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tsforthrees 12-15-2009 06:22 PM

Possible trades
 
when kenyon went down it was painfully obvious we need another big man. the only players we could really trade are Renaldo Balkman, Malik Allen's expiring contract, or Joey Graham as of today I think. The big men that are probably available and would come at a small price (like the three players I listed) are:

PF Joe Smith
C Aaron Gray
PF Solomon Jones
C Francisco Elson
C Ryan Hollins (if we threw in a pick)
PF Jason Smith
PF/C Fabricio Oberto

None of these players are really doing much for their current teams. I would probably prefer Oberto (experience on a contender and can shoot a little bit) or Hollins (would definitely need to throw in a pick though because Minnesota probably views him as good depth for the future)

Thoughts? Scenarios?

Pokerface 12-15-2009 08:48 PM

Re: Possible trades
 
I believe that B. Haywood from the Wizards would be a good addition for the Nuggets. They could trade Balkman and Graham or Balkman and Allen for him if the Wizards were interested.

Another possibility is to trade Balkman, or Allen and Graham to the Warriors for A. Randolph. There are rumors out that Randolph is on the Block. They could also trade a part of one of their TPE for Randolph.

Third option would be to bring up C. Simmons or Anthony Tolliver from the Idaho Stampede in the Devlopmental League. They both seem to be good rebounders and dependable scorers.

el gringos 12-17-2009 12:19 PM

Re: Possible trades
 
Balkman, allen, and graham have no trade value- nobody gives the nugs a player we want for 1 or all of these guys

Those trade exemptions on the other hand could have a lot of value- but the team is too cheap to take advantage of them- if ownership really was willing to pay for a contender it could be done, but it seems like its min wage players to surround the core for as long as we can see


Only since carmelos arrival have the nugs badly needed a 4/5 player who can stretch the floor w shooting and give carmelo space to keep him as an inside/out player- also need size defensivly-

So 7 footers who can shoot? There aren't many- didn't try for rasheed, couldn't get okur or prob even brad miller- I'd love if the team could add a piece long term like bargnani (who is way too valuble to get in a trade), spencer hawes, yi, or even jason smith would all be hard to get


Jason smith might be the only possible pickup due to being less valuble than the rest


Nugs have to get something out of kmarts contract before Ít expires- anything even close to iversons expirer trade would be nice

Birdman now becomes someone who needs traded before its too late- I can't believe that when the team can be carmelo, nene, jr, and whoever that they will be wanting to overpay bird rather than younger talent


I would trade lawson- he is at his ceiling and his value is high- he might help unload kmart and is worth more now in a trade than he will ever be

paguy1955 12-17-2009 02:35 PM

Re: Possible trades
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by el gringos
Balkman, allen, and graham have no trade value- nobody gives the nugs a player we want for 1 or all of these guys

Those trade exemptions on the other hand could have a lot of value- but the team is too cheap to take advantage of them- if ownership really was willing to pay for a contender it could be done, but it seems like its min wage players to surround the core for as long as we can see


Only since carmelos arrival have the nugs badly needed a 4/5 player who can stretch the floor w shooting and give carmelo space to keep him as an inside/out player- also need size defensivly-

So 7 footers who can shoot? There aren't many- didn't try for rasheed, couldn't get okur or prob even brad miller- I'd love if the team could add a piece long term like bargnani (who is way too valuble to get in a trade), spencer hawes, yi, or even jason smith would all be hard to get


Jason smith might be the only possible pickup due to being less valuble than the rest


Nugs have to get something out of kmarts contract before Ít expires- anything even close to iversons expirer trade would be nice

Birdman now becomes someone who needs traded before its too late- I can't believe that when the team can be carmelo, nene, jr, and whoever that they will be wanting to overpay bird rather than younger talent


I would trade lawson- he is at his ceiling and his value is high- he might help unload kmart and is worth more now in a trade than he will ever be


PLEASE STOP THIS TRADE TALK.... Lawson ain't goin nowhere 4-get-it.. He is the future. KMART well he is the heart of their D... notice most of the games they lost KMART was out...so he ain't goin nowhere.. Birdman...he ain't goin nowhere.....:rant :rant :rant :rant

KRAYZIE 12-17-2009 03:08 PM

Re: Possible trades
 
Trust me, if the Nuggets sign Hollins, fights will break out between him and kmart on a regular basis. Whether it's at practice, during games, or team dinners, the two of 'em will be going at it nonstop.:oldlol:

tsforthrees 12-24-2009 07:43 PM

Re: Possible trades
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by el gringos
Balkman, allen, and graham have no trade value- nobody gives the nugs a player we want for 1 or all of these guys

Those trade exemptions on the other hand could have a lot of value- but the team is too cheap to take advantage of them- if ownership really was willing to pay for a contender it could be done, but it seems like its min wage players to surround the core for as long as we can see


Only since carmelos arrival have the nugs badly needed a 4/5 player who can stretch the floor w shooting and give carmelo space to keep him as an inside/out player- also need size defensivly-

