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Re: Blazers score basket against Celtics using six players on the court
Well if it was a play at the end of the game it would have been a completely different story. I'd just consider it a very bad call that gives the other team a couple of points and that's about it. Now if Portland had won the game on that play.....hooo boy, that'd almost be Dallas-Miami game 5-esque.
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Re: Blazers score basket against Celtics using six players on the court
[QUOTE=No.45]karma.[/QUOTE]
:rockon:
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It's not THAT big of a deal. The Blazers cheated and the refs failed to realise - Just like if Fernandez scored a three with a foot out of bounds or if Aldridge punched Garnett in the face then scored while he was on the ground capitalising on the 4v5. Refs make mistakes every game.
The funny thing is only KG noticed the advantage the Blazers had, and that was only after he saw everyone was guarding their man and there was STILL a loose player. :lol
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Whats the big deal? KG cheats all the time with his illegal picks and grabbing peoples jerseys. The game was full of terrible calls that went both directions. Oden flagrant foul on ray allen???? The Celtics have nothing to cry about here.
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[QUOTE=nosurrender]this is messed up because
1. This was supposed to be a tech on coach mcmillan
2. This was supposed to be a turnover on portland,
resulting in a +3 for boston.[/QUOTE]
There was a tech and Allen hit the free throw.
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[QUOTE=insidehoops][URL="http://www.insidehoops.com/blog/?p=2883"]http://www.insidehoops.com/blog/?p=2883[/URL]
Tuesday night in Portland the Trail Blazers are hosting the Boston Celtics and late in the second quarter were losing to the visiters 44-38.
With 10 seconds left in the half, Portland took a 20-second timeout. A Blazers substitution brought Jerryd Bayless into the game. [B]Greg Oden was supposed to leave the game, but he didn
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They refs were just counting on KG to take the Blazer's 6th man out.
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I missed this game but saw the vid. I find it hard to believe three referees didn't notice 6 white jerseys on the court. But it's not the reason the Celtics lost.
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Re: The NBA of 2009: 6 on 5!
[QUOTE=pete's montreux]Here's the scenario:
Boston @ Portland, end of the second quarter, 10.1 seconds left on the clock. Portland is passing the ball inbounds with six players in the game. Oden gets the ball and passes to Outlaw for the jam to end the half. The entire Celtics team and staff are going insane.
The referee's say it was their mistake, they allow the basket, and Boston shoots a technical free throw.
Let me say that again, they allowed the basket.
Refs call the league office, their response is that it's a technicality and the bucket is good, and there's nothing they can do about it.
[B]What's to stop a team for having 6 guys on the floor at any given time to score a three? All the other team gets is a technical free throw.[/B]
Absurd. I don't even want to watch the NBA anymore.[/QUOTE]
Agree. Stupid the play wasn't reset. I'd set up a 6 on 5 anytime I'm down one with 10 seconds left on purpose if that's the case. What as well take the chance if all you're giving up is a free throw that potentially may be missed. Kinda like the extra attacker in hockey.
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[QUOTE=Scott Pippen]What a shame. But we have known now for years that in NBA the refs decide game's outcome[/QUOTE]
This was just before halftime.
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[QUOTE=Allstar24]:roll:
This really shouldn't be an issue anymore because the officials made up for their slip-up by trying to give away the game to Boston, with those awful bail out calls at the end. Anyway, it is inexcusable for a team like Boston to lose to the Blazers (playing without their best player).[/QUOTE]
Didn't the Lakers lose to Sacramento with Kevin Martin sitting out the game with an injury?
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[QUOTE=Myth]My guess is that the rule is like that in case something happens for several plays in a row. The refs can't just go, "Oh wait up, we need to start the whole quarter over." Especially since without replay they can't figure out at which point there was too many players.[/QUOTE]
Yep. It sucks but, this kind of thing will happen occasionally. Fortunately this is just one regular season game, which a team like the Cs can afford to lose (and the blown call wasn't the biggest reason for the loss anyway).
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it sucks LOL but KG sure had his eyes on bayless and not on oden where he was supposed to be. im surprised no one made a crack on that yet.
