 and IMO we have yet to get a GM in his right mind.
Just this past season we saw Gasol traded for Kwame. If someone had proposed that trade in a thread would you have said "that sounds like a good deal"?
Personally i was stunned when Rashard signed his deal and it is just another example of a GM not in their right mind. I would love to know what went on behind the scenes there.
However the only way Iverson gets traded is if the Nuggets take one or more big contracts in return. There is no way around it. The only teams with cap room that i know of are Memphis and Charlotte and Iverson isn't going there. He isn't getting traded for expirers because he is one.
At this point his ability as a player is secondary to his contract status in terms of trades. No team has any reason to trade for Iverson unless they can get rid of one or more bad contracts.
[QUOTE=ChuckOakley]That's why in the trade I proposed they also get rid of either Nene's or K-Mart's ridiculous contract as well as landing modest talent (D.West or D.Gibson + 2 #1 picks)
[/QUOTE]
Nene's contract isn't that bad for a center assuming he actually stays on the court. Martin's is pretty bad though.
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[QUOTE=Posterize246]If there was any way possible of seeing an Iverson trade midseason to the Rockets, I'd love to see it. Yao/McGrady/Artest/AI:eek:[/QUOTE]
not enough shots for that team.Tmac and yao are better. so how would react to differing to them. the fact is AI is only effective when he dominates the ball and chucks up a ton of shots. with the rockets, thats not gonna cut it.
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[QUOTE=ihatetimthomas]You also have to realize that AI's stats will take a hit and that he most likely will be less effective in more limited minutes. I think he has the ability to shoot out of scoring slumps bc of the minutes he gets. Scorers take the biggest hit out of all types of players when they get minutes cut. Its just more difficult to get into rhythm[/QUOTE]
Why does Iverson have to get limited minutes?
Why are people even suggesting that Iverson should be a 6th man or a bench player?
Iverson is without a doubt the 2nd best SG in the NBA and a Top 10 player in the NBA currently,but just because his contract is up and he doesn't have a Championship ring he now needs to come off the bench and provide a limited role when he is still one of the fastest players in the NBA and one of the top scorers.:confusedshrug:
These suggestions in this thread are stupid.
Iverson will go elsewhere if not Denver,maybe not a contendor and continue to put up great numbers and put fans in the seats.
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Can someone seriously suggest to me why Iverson should all of a sudden want a reduced role and ride benches for a Championship when he just put up 26.4/7.1 last season.:confusedshrug:
He's not old,he's still in his prime like Jordan was at 33 and other great players from the past.
Wow this thread is ****ing stupid.
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Hmm.
Iverson, Nene/Martin, Atkins
for
Hinrich, Hughes, and Gooden
[url]http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=1711~1981~356~1713~26~366&teams=7~7~7~4~4~4&te=&cash=[/url]
OK, time to defend my terrible idea.
1. Denver doesn't get a ton of expirers, but moving Nene/Martin makes sure they don't get any worse financially.
2. Denver now has roleplayers to build with.
Hinrich/Hughes
Smith/Kleiza
Anthony
Gooden/Anderson
Martin or Nene/Hunter.
That team is BALANCED. Something Denver hasn't seen in a long time. Hinrich and Hughes actually play defense and move the ball. Anthony would look a lot better with that supporting cast.
3. Chicago gets a world class scorer in Iverson, a big upgrade from Ben Gordon (who they can still try to sign and trade for a big man). They would have enough offense for the upcoming season and let Thomas and Noah develop with a vet big man backing them up.
Rose/Atkins
Iverson/Sefolosha
Deng/Nocioni
Thomas/Martin or Nene
Noah/Martine or Nene
Which one works better IYO, Nene or Martin?
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[QUOTE=shaoyut]iverson for macgrady?[/QUOTE]
Get the hell out of here. rockets say hell no. the turned down a offer of ri and billups for mcdaddy. what makes you think they would take a inferior offer of iverson. mcgrady>iverson.
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[QUOTE=Luigi]Hmm.
Iverson, Nene/Martin, Atkins
for
Hinrich, Hughes, and Gooden
[url]http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=1711~1981~356~1713~26~366&teams=7~7~7~4~4~4&te=&cash=[/url]
OK, time to defend my terrible idea.
1. Denver doesn't get a ton of expirers, but moving Nene/Martin makes sure they don't get any worse financially.
2. Denver now has roleplayers to build with.
Hinrich/Hughes
Smith/Kleiza
Anthony
Gooden/Anderson
Martin or Nene/Hunter.
That team is BALANCED. Something Denver hasn't seen in a long time. Hinrich and Hughes actually play defense and move the ball. Anthony would look a lot better with that supporting cast.
3. Chicago gets a world class scorer in Iverson, a big upgrade from Ben Gordon (who they can still try to sign and trade for a big man). They would have enough offense for the upcoming season and let Thomas and Noah develop with a vet big man backing them up.
