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Mutombo shouldn't go to the stands, nor should any player, but at the same time, they have a right not to take that type of abuse. No one does, public or private, doesn't matter. Just because one is a celebrity doesn't mean you can go off calling him/her racial slurs, that's just ridiculous. It happens, no doubt, but doesn't make it any more right. If anything, players should be given the right to remove fans if they're heckling them too much.
It's one thing to say "you suck" or "fat ass," but to insult someone's creed, skin color, or family member, is intolerable. Those qualities are what defines humans, not a player. Being overpaid or lazy defines them as a player, but when you start getting to who they are first, which are humans, then you cross the threshold and deserve to be punshied.
That's my opinion. In high school games, I heard racist slurs from the stands like "****** don't play basketball," , "your mother sell good fried rice" and I would've love to run into the stands with the bench chair, or throwing my own racial jokes back, but I guess people are always idiots.
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Racism sucks. We've all had our fair share of racism and some of us are speaking from experience.
I guess if Dikembe Mutumbo ran into the stands, I would understand why he did. He's human. If somebody called me a racial slur, I'd be mad.
I don't think David Stern will fine him. He's trying to make the National Basketball Association global. If he fines him, it's going to tell everybody around the world that it's not safe to play in the National Basketball Association because they don't provide a safe and fair enviornment for their workers to work in.
I don't think there will be a fine or even a punishment. If there is a fine or punishment against Dikembe Mutumbo, expect there to be alot of ruckus in the news, especially with elections coming up.
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BigKingsfan is a clown, nobody tolerates racial slurs on anybody in soccer. If your fans racially abuse any player, they're banned for life and you're forced to play some home games in an empty stadium. A player was just suspended for 5 games for using a racial slur on South African Benni McCarthy and Macedonia was punihsed for yelling racist chants on Black English players. You have no clue what you're talking about, so just STFU!
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PTI said the guy sent Mutombo a letter saying he was sorry, donated 5000 dollars to charity, and promised not to attend another game until Mutombo said he could.
I did not expect that.
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[QUOTE=Jerm]BigKingsfan is a clown, nobody tolerates racial slurs on anybody in soccer. If your fans racially abuse any player, they're banned for life and you're forced to play some home games in an empty stadium. A player was just suspended for 5 games for using a racial slur on South African Benni McCarthy and Macedonia was punihsed for yelling racist chants on Black English players. You have no clue what you're talking about, so just STFU![/QUOTE]
When did I say racism should be tolerated you mental gimp?
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[QUOTE]BigKingsfan is a clown, nobody tolerates racial slurs on anybody in soccer. If your fans racially abuse any player, they're banned for life and you're forced to play some home games in an empty stadium. A player was just suspended for 5 games for using a racial slur on South African Benni McCarthy [B]and Macedonia was punihsed for yelling racist chants on Black English players. You have no clue what you're talking about, so just STFU![/B][/QUOTE]
Wow I can't believe I didn't hear about that, even though I'm from their.
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[QUOTE=LakerRaider]Wow. No disrespect, but I distinctly remember your words during the World Cup Final. When there were rumors that Zinadine Zidane was being called a racial slur by Marco Materazzi, you said that no matter what Marco Materazzi said, Zinadine Zidane should've kept his cool.
You never ever said things you said on your comments.
Now it happens to a basketball player, you suddenly become an ambassador of Peace or something on the whole issue.
I think you even said that if a racial slur was used against you, you wouldn't do anything.
You were playing the whole thing off like it was nothing.
Hypocrisy at its finest.
Again, no disrespect.[/QUOTE]
Total pwnage.
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[QUOTE=GOBB]
[I]"You're a monkey!! *makes sound*"
"Stupid ape, look at you! Go back to Africa!"
"Hey ching chong man where my rice? You suck!"
"Stupid ch!nk!"
"Wow we got a wetback in the league, quick build a fence. No more no more!"[/I]
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Should've added "You're slow and soft!" directed to white people by black people in this list.
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Update:
The heckler, Hooman Hamzehloui, has been banned from NBA games in all arenas for a year. Just reward?
[url]http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/6117032[/url]
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[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]PTI said the guy sent Mutombo a letter saying he was sorry, donated 5000 dollars to charity, and promised not to attend another game until Mutombo said he could.
