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jailer 06-03-2009 02:53 PM

Memphis trade proposal
 
I am reading more and more about a possible trade between the griz and the kings. Basically the griz trade the second pick for the kings fourth and jason thompson.

Have the fans in sacramento heard anything about this?

sak 06-04-2009 12:48 PM

Re: Memphis trade proposal
 
i sure hope not. Rubio is good. but hes already this cocky.. really.. You know who else had great ball handling and good shot making with insaine passing skills.. and cocky as hell.. Jason williams..Lets do that again? I was hoping we could trade down spots... can we do that? lol. maybe get someone else and draft someone like patrick mills or TWILL.. or both.. lol. Im really high on both these guys.. Twill is gonna be a steal. Geoff has always done great drafting in the mid to late rounds. Peja, Hedo, Gerald wallace, kevin martin.

SixersFan76 06-04-2009 07:09 PM

Re: Memphis trade proposal
 
What have you seen from Rubio to indicate he's more cocky than other NBA players who went in the lottery and were supposed to be top 10 pick, franchise players? What exactly has he done to be deemed cocky? Is confidence now equated with cockiness?

What is Jason Thompson's ceiling - he's 23 and he is a soft PF from Rider with a nice offensive game. Who would the Kings get at 4?

Rubio is 18 years old. What exactly do people expect he would be able to do right away? If given the chance to develop, he could be a Jason Kidd (when Kidd was in his absolute prime) type difference maker, who makes everyone on his team better and who can lead a team for the next 15 years. Are the Kings really going to ever win anything with Thompson and Hawes as their two bigs? Who is going to bang, rebound and do the dirty work there that all championship teams need? And who will be there at 4 who would do much of anything to make the Kings better? They don't need another shooting guard. Hill is a dime a dozen player. Thabeet and Griffin will be gone - so I guess it's Jrue Holiday or Jennings - guys who have no where near the ability to become transformational players as Rubio.

jailer 06-09-2009 03:23 PM

Re: Memphis trade proposal
 
So I guess its a split crowd? The kings need an actual good point guard. Im sure they already regret paying beno udrith all that money.

jailer 06-10-2009 04:07 PM

Re: Memphis trade proposal
 
I just read a report that the griz tried this exact trade and the kings said that the price was to steep. Apparently it was the kings pick at four and thompson for the grizzlies number two pick.

Oh well:violin:

SixersFan76 06-11-2009 01:19 PM

Re: Memphis trade proposal
 
No one is telling this truth at this point. I would wait and see. It's not a cheap price for sure and it's not a gimme trade. But you have to look at the long term with a rebuilding team and at who might be available. Kings are not a team that needs to add another piece - they need to add a difference maker.

Another option for the Kings would be to simply take Harden if he's available. He reminds people of Brandon Roy and that's probably not an unfair comparison. Martin has had some injury issues, but all things considered, his contract is relatively reasonable when he's healthy and he's still young. Kings could take Harden to be their SG of the future if they view him as a difference maker and obtain a nice little package in exchange for Martin.

The benefit of being a bad team is that you can do a lot of creative things without the fear of ruining a good thing. Kings have some very nice young pieces. Now the key is to figure out what pieces fit together and how, keeping some, and maximizing the return on others.

The way I see it, Rubio is projected to be a difference maker at PG in a few years. He's already a very good defender and has excellent size at the point. He would mesh well with Martin in the back court as he excels in getting his teammates open shots and defense, but is not a very good shooter. He'll take time - he's only 18.

Thompson is a very nice young player. He shows a lot of promise. But he also looks like a finnesse player who will never be an elite defender or post scorer. Hawes seems like the same type of player at C. It's much more difficult to get a true C versus a true PF and long term, could a team be a contender with two big guys who aren't adept at being bruisers at either end of the court? IF the answer is no, then you look to move Thompson while his value is very high and get a true difference maker. The price as reported seems steep, especially considering Memphis appears apprehensive and not sold on Thabeet and isn't a great fit for Rubio. So it's who can make them a best offer scenario.

Memphis could for example toss in Darrell Arthur and a top 10 protected first round pick for the future. They could agree to eat Kenny Thomas's contract, allowing Sacramento some maneuvrability in the free agent market.

Or Sacramento might think that Rubio isn't worth it to begin with, not rate him all that high, and take Harden or Evans and be right. It's a tough draft to call after Griffin.

jailer 06-11-2009 01:25 PM

Re: Memphis trade proposal
 
There is no way the griz would toss in another top ten pick. I could see them throwing in Darko Millic. He would be good mainly because he is an expiring contract.

SixersFan76 06-11-2009 04:45 PM

Re: Memphis trade proposal
 
Who would they take in return? Kings are not under the cap, so they can't take an expiring contract without sending another contract to Memphis?

My post said a top 10 protected pick, not a top 10 pick. That means by definition that any pick the Griz would eventually send back will be 11 or lower. They could even lottery protect it if they so chose. They would be swapping the 2nd for the 4th while also getting a lottery pick from last year who already showed something, so I'm not sure that a future, top 10 or lottery protected first rounder would stop them from doing the trade. The fact that they are even considering moving the second pick shows that they don't love Thabeet. Rubio is not a great fit there even if they move Conley, because Mayo handles the ball a lot. Rubio also clearly doesn't want to go there after talking to Pau, Marc and La Bomba.

jailer 06-12-2009 04:42 PM

Re: Memphis trade proposal
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SixersFan76
Who would they take in return? Kings are not under the cap, so they can't take an expiring contract without sending another contract to Memphis?