Rose/Atkins
Iverson/Sefolosha
Deng/Nocioni
Thomas/Martin or Nene
Noah/Martine or Nene
Which one works better IYO, Nene or Martin?[/QUOTE]
Martin and Nene are both health risks but Nene is younger but I doubt Denver would part with either at this point since they're so thin in the front court at the 4/5.
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[QUOTE=Interminator]Martin and Nene are both health risks but Nene is younger but I doubt Denver would part with either at this point since they're so thin in the front court at the 4/5.[/QUOTE]
They would get Gooden in return though, and shed salary in the process (gooden's 1 year, martin's 3, nene's 4).
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[QUOTE=ronnymac]Get the hell out of here. rockets say hell no.[/QUOTE]
Both teams would disagree.
Iverson is a better player than McGrady at this point but McGrady is more versatile.
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[QUOTE=Luigi]They would get Gooden in return though, and shed salary in the process (gooden's 1 year, martin's 3, nene's 4).[/QUOTE]
Denver would rather move K-Mart but I don't know why Chicago would do this deal being that with that squad they'd only be maybe a 3 seed in the East at Best.
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[QUOTE=Interminator]Why does Iverson have to get limited minutes?
Why are people even suggesting that Iverson should be a 6th man or a bench player?
[B]Iverson is without a doubt the 2nd best SG in the NBA[/B] and a Top 10 player in the NBA currently,but just because his contract is up and he doesn't have a Championship ring he now needs to come off the bench and provide a limited role when he is still one of the fastest players in the NBA and one of the top scorers.:confusedshrug:
These suggestions in this thread are stupid.
Iverson will go elsewhere if not Denver,maybe not a contendor and continue to put up great numbers and put fans in the seats.[/QUOTE]
Is he better than Kobe and Wade?
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[QUOTE=Interminator]Denver would rather move K-Mart but I don't know why Chicago would do this deal being that with that squad they'd only be maybe a 3 seed in the East at Best.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I was grabbing at straws to get Chicago to take it. The best I could come up with is that they already have a spot in the offense for an undersized scorer, and AI is an major upgrade.
Both teams are set for a second trade with new partners with Kleiza (playing behind Anthony) and Nocioni (playing behind Deng).
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[QUOTE=ihatetimthomas]Is he better than Kobe and Wade?[/QUOTE]
1.Kobe
2.[B]A.I.[/B]
3.Wade
I am simply amazed at how after the Olympics everyone has returned to believing in D-Wade when just a few months ago people here thought it would be a good deal to trade him in a package deal for the #1 pick.
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[QUOTE=Interminator]1.Kobe
2.[B]A.I.[/B]
3.Wade
I am simply amazed at how after the Olympics everyone has returned to believing in D-Wade when just a few months ago people here thought it would be a good deal to trade him in a package deal for the #1 pick.[/QUOTE]
I never thought AI was above Wade as a player. Not for the past few seasons. AI produced more last seaosn bc of Wade being injured but I never thought he was still the better player. And you could get the #1 pick for Wade where there is 0% chance of a team trading AI for a #1 pick.
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[QUOTE=Luigi]Yeah, I was grabbing at straws to get Chicago to take it. The best I could come up with is that they already have a spot in the offense for an undersized scorer, and AI is an major upgrade.
Both teams are set for a second trade with new partners with Kleiza (playing behind Anthony) and Nocioni (playing behind Deng).[/QUOTE]
I just don't think either team should make a move now.
But if Iverson were to be traded I think he would be better off in Charlotte.
[quote]
[B]Den:[/B]Jason Richardson,Nazr Mohammed,Adam Morrison
[B]Char:[/B]Allen Iverson[/quote]
Charlotte would have to add some more veteran pieces to fill out the bench and help out in the front court but Charlotte's current starting line-up is perfect for Iverson.
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[QUOTE=Interminator]Both teams would disagree.
Iverson is a better player than McGrady at this point but McGrady is more versatile.[/QUOTE]
Better scorer, yes, but nowhere near the allround player mcgrady is. mcgrady overall is a better player.most expert have the SG ranking as
Kobe
Wade
McGrady
AI.
I think he is better then gino, but mcgrady and wade are a stretch,
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[QUOTE=ihatetimthomas]I never thought AI was above Wade as a player. Not for the past few seasons. AI produced more last seaosn bc of Wade being injured but I never thought he was still the better player. And you could get the #1 pick for Wade where there is 0% chance of a team trading AI for a #1 pick.[/QUOTE]
OK.
That's your opinion,like its some people's opinions that Barkley is better than Malone.:confusedshrug:
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[QUOTE=ronnymac]Better scorer, yes, but nowhere near the allround player mcgrady is. mcgeady overall is a better player.[/QUOTE]
Who the **** is mcgeady?:roll: :roll:
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[QUOTE=Interminator]Who the **** is mcgeady?:roll: :roll:[/QUOTE]
It was a typo.