I did not expect that.[/QUOTE]
Wow.
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you know, i understand why Black people normally take "monkey" as a racist term towards them. But in Mutombo's case, HE DOES LOOK LIKE A MONKEY. Even if he's freaking White or Asian, he still does.
So I dunno if the dude even meant it as a racist term.
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There's no excuse for going into stands ever. It's just words.
If you accept Mutombo's rationale, then you accept anyone's rationale going into stands. I mean, everyone is offended by something different right?
To be honest, although the guy yelling it is a racist do*chebag, he has the right to scream it in my opinion. He didn't use profanity, he didn't make a physical threat, he didn't say an obvious racial slur like n*gger, he said "monkey". Now I know we all know its racist, but technically, IMO, there's no reason to kick him out or ban him. It's free speech, he paid for his ticket, he has the right to heckle if he wants....
To put it in perspective, in European countries, there are places where the WHOLE STADIUM is chanting racial slurs in unison....I saw a special about it on ESPN. It's incredible what they put up with.
I'm not saying the guy ain't an ahole, but he has right to say monkey and there's nothing anyone should do about it. And Mutombo has NO RIGHT going into stands. It's even ludicrous he said that.
What's next? If someone curses out your mother, can you go into stands? What if someone says your child molester? Or if they say your daughter is hot? Unless your trying to save your own life, you can never go in the stands. Period.
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[QUOTE]To be honest, although the guy yelling it is a racist do*chebag, he has the right to scream it in my opinion. He didn't use profanity, he didn't make a physical threat, he didn't say an obvious racial slur like n*gger, he said "monkey". Now I know we all know its racist, but technically, IMO, there's no reason to kick him out or ban him. It's free speech, he paid for his ticket, he has the right to heckle if he wants....[/QUOTE]
Free speech does not give you the right to say harmful things.
[QUOTE]To put it in perspective, in European countries, there are places where the WHOLE STADIUM is chanting racial slurs in unison....I saw a special about it on ESPN. It's incredible what they put up with.[/QUOTE]
Hello, sir, we are in America. We haven't been part of Europe since the American Revolution. Get your facts straight.
[QUOTE]I'm not saying the guy ain't an ahole, but he has right to say monkey and there's nothing anyone should do about it. And Mutombo has NO RIGHT going into stands. It's even ludicrous he said that.[/QUOTE]
Mutombo doesn't have the right to go to the stands but he does not have to take that kind of abuse. If you were standing in a room with me calling me a *****, you can make sure I'd do something about. Secondly, if NBA players are getting fined for criticizing the refs, you can make sure that NBA fans are subjected to the same scruitiny. These players are here to entertain us, so a level of respect should be granted. If he was screaming at Mutombo that he was old and slow, ok, that's part of the game. However, in this nation, we work against just characterizing and generalizng a race.
[QUOTE]What's next? If someone curses out your mother, can you go into stands? What if someone says your child molester? Or if they say your daughter is hot? Unless your trying to save your own life, you can never go in the stands. Period.[/QUOTE]
No one went into the stands. If Mutombo went into the stands you can bet your ass he get suspended. he was voicing his opinion, which is also a free speech matter, if you didn't realize.
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You can call Yao ming "ching-chong-yang-wah-ah-soh," without punishment, and go under the radar.
[url]http://espn.go.com/nba/news/2003/0110/1490645.html[/url] - Shaq
But it's not okay to call Mutombo a monkey. I'm aware Shaq was most likely joking around, and it slipped, but the same can be apply to the guy.
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[QUOTE=bagelred]There's no excuse for going into stands ever. It's just words.[/quote]
No its not just words. Maybe to YOU but not to OTHERS. Keep that in mind. There is only so much a person will tolerate when it comes to disrespect.
[QUOTE]If you accept Mutombo's rationale, then you accept anyone's rationale going into stands. I mean, everyone is offended by something different right?[/QUOTE]
He shouldnt go in the stands just like someone should slam a coworker up against a wall when called a racial slur. Emotions can take over and sometime the better judgement, you pride will have you reacting in a physical manner. This right here PROVES its not just words.