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It's hard to believe the Blazers played with 6 men for 4 full minutes until someone noticed. Incredible.....
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[QUOTE=bagelred]Hmmmmmmm.............
I assume referees missed fact there were 6 men on court, so game play started. Once game play resumed, and after score, referees realized what happened, calling the technical foul. But I guess technically refs can't go backwards and replay those 10 seconds, so the technical foul is the only recourse.
They can't replay it. It's just a blown call by the refs.
On rare occassions, this can happen. Especially in football, where a team might get away with 12 players on a play here or there.....I don't think its as big a deal as people think, just comical.......[/QUOTE]
this is the correct point of view and the way the league views it. The refs ****ed upp, but all they can do is call a tech after the fact. Pretty sure they cant reset and "do over" under the rule book. If boston lost by 1, I could see it being a big deal.
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[QUOTE=bagelred]It's hard to believe the Blazers played with 6 men for 4 full minutes until someone noticed. Incredible.....[/QUOTE]
:oldlol:
You forgot the [/sarcasm] at the end. Funny post.
:applause:
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[QUOTE=hateraid]Agree. Stupid the play wasn't reset. I'd set up a 6 on 5 anytime I'm down one with 10 seconds left on purpose if that's the case. What as well take the chance if all you're giving up is a free throw that potentially may be missed. Kinda like the extra attacker in hockey.[/QUOTE]
here is why this is a stupid idea. Most of the time the refs will catch it and call the tech on you before a score, maybe even before the inbound. So youd have to be awfully sneaky in order for this to work.
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All a player has to do is sprint off the bench, set a screen for someone, catch an alley oop, and score a basket. All it would be is a technical free throw for the other team. You don't have to sneak in. [I]That's[/I] the problem with the rule.
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[QUOTE=pete's montreux]All a player has to do is sprint off the bench, set a screen for someone, catch an alley oop, and score a basket. All it would be is a technical free throw for the other team. You don't have to sneak in. [I]That's[/I] the problem with the rule.[/QUOTE]
It wouldn't be just a technical, they would take away the basket. It's only if the play restarts and the other team inbounds the ball and the play goes on, and THEN they figure out what happened that you cannot take the basket away.
Once the play restarts, you cannot change decisions. That goes for every rule, not just the one about how many players are allowed on the court at once.
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Yeah, this whole thing is ridiculous. Ref's should not have allowed the basket, and they should have set the clock back to however much time was set and Portland would re-inbound the ball. That's the logical thing to do in that scenario. Just re-do the thing, 6 on 5 is an absolute disgrace. The ref's are at it once again.
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Actually, it should have been a no basket and a turnover. I wouldn't even have called a technical. Just waive the basket and give Boston the ball at half court.
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[QUOTE=pete's montreux]Actually, it should have been a no basket and a turnover. I wouldn't even have called a technical. Just waive the basket and give Boston the ball at half court.[/QUOTE]of course you would. you're a boston fan.
the logical thing to do is what FOURCE OF NATURE said.
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[QUOTE=1~Gibson~1]of course you would. you're a boston fan.
the logical thing to do is what FOURCE OF NATURE said.[/QUOTE]
Rule infractions have to have penalties, else there's no disincentive to trying them. If you know they'll give you the ball back if you do get caught then why not try playing six men?
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Wow they actually counted the basket :oldlol:. Officiating in the NBA is for clowns. How the **** did the refs even let 6 players on the court in the first place? :roll:
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This whole idea of the refs not being able to "reset" the play is a load of BS that people are pulling out of their ass. My memory on this is a bit fuzzy but a few years ago the Rockets were playing I think the Hawks. It was the start of the second half, the Rockets got the ball went downcourt and Yao scored a basket. While the Hawks were down court on offense, the refs stopped the game because they realized the teams hadn't switched baskets. After deliberating, the refs decided to RESTART the 2nd half even though 40 seconds had gone off the clock. So they can decide to wipe out a basket for something petty like that, but not if a team has 6 players on the court?