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he didn't live up to everyone's expectations in DEN. could u imagine him on BOS? :eek:
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That's exactly where I think he would improve a team - Boston.
If Allen was not their , AI would work much better in pick & roll , pick and pop around Garnett as well as Pierce.
But for any back court to use AI correctly he needs a big tall SG that can play defense.
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[QUOTE=Interminator]Can someone seriously suggest to me why Iverson should all of a sudden want a reduced role and ride benches for a Championship when he just put up 26.4/7.1 last season.:confusedshrug:
He's not old,he's still in his prime like Jordan was at 33 and other great players from the past.
Wow this thread is ****ing stupid.[/QUOTE]
Maybe because we're talking about another year from now? He won't put up 26/7 this year. Maybe 23/7? In the '09-'10 season when he's 34 years old he won't put that up. The reason I made the Van Exel comparison is because Nick was putting up 21/8 at the time he was traded, not too far off from what Iverson will be doing next year.
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[QUOTE=Jasper]That's exactly where I think he would improve a team - Boston.
If Allen was not their , AI would work much better in pick & roll , pick and pop around Garnett as well as Pierce.
But for any back court to use AI correctly he needs a [B]big tall SG that can play defense[/B].[/QUOTE]
Guards who would pair well with AI:
Larry Hughes
Kirk Hinrich
Chauncey Billups
Joe Johnson?
Deshawn Stevenson
Jason Kidd?
Tracy McGrady
Raja Bell
I believe AI is most effective playing off the ball. If he could get a big guard that could run an offense and switch on defense so AI guards the point, he could become super effective on both ends.
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[QUOTE=Posterize246]Maybe because we're talking about another year from now? He won't put up 26/7 this year. Maybe 23/7? In the '09-'10 season when he's 34 years old he won't put that up. The reason I made the Van Exel comparison is because Nick was putting up 21/8 at the time he was traded, not too far off from what Iverson will be doing next year.[/QUOTE]
How do you know? Are you his agent or something?
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Go back to East Allen!
Orlando make it happen!! :cheers:
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He better stay away from the suns .
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[QUOTE=guy]He has the ability to be a 20/10 player, maybe on low efficiency, but he has had that ability his whole career. It would be great if he can turn into that, but unfortunately I think he's too old and too stuck in his ways.[/QUOTE]
Oh there is no doubt in my mind Iverson can put up 20 and 10. My point is, if he goes to any contender in the league and play HIS STYLE OF PLAY and put up his usual 30 and 7 or 28 and 8 or whatever, that contending team probably doesnt improve, and maybe even take a step back.
If he wanna go to a contender and actualy make that team better? He will basically have to drastically tone down his game and put up pedestrian numbers. Like a off the bench energy guy with the second unit, or a pesky passing lane-playing, run-around-the-court-disrupting-everyone-type of players. He'll also help a team as a ball handler who is not the focal point of the offense, someone who'll set up the play and back the hell off, only coming in if the shotclock is winding down and we need someone to creat something.
If he plays the same way he always plays, the ball-dominating, everything-runs-through-me style on the Spurs/Lakers/Suns/Boston/Cavs. They probaly take a step back. His style still help a team lacking the firepower/talent, but not on a team that's already a contender. They already have the firepower, and they have a system that will only be disrupted by a ball stopper.
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[QUOTE=23airjordan23]He better stay away from the suns .[/QUOTE]
He will. Dont worry.
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[QUOTE=AItheAnswer3]How do you know? Are you his agent or something?[/QUOTE]
:wtf: How would his agent know?
I'm as big an AI fan as anyone. I've watched him from the time I was 7. But if you think he's still putting up 26ppg as a 35 year old you're clutchin his nuts a little too hard.
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[QUOTE=Posterize246]:wtf: How would his agent know?
I'm as big an AI fan as anyone. I've watched him from the time I was 7. But if you think he's still putting up 26ppg as a 35 year old you're clutchin his nuts a little too hard.[/QUOTE]
:lol
You said he wont put up 26/7 [B]THIS[/B] year. I dont see why he wont. Unless he gets traded to some team.
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[QUOTE=AItheAnswer3]:lol
You said he wont put up 26/7 [B]THIS[/B] year. I dont see why he wont. Unless he gets traded to some team.[/QUOTE]
It's possible. But I would guess more in the 23ppg range.
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[QUOTE=AItheAnswer3]How do you know? Are you his agent or something?[/QUOTE]
Exactly.
This has been said every offseaon since he turned 30 that his stats were going to drop off the following season and yet they remain consistent.
Posterize can you explain what makes you believe Iverson's stats will drop?
Iverson was injury-free last season and put in 42 MPG at 32 but all of a sudden after turning 33 he's going to not be able to do it again next season.:roll:
The only way Iverson's scoring stats drop are if he decides to play like a PG this season and with how much he dominates the ball he'd end up putting up a 20/10 season.