[QUOTE]To be honest, although the guy yelling it is a racist do*chebag, he has the right to scream it in my opinion. He didn't use profanity, he didn't make a physical threat, he didn't say an obvious racial slur like n*gger, he said "monkey". Now I know we all know its racist, but technically, IMO, there's no reason to kick him out or ban him. It's free speech, he paid for his ticket, he has the right to heckle if he wants....[/QUOTE]
No he doesnt have the right for verbal abuse. There is a fan code of conduct. The whole "Freedome of speech" thing cant be ran behind when you say things you know you shouldnt. NBA has a fan and player code of conduct. On tickets for the most part there are rules/regulations and if you're a season ticket holder you are aware of fan tolerance and behavior.
There is a good reason to ban because the fan knew the rules and if he didnt that is his fault. We penalize players for going into the stands but allow fans to throw whatever they want and say whatever they feel because they pay to get in the arena? Negative. I cant call my supervisor a flaming homosexual diickhead. Cant call them a racial slur either. Well I can but you know the outcome of that and how it affects my future employment when i go for a new job. Ask yourself why the outcome isnt me saying "freedom of speech!" and my supervisor moving on and taking it on the chin like you suggest Mutombo should do.
Really simple here. There is no argument.
[QUOTE]To put it in perspective, in European countries, there are places where the WHOLE STADIUM is chanting racial slurs in unison....I saw a special about it on ESPN. It's incredible what they put up with.[/QUOTE]
I like some facts, articles the whole nine on this because I've heard from people who live over there that isnt the case. That if fans begin to chant racial slurs games can be called, forfeited and games can be cancelled there. Also if it happens again another game wouldnt be played that or something to that extent. That there are penalties and punishment for these racist chants that people are saying happens.
I dont know about europe/soccer but if anyone has info on what goes on over there start throwing some credible sources that i can read. And racism in America is the issue. What happens overseas is irrelevant. Race is and has alwyas been a senstive issue where the outcomes have been violent. Look at the reactions of when Rodney King's verdict came in. Look at the divide when OJ Simpson verdict came in.
[QUOTE]I'm not saying the guy ain't an ahole, but he has right to say monkey and there's nothing anyone should do about it. And Mutombo has NO RIGHT going into stands. It's even ludicrous he said that.[/QUOTE]
Mutombo said if he were FINED by the league for his comments about how disgusting the fan was, how livid he was and that he had to be restrained...then next time he will go in the stands. THats why he said he would go in the stands next time. League said it wouldnt fine Mutombo.
The fan doesnt have a right to call Mutombo a monkey. Get over yourself.
[quote]What's next? If someone curses out your mother, can you go into stands? What if someone says your child molester? Or if they say your daughter is hot? Unless your trying to save your own life, you can never go in the stands. Period.[/QUOTE]
And if you're a fan at the game you can never go over the line when it comes to heckling. There are lines you dont cross. And no freedom of speech right can protect you. Everyone who is speaking out and defending the fans right for calling Mutombo a monkey has the same silly theme "its just words", "he has a right to say what he wants" but everyone has a line including yourself. And when someone crosses it a outcome will take place. You know it and I know it. Only people who arent affected by words and actions are those with no heart or soul.
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[QUOTE=bigkingsfan]You can call Yao ming "ching-chong-yang-wah-ah-soh," without punishment, and go under the radar.
[url]http://espn.go.com/nba/news/2003/0110/1490645.html[/url] - Shaq
But it's not okay to call Mutombo a monkey. I'm aware Shaq was most likely joking around, and it slipped, but the same can be apply to the guy.[/QUOTE]
Shaq got roasted for that too. Whats your point?
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[QUOTE=GOBB]Shaq got roasted for that too. Whats your point?[/QUOTE]
The story was bury in the beginning, and no one ever use it as a reference to this day, ESPN should of refer to Shaq in the latest incident, because of the similarity, (same goes for J Will) but they'd would rather keep it off radar. (bad for business) National and local news organizations have consciously ignored Shaq's racist comment. LA Times, Sports Illustrated, the Associated Press, and other news organizations offered them information about this story. They did not want to write about it. The only reason anyone knows about Shaq's taunt is because Fox Sports Radio's Tony Bruno Morning Extravaganza played a recording of the taunt several times to its nationwide audience on December 16 and 17. On the latter day, Bruno commented that Shaq's comment was "not racist," and then invited listeners and radio commentators to call in jokes making racist fun of Chinese. For hours, people cracked jokes, such as offering free bike parking to increase Chinese attendance at basketball games. Double standard between the two is bull****.
