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RedBlackAttack 11-29-2009 11:23 PM

The Big Tuna to Cleveland?
 
I've been saying for a long time that the Browns need a GM 'like' Parcells that can steer this ship in the right direction and give the organization an identity. I had no idea that there was a chance that we could get the real thing, but there has been significant chatter over the course of the last couple of weeks indicating that Parcells has serious interest in coming to Cleveland and giving it a go.

In seeking Parcells-like czar, could Cleveland Browns get the real thing? NFL Insider

I'm an agnostic, but I will kindly ask God, Jesus, Mohammad, Buddha and Zeus to grant me this wish.

Thoughts?

~primetime~ 11-29-2009 11:36 PM

Re: The Big Tuna to Cleveland?
 
I think coaching has passed him by but for Cleveland Parcells would be fantastic...

RedBlackAttack 11-29-2009 11:40 PM

Re: The Big Tuna to Cleveland?
 
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Originally Posted by ~primetime~
I think coaching has passed him by but for Cleveland Parcells would be fantastic...

As a GM, there may not be a better guy on earth. It is no coincidence that Miami has gone from the cellar to a legitimate playoff contender in the couple of years since he showed up in town. He turns bad franchises around... That's what he does.

He would have his work cut out for him here, but it isn't like we have no talent to work with. He has turned around teams in as bad a shape as this one.

~primetime~ 11-29-2009 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by RedBlackAttack
As a GM, there may not be a better guy on earth. It is no coincidence that Miami has gone from the cellar to a legitimate playoff contender in the couple of years since he showed up in town. He turns bad franchises around... That's what he does.

He would have his work cut out for him here, but it isn't like we have no talent to work with. He has turned around teams in as bad a shape as this one.

He might be the best GM, I don't know, but I do think alot of that is overrated...

I promise you that he has NOTHING to do with that wildcat offense in Miami...

He also drafted alot of guys in Dallas that just didn't work out that great (Barbie Carpenter)

He also likes to bring in alot players that he used to work with, Romo and Owens were not Parcells, he was all about Bledsoe and Keyshawn...


but yeah, he would bring an identity to the Browns...it would be great for them I think

RedBlackAttack 11-29-2009 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by ~primetime~
He might be the best GM, I don't know, but I do think alot of that is overrated...

I promise you that he has NOTHING to do with that wildcat offense in Miami...

He also drafted alot of guys in Dallas that just didn't work out that great (Barbie Carpenter)

He also like to bring in players that he used to work with, Romo and Owens were not Parcells, he was all about Bledsoe and Keyshawn...

He knows how to put the right people in the right positions to make the correct adjustments and implement the right system like a great GM should. He may have not had a direct hand in developing the Wildcat, but he selected the coaches that did develop it. You can nitpick bad draft picks for every franchise in the league. No one bats 1.000 in this league.

It is no coincidence that the guy wins everywhere that he goes. He would do a quick makeover to the entire FO and coaching staff and send the franchise in the right direction. That is all I want. He knows how to build a winner from the ground up.

~primetime~ 11-29-2009 11:58 PM

Re: The Big Tuna to Cleveland?
 
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Originally Posted by RedBlackAttack
He knows how to put the right people in the right positions to make the correct adjustments and implement the right system like a great GM should. He may have not had a direct hand in developing the Wildcat, but he selected the coaches that did develop it. You can nitpick bad draft picks for every franchise in the league. No one bats 1.000 in this league.

It is no coincidence that the guy wins everywhere that he goes. He would do a quick makeover to the entire FO and coaching staff and send the franchise in the right direction. That is all I want. He knows how to build a winner from the ground up.

yeah, that does seem to be the case...

although I am not sure everyone considers Dallas and Miami to be "winners"...he turned them around I suppose, but for Miami it was almost impossible for them to not get better...

Cleveland would be like that for him too I guess, all he has to do is win 5 games or so and everyone will be all over his jock again...


but yeah I think it would be great for Cleveland...that franchise needs a complete makeover (like you mentioned) and he would be a great guy to start with...no question

HisJoeness 11-30-2009 12:07 AM

Re: The Big Tuna to Cleveland?
 
I could be wrong but I believe there were certain external factors (Jerry Jones) that prevented Dallas being better than they were under Parcells.

~primetime~ 11-30-2009 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by HisJoeness
I could be wrong but I believe there were certain external factors (Jerry Jones) that prevented Dallas being better than they were under Parcells.

like what exactly?

Parcells is not what he used to be as a coach, the game has changed...he knew this when he left, if he still thought he would be a great coach he would be coaching right now...it isn't like anyone is gonna turn him down...he could coach today if he wanted...

Jerry didn't do anything wrong, he gave Bill complete control...