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[QUOTE=ForceOfNature]Yeah, this whole thing is ridiculous. Ref's should not have allowed the basket, and they should have set the clock back to however much time was set and Portland would re-inbound the ball. That's the logical thing to do in that scenario. Just re-do the thing, 6 on 5 is an absolute disgrace. The ref's are at it once again.[/QUOTE]
It was the Blazers fault for having that many people out though. It should have been a TO.
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[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green]Rule infractions have to have penalties, else there's no disincentive to trying them. If you know they'll give you the ball back if you do get caught then why not try playing six men?[/QUOTE]
you should read the quote from the ref in jeff's post on this (linked by truehoop). If they caught it before the basket, it would have been blown dead, a T would be called and then the team would get the ball back.
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[QUOTE=boozehound]you should read the quote from the ref in jeff's post on this (linked by truehoop). If they caught it before the basket, it would have been blown dead, a T would be called and then the team would get the ball back.[/QUOTE]
Interesting, well then that would obviously been the right call. The ref should not have counted the basket and be suspended regardless.
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I was replying to Gibson.
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[QUOTE=SCY]This whole idea of the refs not being able to "reset" the play is a load of BS that people are pulling out of their ass. My memory on this is a bit fuzzy but a few years ago the Rockets were playing I think the Hawks. It was the start of the second half, the Rockets got the ball went downcourt and Yao scored a basket. While the Hawks were down court on offense, the refs stopped the game because they realized the teams hadn't switched baskets. After deliberating, the refs decided to RESTART the 2nd half even though 40 seconds had gone off the clock. So they can decide to wipe out a basket for something petty like that, but not if a team has 6 players on the court?[/QUOTE]
the difference is that is an error on the officials part, not a violation of the rules by a team. Probably fall under different parts of the rulebook. I am sure the refs did the proper response based on the rules the NBA has established.
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[QUOTE=Godfather]It was the Blazers fault for having that many people out though. It should have been a TO.[/QUOTE]
Again, my understanding is that it would be a T against the team with 6, but that the possession wouldnt change.
I can understand why boston fans are mad, but again, they lost by what.... 5? Maybe it got into the players heads, but in the long run it didnt lose them the game. Imagine if it'd happened with 10 secs in the 4th and a close game.
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The game was closer than the score. C's were within 1 with 2 minutes to go, and within 2 in the final minute (i think) but lost by more because they were forced to foul at the end.
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Re: Blazers score basket against Celtics using six players on the court
they actually counted the basket?:wtf:
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[QUOTE=boozehound]Again, my understanding is that it would be a T against the team with 6, but that the possession wouldnt change.
I can understand why boston fans are mad, but again, they lost by what.... 5? Maybe it got into the players heads, but in the long run it didnt lose them the game. Imagine if it'd happened with 10 secs in the 4th and a close game.[/QUOTE]
I just agreed you were right (read the post right below your explanation).
It was a momentum changer though, no doubt about it.
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[QUOTE=Godfather]I just agreed you were right (read the post right below your explanation).
It was a momentum changer though, no doubt about it.[/QUOTE]
yeah sorry,. read it rifght after I posted it.
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Yeah it was a blown call, but dude... the Blazers were playing without Brandon Roy. That's an instant +30 in the Celtics' favor. :P
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[QUOTE=reppy]Yeah it was a blown call, but dude... the Blazers were playing without Brandon Roy. That's an instant +30 in the Celtics' favor. :P[/QUOTE]
Whether or not the game should have been close enough for the call to matter is an issue for the Cs to deal with internally in terms of coaching up the players a little better and addressing weaknesses. The refs still have a responsibility to make that situation right.
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took awhile but here's the rule...
[QUOTE]
Section III
d. It is the responsibility of each team to have the proper number of players on the court
when play begins. Failure to do so will result in a technical foul being assessed and charged
to the team.
EXCEPTION: If the violation occurs on (1) a free throw attempt which is to be followed
by another free throw attempt, or (2) a free throw attempt that is not going to remain
in play, (3) throw-in before the ball is released, or (4) jump ball before the ball is released.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.nba.com/media/2008-09-NBARuleBook.pdf[/url]
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