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[QUOTE=bigkingsfan]The story was bury in the beginning, and no one ever use it as a reference to this day, ESPN should of refer to Shaq in the latest incident, because of the similarity, but they'd would rather keep it off radar. (bad for business) National and local news organizations have consciously ignored Shaq's racist comment. LA Times, Sports Illustrated, the Associated Press, and other news organizations offered them information about this story. They did not want to write about it. The only reason anyone knows about Shaq's taunt is because Fox Sports Radio's Tony Bruno Morning Extravaganza played a recording of the taunt several times to its nationwide audience on December 16 and 17. On the latter day, Bruno commented that Shaq's comment was "not racist," and then invited listeners and radio commentators to call in jokes making racist fun of Chinese. For hours, people cracked jokes, such as offering free bike parking to increase Chinese attendance at basketball games. Double standard between the two is bull****.[/QUOTE]
Pretty much explains your replies in here. You're bitter at the double standard.
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[QUOTE=GOBB]No its not just words. Maybe to YOU but not to OTHERS. Keep that in mind. There is only so much a person will tolerate when it comes to disrespect.[/QUOTE]
Well last time I checked it's just words. Sorry, it's Motombo's job to ignore everything said in the stands. Period. That's the way it is. Fans can say some really nasty things sometimes. That's life.
[QUOTE=GOBB]He shouldnt go in the stands just like someone should slam a coworker up against a wall when called a racial slur. Emotions can take over and sometime the better judgement, you pride will have you reacting in a physical manner. This right here PROVES its not just words.[/QUOTE]
Players are paid big bucks to ignore the fans. Fans have been heckling players since the beginning of time. I'm sure Jackie Robinson heard a few racial slurs in his day. It's part of your job to completely ignore it. Pride? Bullsh*t. Enough with this "disrespect" bullsh*t. Players are professionals, and have to act professional by ignoring the fans. Period.
[QUOTE=GOBB]No he doesnt have the right for verbal abuse. There is a fan code of conduct. The whole "Freedome of speech" thing cant be ran behind when you say things you know you shouldnt. NBA has a fan and player code of conduct. On tickets for the most part there are rules/regulations and if you're a season ticket holder you are aware of fan tolerance and behavior.[/QUOTE]
I realize there is a fan code of conduct, but booing, heckling, deriding players happens in every pro sports game. Some of the heckling is profane, rude, disrectful, etc. That's the way it is. I didn't realize the word "monkey" is not allowed in the arena.
[QUOTE=GOBB]There is a good reason to ban because the fan knew the rules and if he didnt that is his fault. We penalize players for going into the stands but allow fans to throw whatever they want and say whatever they feel because they pay to get in the arena? Negative. I cant call my supervisor a flaming homosexual diickhead. Cant call them a racial slur either. Well I can but you know the outcome of that and how it affects my future employment when i go for a new job. Ask yourself why the outcome isnt me saying "freedom of speech!" and my supervisor moving on and taking it on the chin like you suggest Mutombo should do.
Really simple here. There is no argument.[/QUOTE]
Fans are not allowed to throw anything. That's an immediate ejection from stadium.
Fans can't say anything they want. But I don't think the word "monkey" is outlawed, is it?
Why are you equating fans deriding players with workplace situations. Two completely different animals (no pun intended).
[QUOTE=GOBB]I like some facts, articles the whole nine on this because I've heard from people who live over there that isnt the case. That if fans begin to chant racial slurs games can be called, forfeited and games can be cancelled there. Also if it happens again another game wouldnt be played that or something to that extent. That there are penalties and punishment for these racist chants that people are saying happens.
I dont know about europe/soccer but if anyone has info on what goes on over there start throwing some credible sources that i can read. And racism in America is the issue. What happens overseas is irrelevant. Race is and has alwyas been a senstive issue where the outcomes have been violent. Look at the reactions of when Rodney King's verdict came in. Look at the divide when OJ Simpson verdict came in. [/QUOTE]
Here ya go. Enjoy.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwpO-nnFY9g[/url]
[QUOTE=GOBB]Mutombo said if he were FINED by the league for his comments about how disgusting the fan was, how livid he was and that he had to be restrained...then next time he will go in the stands. THats why he said he would go in the stands next time. League said it wouldnt fine Mutombo.