InspiredLebowski 11-30-2009 12:33 AM

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And Weis is getting fired from Notre Dame. Parcells gave Weis his first job. Weis obviously coached Brady Quinn to great success. Whatever you think of Weis as a head coach, the guy's still a very good offensive gameplanner.

It really could be a perfect storm, just need to find a Mangini replacement that fits in.

HisJoeness 11-30-2009 01:32 AM

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Originally Posted by ~primetime~
like what exactly?

Parcells is not what he used to be as a coach, the game has changed...he knew this when he left, if he still thought he would be a great coach he would be coaching right now...it isn't like anyone is gonna turn him down...he could coach today if he wanted...

Jerry didn't do anything wrong, he gave Bill complete control...


I think that was part of the problem, I don't think he wanted to give Bill that control. That's why I think he usurped him on the TO thing, it was a battle of egos and as we all know megolomaniacs don't like to work for other megolomaniacs. But like I said this is my own Doomsday Dallas style conspiracy though lol.

~primetime~ 11-30-2009 03:13 AM

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Originally Posted by HisJoeness
I think that was part of the problem, I don't think he wanted to give Bill that control. That's why I think he usurped him on the TO thing, it was a battle of egos and as we all know megolomaniacs don't like to work for other megolomaniacs. But like I said this is my own Doomsday Dallas style conspiracy though lol.

ehh...Jerry let Bill do his thing for a while..."shop for the groceries"...but when it became clear that the Bledsoe/Keyshawn combo was lame, Bill had to allow the GM (Jerry) to do what a GM is supposed to do...manage the team...

also, alot of the fans where really just very unhappy with Parcell's conservative play calling...it was boring as hell

3rd and 12?...ok, run a draw play to get better punting position, that way we don't risk an INT either...that was normal Parcells, he NEVER took risks...:banghead:

RedBlackAttack 11-30-2009 05:42 PM

Re: The Big Tuna to Cleveland?
 
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Originally Posted by ~primetime~
ehh...Jerry let Bill do his thing for a while..."shop for the groceries"...but when it became clear that the Bledsoe/Keyshawn combo was lame, Bill had to allow the GM (Jerry) to do what a GM is supposed to do...manage the team...

also, alot of the fans where really just very unhappy with Parcell's conservative play calling...it was boring as hell

3rd and 12?...ok, run a draw play to get better punting position, that way we don't risk an INT either...that was normal Parcells, he NEVER took risks...:banghead:

He is one of the greatest head coaches of all-time. If he did run a draw or a screen on third-and-12, it was only because he knew the percentages and understood that, if you throw the ball 15 yards downfield in that situation, there is a better chance that something bad would happen as opposed to something good.

My high school football coach (a legend in Ohio) always used to say, "when you are forced to throw the ball, three things can happen and two of them are bad."

When a team forces you to throw the ball by getting you in a bad down and distance, they are winning the battle and a lot of coaches choose not to be bullied into a risky playcall by a defense.

Regardless, we are looking at him as a GM or team president. He would have no control over playcalling. Although, if he came to Cleveland and decided that he wanted to give the sidelines another shot (which he wouldn't), I would have no problem with it.

Come on, Bill! We need you! :bowdown:

GOBB 11-30-2009 07:08 PM

Re: The Big Tuna to Cleveland?
 
It would be a great move. Bill Parcells is the quicker picker upper. Resume doesnt lie. The guy just knows how to instill in a franchise that winning mentality/attitude. You could go 9-7 but you wouldnt look at them as a 9-7 team. And you just knew the next year they would prove that. I always liked how he came in and changed the atmosphere. There is no player in football Tuna cant tame, control and get them to know he is the BOSS or you can find a new home. No weeds grows in his backyard man.

Clevland really needs that kind of lifeline. That rain cloud has lingered long enough. I dont know about Parcells returning to football however. But its a challenge you could put on the table with cash to get the Tuna thinkin.

~primetime~ 11-30-2009 09:07 PM

Re: The Big Tuna to Cleveland?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GOBB
It would be a great move. Bill Parcells is the quicker picker upper. Resume doesnt lie. The guy just knows how to instill in a franchise that winning mentality/attitude. You could go 9-7 but you wouldnt look at them as a 9-7 team. And you just knew the next year they would prove that. I always liked how he came in and changed the atmosphere. There is no player in football Tuna cant tame, control and get them to know he is the BOSS or you can find a new home. No weeds grows in his backyard man.

Clevland really needs that kind of lifeline. That rain cloud has lingered long enough. I dont know about Parcells returning to football however. But its a challenge you could put on the table with cash to get the Tuna thinkin.

hmm...

just ask Parcells about the one he reffers to the media as "the player"...

DeuceWallaces 11-30-2009 10:16 PM

Re: The Big Tuna to Cleveland?
 
Why the hell would he go to Cleveland?


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