My post said a top 10 protected pick, not a top 10 pick. That means by definition that any pick the Griz would eventually send back will be 11 or lower. They could even lottery protect it if they so chose. They would be swapping the 2nd for the 4th while also getting a lottery pick from last year who already showed something, so I'm not sure that a future, top 10 or lottery protected first rounder would stop them from doing the trade. The fact that they are even considering moving the second pick shows that they don't love Thabeet. Rubio is not a great fit there even if they move Conley, because Mayo handles the ball a lot. Rubio also clearly doesn't want to go there after talking to Pau, Marc and La Bomba.


Um Marc actually went to spain with the grizzlies to translate and try and get rubio here. So yeah what your saying about Marc talking bad about the griz isnt true.

I missed the protection part of your post my bad.

I thought the kings had cap space?

sak 06-14-2009 02:01 PM

Re: Memphis trade proposal
 
Maybe Im a little lost on the cap space thing. The kings have like 3 or 4 freeagents that they probably arnt resigning. bobby jackson. mchants. boon. If they dont resign them that clears cap right?

Really asking. i dont know. lol. it should.

And the reason that i called him cocky in the first place was because of his comments on not wanting to go to certain teams and stuff. thats all. I just normaly feel when your coming into the nba at 18 you havnt proved anything. thats all.

I really think theres gonna be some surprises in this draft. there is stronger talent then most think.

And if JT goes it wont be that big a deal. I like IKE. Can we sign him plz... plz.

Rose 06-14-2009 09:01 PM

Re: Memphis trade proposal
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SixersFan76
No one is telling this truth at this point. I would wait and see. It's not a cheap price for sure and it's not a gimme trade. But you have to look at the long term with a rebuilding team and at who might be available. Kings are not a team that needs to add another piece - they need to add a difference maker.

Another option for the Kings would be to simply take Harden if he's available. He reminds people of Brandon Roy and that's probably not an unfair comparison. Martin has had some injury issues, but all things considered, his contract is relatively reasonable when he's healthy and he's still young. Kings could take Harden to be their SG of the future if they view him as a difference maker and obtain a nice little package in exchange for Martin.

The benefit of being a bad team is that you can do a lot of creative things without the fear of ruining a good thing. Kings have some very nice young pieces. Now the key is to figure out what pieces fit together and how, keeping some, and maximizing the return on others.

The way I see it, Rubio is projected to be a difference maker at PG in a few years. He's already a very good defender and has excellent size at the point. He would mesh well with Martin in the back court as he excels in getting his teammates open shots and defense, but is not a very good shooter. He'll take time - he's only 18.

Thompson is a very nice young player. He shows a lot of promise. But he also looks like a finnesse player who will never be an elite defender or post scorer. Hawes seems like the same type of player at C. It's much more difficult to get a true C versus a true PF and long term, could a team be a contender with two big guys who aren't adept at being bruisers at either end of the court? IF the answer is no, then you look to move Thompson while his value is very high and get a true difference maker. The price as reported seems steep, especially considering Memphis appears apprehensive and not sold on Thabeet and isn't a great fit for Rubio. So it's who can make them a best offer scenario.

Memphis could for example toss in Darrell Arthur and a top 10 protected first round pick for the future. They could agree to eat Kenny Thomas's contract, allowing Sacramento some maneuvrability in the free agent market.

Or Sacramento might think that Rubio isn't worth it to begin with, not rate him all that high, and take Harden or Evans and be right. It's a tough draft to call after Griffin.



LOL Gimme K-mart over Harden any day no one knows it yet but...K-Mart is reggie miller incarnate! Im a Bulls fan and I'll give you Deng Tyrus and both of our ones for k-mart

jailer 06-15-2009 02:37 PM

Re: Memphis trade proposal
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rose
LOL Gimme K-mart over Harden any day no one knows it yet but...K-Mart is reggie miller incarnate! Im a Bulls fan and I'll give you Deng Tyrus and both of our ones for k-mart


Kevin Martin is an established player at this point. Give harden a year or two before you sell the kid short.

SixersFan76 06-17-2009 02:03 PM

Re: Memphis trade proposal
 
Sacramento would drive K-Mart to Chicago for that offer. Notice how the Bulls and Kings made a huge trade and yet, no K-Mart included. Guessing Bulls won't be giving up their starting SF, PF and two first rounders for an injury prone, one dimensional SG who puts up good scoring numbers for a bad team. Nice player, but not that nice, given his extensive injury history.

jailer 06-18-2009 02:21 PM

Re: Memphis trade proposal
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SixersFan76
Sacramento would drive K-Mart to Chicago for that offer. Notice how the Bulls and Kings made a huge trade and yet, no K-Mart included. Guessing Bulls won't be giving up their starting SF, PF and two first rounders for an injury prone, one dimensional SG who puts up good scoring numbers for a bad team. Nice player, but not that nice, given his extensive injury history.


:oldlol: :oldlol: wow so much hate


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