The fan doesnt have a right to call Mutombo a monkey. Get over yourself.[/QUOTE]
I don't think Mutombo is wrong for saying he was livid. But he still can't go in the stands. Period.
[QUOTE=GOBB]And if you're a fan at the game you can never go over the line when it comes to heckling. There are lines you dont cross. And no freedom of speech right can protect you. Everyone who is speaking out and defending the fans right for calling Mutombo a monkey has the same silly theme "its just words", "he has a right to say what he wants" but everyone has a line including yourself. And when someone crosses it a outcome will take place. You know it and I know it. Only people who arent affected by words and actions are those with no heart or soul.[/QUOTE]
Sorry. No excuses. Words are words. If you are a professional ballplayer, someone could yell profanity three feet away from you and curse out your mother, but you have to ignore it. Sorry. I suppose the player could complain to security if it gets too voracious, but that's about it. It's called self control. If you personally don't have self control, then that's your problem I guess.
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I wondered why there are soo many people emphasizing the guys right to throw racial insults around at a public event.... until I realized that this is ISH and most of the posters here can relate to the jack ass in the stands more than a guy like mutombo.....
The guy has no right to act like that in any arena...
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[quote] Sorry. No excuses. Words are words. If you are a professional ballplayer, someone could yell profanity three feet away from you and curse out your mother, but you have to ignore it. Sorry. I suppose the player could complain to security if it gets too voracious, but that's about it. It's called self control. If you personally don't have self control, then that's your problem I guess[/quote]
this is a very disingenuous argument...
words are [b]not[/b] just words...people communicate thru words...people use words to form propaganda against whole groups of people, people use specific words to demean or incite specific people
words are very powerful and you spouting that weak line about "words are words" is just lame attempt to make your argument absolute....
cowards like this guy use slurs for a reason...to make a better person stoop to their level...and then when they get punched in the face they all of the sudden go looking for the law to mediate a problem they provoked....
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[QUOTE=Rasheed1]this is a very disingenuous argument...
words are [b]not[/b] just...people communicate thru words...people use words to form propaganda against whole groups of people, people use specific words to demean or incite specific people
words are very powerful and you spouting that weak line about "words are words" is just lame attempt to make your argument absolute....
cowards like this guy use slurs for a reason...to make a better person stoop to their level...and then when they get punched in the face they all of the sudden go looking for the law to mediate a problem they provoked....[/QUOTE]
Professional players are paid lots of money to play the game and ignore the fans, no matter what they say. If you are really affected by someone in the stands, tell security and let them deal with it appropriately. That's it.
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[QUOTE=Rasheed1]I wondered why there are soo many people emphasizing the guys right to throw racial insults around at a public event.... until I realized that this is ISH and most of the posters here can relate to the jack ass in the stands more than a guy like mutombo.....
The guy has no right to act like that in any arena...[/QUOTE]
You're an idiot most of the time but you hit the nail right on the head there.
[QUOTE]
[IMG]http://www.oregonzoo.org/Cards/Primates/images/monkey.francois.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://www.netaid.org/images/gaa/judges/2004/mutombo_170.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
This is for that cvnt EricForman, how the hell do they look alike?...Skin colour? Nahh, Facial features?..Nahh. You're one silly asian!
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[quote] Professional players are paid lots of money to play the game and ignore the fans, no matter what they say. If you are really affected by someone in the stands, tell security and let them deal with it appropriately. That's it.[/quote]
Players dont get paid to accept racial insults and slurs of any kind at any time....so just stop it..
[b]players get paid alot of money to play basketball[/b].... not listen to cowards up in the stands shooting off their mouths without repercussion
how much money a person gets paid has [b]no[/b] bearing on the level of respect that every person deserves
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[QUOTE=Rasheed1]Players dont get paid to accept racial insults and slurs of any kind at any time....so just stop it..
[b]players get paid alot of money to play basketball[/b].... not listen to cowards up in the stands shooting off their mouths without repercussion
how much money a person gets paid has [b]no[/b] bearing on the level of respect that every person deserves[/QUOTE]
Let security deal with anything they feel is over the line or inappropriate. As a player, its your job to ignore it. Block it out. That's what your paid to do. What is this where everyone thinks a specific insult MUST be retaliated against. Show restraint. Let security do their job and you play ball.
