Re: Jordan's statistics vs. #1 ranked defenses in playoffs
[QUOTE=Fatal9]Yup. Perimeter players today never played back when handchecking was legal, right? Kobe didn't have a 30/7/6 season with it legal, right? Or average 32/7/6/2 on 50% against the #1 defense in the league ('01 Spurs), right?
Enough of this bullsh*t argument.[/QUOTE]
That was a SPURS team that lost its starting shooting guard before the lakers series.. So kobe went vs their bench player... DANIELS.LOL
Re: Jordan's statistics vs. #1 ranked defenses in playoffs
[QUOTE=andgar923]Yeah.... this definitely proves it.
Kobe is better than MJ.[/QUOTE]
See, this is where we fu*k up. He wasnt saying that at all.
Hes trying to relay the message that before anyone wants to throw around stats to deminish a player's greatness, just to remember that even the "GOAT" had horrible statistics against elite teams, and or defensive squads...So its something to note, in THAT regard alone.
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[QUOTE=daily]this has one gigantic hole in it... alot of years the Bulls were the number one ranked defense or one of the top ranked defenses in the league that's why jordan faced the top defense so few times, because he was on the top defense.
1991 number 1
1992 number 2
1996 number 1
1997 number 2
1998 number 2[/QUOTE]
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Re: Jordan's statistics vs. #1 ranked defenses in playoffs
[QUOTE=NBASTATMAN]kobe in 04 had two playoff series under 39 percent.. Houston and Pistons. KOBE PLAYED WITH KARL MALONE, PAYTON, AND SHAQ... LOL
Kobe shot 37 percent in 2000 finals , 41 PERCENT IN 2001 FINALS, 40 PERCENT IN 08 FINALS... In every one of these finals he played with a player who shot over 50 percent... Gasol and Odom both shot over 50 percent in last years finals...
PIPPEN'S SHOOTING IN THE PLAYOFFS ARE AS FOLLOW
.39 PERCENT FOR ENTIRE PLAYOFFS 1996
.417 PERCENT FOR ENTIRE PLAYOFFS 1997
.415 PERCENT FOR ENTIRE PLAYOFFS 1998
SHAQ SHOT OVER 50 PERCENT IN ANY OF THOSE SERIES KOBE WAS FIRING UP BLANKS.. LOL[/QUOTE]
:oldlol: Comparing the FG% of a perimeter player to 3 post players.:applause: :hammerhead:
Re: Jordan's statistics vs. #1 ranked defenses in playoffs
damn, let Fatal breathe a bit. Didn't have to smother him right away :oldlol:
And the Lakers WON the championship, one would think that you would finally feel comfortable coming out of the closet all decked out in purple and gold, yet here you are still making passive-aggressive attacks on Jordan while trying (and failing as usual) to prop up Kobe while hiding behind a Scottie Pippen avy? :wtf:
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[QUOTE=D-Rose]:oldlol: Comparing the FG% of a perimeter player to 3 post players.:applause: :hammerhead:[/QUOTE]
Fair Enough, Lamar Odom vs the #1 rated defense of the Magic:
54.2% FG, 50% from 3.
Re: Jordan's statistics vs. #1 ranked defenses in playoffs
[QUOTE=oh the horror]See, this is where we fu*k up. He wasnt saying that at all.
Hes trying to relay the message that before anyone wants to throw around stats to deminish a player's greatness, just to remember that even the "GOAT" had horrible statistics against elite teams, and or defensive squads...So its something to note, in THAT regard alone.[/QUOTE]
Point taken.
I didn't really give it much thought tho, just felt like being a smart a$$.
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MJ vs the same knick team in 92 without a sprained wrist. 31.4ppg,48%,
Re: Jordan's statistics vs. #1 ranked defenses in playoffs
Seattle was actually the #2 ranked defense in 95-96. If you're going to count them, then you should also include MJ's numbers against the '88 Pistons, '90 Pistons, '92 Knicks and Blazers. All 4 were #2 ranked defensive teams. But since MJ played well in those series', I guess it wouldn't help your agenda? Sad.
I also don't make much of the '96 Finals and the '97 ECF. That was an old(33 & 34), tired and well past-his-prime MJ. Not a good sign if that's how far down the road haters have to go to look for some cracks in MJ's peerless resume. The '93 series against the Knicks I do put some stock in though. Great all around numbers, but poor efficiency. Only poor shooting series of his prime(age 25-30), and he still won. I'll take it.
Re: Jordan's statistics vs. #1 ranked defenses in playoffs
[QUOTE=DonDadda59]Fair Enough, Lamar Odom vs the #1 rated defense of the Magic:
52.4% FG, 51.4% from 3.[/QUOTE]
His 3 point shooting was great but I'm willing to bet most of his shots came in the paint. He posted up Rashard many times. Also Game 2 when he had a great 4th quarter it was in the paint. He played PF not SF.
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[QUOTE=D-Rose]:oldlol: Comparing the FG% of a perimeter player to 3 post players.:applause: :hammerhead:[/QUOTE]
DUH SOMEONE POSTED A COMMENT ABOUT PIPPEN BAILING MJ OUT..So I went with PIPPENS' GREAT FIELD GOAL PERCENTAGE.. LOL
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[QUOTE=Indian guy]Seattle was actually the #2 ranked defense in 95-96.[/QUOTE]
Bulls were #1 that year and weren't in any of those other years you mentioned.
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[QUOTE=D-Rose]His 3 point shooting was great but I'm willing to bet most of his shots came in the paint. He posted up Rashard many times. Also Game 2 when he had a great 4th quarter it was in the paint. He played PF not SF.[/QUOTE]
Doesn't matter how he got his points, fact is he shot 54% from the field playing from the wing against the #1 ranked defense. And if Rashard was on him, he was playing SF. Hedo was at the 4 playing Pau to start games until Bynum inevitably got into foul trouble, then the Lakers had to mix and match their lineup.
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"and despite being a big fan of his"
You say this everytime you try to put down MJ.
I don't think anyone on this site thinks you are really a MJ fan.
You are a Kobe fan,who uses Pippen to try and lower MJ.
Pippen is starting to be the most overrated player on here,despite being a big fan of his,its getting old.
^
Hey when i say that do people beleive me?:confusedshrug: :oldlol:
Re: Jordan's statistics vs. #1 ranked defenses in playoffs
[QUOTE=Butters][QUOTE=Fatal9] and despite being a big fan of his QUOTE]
You say this everytime you try to put down MJ.
I don't think anyone on this site thinks you are really a MJ fan.
You are a Kobe fan,who uses Pippen to try and lower MJ.
Pippen is starting to be the most overrated player on here,despite being a big fan of his,its getting old.
^
Hey when i say that do people beleive me?:confusedshrug: :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
Yes