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[IMG]http://www.webbusiness.no/webprivat/usa/upfiles/bush_monkey.jpg[/IMG]
Bush is closer to a monkey that anyone, and gets reference to it all the time. You see him complaining? Suck it up and play.
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[quote] As a player, its your job to ignore it. Block it out. That's what your paid to do.[/quote]
stop saying this.... this is bullsh*t..
player's job is not ignore it, block it out... the player's job is to play basketball... they arent supposed to be dealing with this type of stuff... do you understand that?
do you realize the league is slacking in its duty to make the game safe and enjoyable for every one attending when they shrug their shoulders at guys who go over board with the namecalling and slurs?
Should the kids and old folks in the area "just block it out" too? How another person of color sitting nearby...
The league needs to be as tough with this stuff as it was for the all the other things that stern enforces his laws on..
Its good the guy is banned from all stadiums....thats the least the NBA could do to support their players and stop cowards from ruining the game experience for everyone....
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[quote] Bush is closer to a monkey that anyone, and gets reference to it all the time. You see him complaining? Suck it up and play.[/quote]
you yell out that Bush is monkey to his face at one of his events and I garauntee secret service will come to your section and escort you to jail on some trumped up verbal assault type charges
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[QUOTE=Rasheed1]stop saying this.... this is bullsh*t..
player's job is not ignore it, block it out... the player's job is to play basketball... they arent supposed to be dealing with this type of stuff... do you understand that?
do you realize the league is slacking in its duty to make the game safe and enjoyable for every one attending when they shrug their shoulders at guys who go over board with the namecalling and slurs?
Should the kids and old folks in the area "just block it out" too? How another person of color sitting nearby...
The league needs to be as tough with this stuff as it was for the all the other things that stern enforces his laws on..
Its good the guy is banned from all stadiums....thats the least the NBA could do to support their players and stop cowards from ruining the game experience for everyone....[/QUOTE]
I never said security shouldn't address the situation. But it's not Motombo's job to deal with the fans. His job is to play ball.
I just don't like double standards. Fans boo, heckle, deride, do everything in the stands, a guy says "monkey" and he's banned for life. Doesn't feel in proportion to me.
Personally, I would have ejected the guy for the game and took him to arena security and said. "listen, knock that off. Any other racial slurs and it's going to be season ejection". The guy would have got the message and that's that. A complete ban from every stadium in the NBA? Holy crap. Even child molesters get to go to games. Guy says one questionable slur, banned for a year? Yeah, that's in proportion. :rollingeyes:
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[QUOTE=bagelred]Well last time I checked it's just words. Sorry, it's Motombo's job to ignore everything said in the stands. Period. That's the way it is. Fans can say some really nasty things sometimes. That's life.[/quote]
Show me that is his job to ignore everything said in the stands. His job is to play basketball. That is why he gets paid big bucks. So you're WRONG. And last time i checked its just words to YOU not ANYONE ELSE. Seems you cant get that thru your thickskull. If you were at a game and had young children with you and a heckler next to you was shouting curse words. You wouldnt say a thing to that heckler? You let him continue cursing up a storm in front of the younger kids you brought to the gam because you dont own a pair of balls. But feel free to pull out your [I]"he has a right, freedom to voice his opinions. thats life, fans can say nasty things even if these kids have to hear it"[/I]. There is no way on Earth you have kids and allow negative words being repeatedly said in front of your kids. You wont be raising the "its just words" argument anymore.
[QUOTE]Players are paid big bucks to ignore the fans.[/QUOTE]
No they are not. They are told about how hostile fans can be and often instructed "Dont sweat it." and those things said are "You guys suck, you cant play, you're garbage"...normal taunting. They are not prepared or trained for being called racial slurs and other ignorant things. That is a fact. Jason Kidd and her son were subjected to fans heckling them...security had to get involved. But hey thats just fans being fans right? Price you pay for being an athlete and having your wife and son at a game. :rolleyes:
[QUOTE]Fans have been heckling players since the beginning of time. I'm sure Jackie Robinson heard a few racial slurs in his day. [/QUOTE]
Yes he heard more than a few and couldnt REACT because the consequences back then were far more SEVERE then today! You call a black athlete a "n*gger" and see what happens. Say it to thier face after a game and see what happens. Jackie Robinson couldnt do a thing because he would have been lynched. Dont dare compare that era to today. Blacks back then went thru the worst of shiiit so blacks right now dont have to put up with it verbally. Sure its said but not as often nor open as it once was. Bad example.
[QUOTE]It's part of your job to completely ignore it. Pride? Bullsh*t. Enough with this "disrespect" bullsh*t. Players are professionals, and have to act professional by ignoring the fans. Period.[/QUOTE]
No they dont have to ignore racial slurs and other ignorance. You're wrong. Maybe you need to do yourself a favor and look for the fan code of conduct.
[QUOTE]I realize there is a fan code of conduct, but booing, heckling, deriding players happens in every pro sports game. Some of the heckling is profane, rude, disrectful, etc. That's the way it is. I didn't realize the word "monkey" is not allowed in the arena.[/QUOTE]
You also arent a black man or from africa either. So you cant relate to how that word affects someone like Mutombo who has experienced racism more than you ever will. I wasnt aware fans were so insensitive and completely ignorant at racial slurs being thrown around as something you shrug off. And to say you get paid to put up with that is beyond pathetic. This aint phucking Gladiator.
[QUOTE]Fans are not allowed to throw anything. That's an immediate ejection from stadium.[/QUOTE]
And they are not allowed to use racial slurs and shout obsensities either. If you're a fan and sit by someone who does that you can report them to security and chances are they will be removed. I've seen it firsthand. Guy had 2 kids at a game and 2 college students who were boozed up were shouting curse words and other crazy comments. Dad asked them to cut it out, he has 2 younger kids here. They didnt, he reported them and they were ejected.
[QUOTE]Fans can't say anything they want. But I don't think the word "monkey" is outlawed, is it?[/QUOTE]
Everyone with a brain knows the implication of the word monkey.
[QUOTE]I don't think Mutombo is wrong for saying he was livid. But he still can't go in the stands. Period.[/QUOTE]
[I]"If I get fined, I will go straight into the stands the next time."[/I]
That is Mutombo's comments. If he gets fined by the league and the fan doesnt get punished he would go into the stands because the league isnt protecting its players. That was Mutombo's beef if the league reacted in a way he feels is unjust. But they didnt. So next time it happens if it ever does he is less likely to go in the stands...especially after the league took action and the fan wrote an apologetic letter.
[quote]Sorry. No excuses. Words are words. If you are a professional ballplayer, someone could yell profanity three feet away from you and curse out your mother, but you have to ignore it. Sorry. I suppose the player could complain to security if it gets too voracious, but that's about it. It's called self control. If you personally don't have self control, then that's your problem I guess.[/QUOTE]
Self control? You're full of shiiit.
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[quote] I just don't like double standards. Fans boo, heckle, deride, do everything in the stands, a guy says "monkey" and he's banned for life. Doesn't feel in proportion to me.[/quote]
where is the double standard?
People yell & boo and cheer in a movie theatre too... yet if you yell fire you get booted
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everyone know not to cross certain lines... there is no double standard..
if you act a fool, you get banned from attending NBA games... sit at home and yell slurs at your TV because you dont have enough sense to be seen in public with normal folk
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[QUOTE=bagelred]I never said security shouldn't address the situation. But it's not Motombo's job to deal with the fans. His job is to play ball.
I just don't like double standards. Fans boo, heckle, deride, do everything in the stands, a guy says "monkey" and he's banned for life. Doesn't feel in proportion to me.
Personally, I would have ejected the guy for the game and took him to arena security and said. "listen, knock that off. Any other racial slurs and it's going to be season ejection". The guy would have got the message and that's that. A complete ban from every stadium in the NBA? Holy crap. Even child molesters get to go to games. Guy says one questionable slur, banned for a year? Yeah, that's in proportion. :rollingeyes:[/QUOTE]
Questionable? Its a no brainer...you sound like a defense attorney trying to fool the jury. Its not questionable to anyone with a CLUE. He said it, he wanted to say the harshest thing to piss Mutombo off or maybe he feels that way about black people? Africans?
America is still dealing with race. This country has an issue with race relations. Lots of history revolved around race and racial slurs. Why ignore this? You cry double standard but ignore the history of how racial slurs are big no no's in our society here. You cant shout out Yao Ming is a ching cong ch!nk motherphucker because the guy in front of you is calling him overrated and sucks. You cant relate and say the two are one in the same. Country is sensitive when it comes to race but you are clueless to it for some reason. :confusedshrug:
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[QUOTE=GOBB]Questionable? Its a no brainer...you sound like a defense attorney trying to fool the jury. Its not questionable to anyone with a CLUE. He said it, he wanted to say the harshest thing to piss Mutombo off or maybe he feels that way about black people? Africans?
America is still dealing with race. This country has an issue with race relations. Lots of history revolved around race and racial slurs. Why ignore this? You cry double standard but ignore the history of how racial slurs are big no no's in our society here. You cant shout out Yao Ming is a ching cong ch!nk motherphucker because the guy in front of you is calling him overrated and sucks. You cant relate and say the two are one in the same. Country is sensitive when it comes to race but you are clueless to it for some reason. :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]
I just think punishment should fit crime. Full season ban for a slur? That's some overreaction.
What happened to old days when a security guard would just go over and say "Would you knock it off?"
Maybe we wouldn't be so overly sensitive on race if we all didn't overreact big time. Just a thought.
Also, I'm not really talking about what happens in the stands. I'm talking about MOTOMBO's REACTION. Players are taught over and over and over and over and are trained as a professional to completely ignore the fans, no matter what they say. When did players get so "weak" they can't handle it? Get some inner strength. Let security do their job and handle the fans going over the line.
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Shaq - Slap on the wrist for yao ming comments.
Jay Will- 15k fine, for profanity such as "Are you a f4g?" “slant-eyed motherf****r.” “I will shoot all you Asian motherf****rs,” while imitating machine gun sounds.
Fan - "Monkey", one year ban.
There's a double standard...
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[quote] I just think punishment should fit crime. Full season ban for a slur? That's some overreaction.
What happened to old days when a security guard would just go over and say "Would you knock it off?"
Maybe we wouldn't be so overly sensitive on race if we all didn't overreact big time. Just a thought[/quote]
sad that you are trying to downplay the problem...
Im sure you didnt disagree with the fine and suspension Artest and others got for responding to the ass holes up the stands...
If slurs arent a big deal, then why would going into the stands be a big deal?
:confusedshrug:
common sense tells me that there wouldnt be any fear of players going into the stands in the league stepped up and demanded the fans not act like savages when they come to games....
you cant create a bunch of rules for the players and still allow the fans to behave any way they please with no repurcussion...it doesnt work like that..
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words are just words??? i think not. words are our most powerful tool. they can build someone up or completely break them down. they have started and ended wars. they are the only impression most of the people you will ever come in contact with will ever get of you. granted, our country prides itself on freedoms such as this, but these freedoms werent constituted to allow public displays of hate. shame on everyone around him that didnt force him to stick his foot in his mouth. i dont know about you, but some things people say can be far worse than an action. i hate racist bigots like this that think that their actions are justified because its "just heckling". i think that this should go both ways though. i dont think anyone should get away with calling a white player honky or cracker either. one thing that is clear cut is equality.
i have alot of african american friends and respect them very much as people, i dont think anyone deserves more respect than another or reparations or any of that stuff.
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[quote]Shaq - Slap on the wrist for yao ming comments.
Jay Will- 15k fine, for profanity such as "Are you a f4g?"
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[QUOTE=bigkingsfan]Shaq - Slap on the wrist for yao ming comments.
Jay Will- 15k fine, for profanity such as "Are you a f4g?"
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The league has sent a message. Players have complained that no fan accountability has been non existent. The fans now see what a racial slur can get you. Think twice before opening thier mouth. Put fears into the jerks and give some players a sense of comfort knowing the league has thier back and not just the fans.
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[QUOTE=eauclaire447]are you talking about jason williams from miami #55???????//
wow, never knew he said that[/QUOTE]
Yep
[QUOTE=Rasheed1]I wouldnt have any problem with creating protocol for players who do the same stuff....
But to argue against getting rid of bad fans is just dumb especially because you just bitter over something else that has no bearing on this subject at all.......
Shaq saying something ignorant about yao Ming has no significance to this situation....
you dont neglect this situation because of a different one.... makes no sense at all[/QUOTE]
If you don't see the similarity you're a monkey.