So 7 footers who can shoot? There aren't many- didn't try for rasheed, couldn't get okur or prob even brad miller- I'd love if the team could add a piece long term like bargnani (who is way too valuble to get in a trade), spencer hawes, yi, or even jason smith would all be hard to get


Jason smith might be the only possible pickup due to being less valuble than the rest


Nugs have to get something out of kmarts contract before Ít expires- anything even close to iversons expirer trade would be nice

Birdman now becomes someone who needs traded before its too late- I can't believe that when the team can be carmelo, nene, jr, and whoever that they will be wanting to overpay bird rather than younger talent


I would trade lawson- he is at his ceiling and his value is high- he might help unload kmart and is worth more now in a trade than he will ever be


first of all, balkman, graham and allen do have some kind of trade value, especially if a team we are trading with wants to exchange a player who is going to be under contract for a few years for a player who is expiring. some team might have hope for balkman.

second of all, your trades are unrealistic. the kings aren't going to give up spencer hawes, the raptors won't trade us bargnani. we don't have trade pieces outside of the players i mentioned and picks. you cannot use a trade exemption on its own.

third, kenyon doesn't expire until after next season, and that's when his value will be at its highest. he's not moving until then at least, and if he does leave without us getting anything in return we are still getting value for him because he leaves that much room money wise to spend on other pieces.

ty lawson has already hit his peak halfway through his rookie season?

the nuggets don't need big changes right now. they need small pieces who can play roles. we don't need an overhaul just to take a step sideways, we already did that with the allen iverson/andre miller fiasco.

tsforthrees 12-24-2009 07:44 PM

Re: Possible trades
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by KRAYZIE
Trust me, if the Nuggets sign Hollins, fights will break out between him and kmart on a regular basis. Whether it's at practice, during games, or team dinners, the two of 'em will be going at it nonstop.:oldlol:


well even nene fought with kenyon for a while. i think hollins would just be lucky to have a significant role on a championship contender.

if the wizards keep tanking i bet they'd want to unload haywood, and if that's the case he'd be my number one target if i was warkentien.

el gringos 12-26-2009 05:31 PM

Re: Possible trades
 
Why haywood- besides size and helping defensivly against 7 ftrs he doesn't fit what is needed- he clogs the lane up the same way kmart and bird do- and he doesn't run or move real well either- do you think of him as the 4th big or do you think of him at or above kmart or bird?



I liked your post from before, but I still just think we have the exact wrong type players alongside the top 4- the others need to complement the top 4's games (esp carmelo and nene)- too many rotation players on the nugs are not good enough scorers or shooters to keep defenses honest- this 1 on 2,3, or 4 is just too much-



So how can you trade the te's then- yi + dooling for te + 2 1sts wouldn't work?

el gringos 12-29-2009 12:32 PM

Re: Possible trades
 
Kmart for boris diaw + diop?

Gives size w diop, who could atleast compete w the mbenga's of the world and foul bynum/gasol + diaw be a huge upgrade offensively and help carmelo and nene so much that the downgrade defensively would be worth it

MJ(Mean John) 12-29-2009 12:56 PM

Re: Possible trades
 
So you guys need another big.


who is


[ ] 7 feet
[ ] plays defense
[ ] rebounds
[ ] blocks shots
[ ] can hit the open jumpshot
[ ] is a vet ?

(CHECK LIST)
RIGHT?

lets see..

[x] 7 feet
[x] plays defense
[x] rebounds
[x] blocks shots
[x] can hit the open jumpshot
[x] is a vet ?

Who meets these? Well,


Marcus Camby.lol


and guess what? he knows the system...

kurple 12-29-2009 09:55 PM

Re: Possible trades
 
Camby didn't play defense.

He was horrible on offense, skill vise and shot selection..

I would take Bird over him 17 days a week

MJ(Mean John) 12-30-2009 11:51 PM

Re: Possible trades
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kurple
Camby didn't play defense.

He was horrible on offense, skill vise and shot selection..

I would take Bird over him 17 days a week



The man won the defensive player of the year???


if he didnt play defense, then that means the whole league doesnt play defense?

Kobe8 12-31-2009 12:50 PM

Re: Possible trades
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MJ(Mean John)
So you guys need another big.


who is


[ ] 7 feet
[ ] plays defense
[ ] rebounds
[ ] blocks shots
[ ] can hit the open jumpshot
[ ] is a vet ?

(CHECK LIST)
RIGHT?

lets see..

[x] 7 feet
[x] plays defense
[x] rebounds
[x] blocks shots
[x] can hit the open jumpshot
[x] is a vet ?

Who meets these? Well,


Marcus Camby.lol


and guess what? he knows the system...



Actually he's not 7'0 last time i checked he stands 6'10 or 6'11 , did he grow? lolll

NuggetsFan 01-04-2010 09:05 PM

Re: Possible trades
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kurple
Camby didn't play defense.

He was horrible on offense, skill vise and shot selection..

I would take Bird over him 17 days a week


I wouldn't go that far. He played very good weak side\help defense. He was extremely overrated tho. He blocked some shots and rebounded the **** out of the ball and he grabbed an award because of it.

I'd really like Hawes but I seriously doubt we have anything to pry him away. Jason Smith has impressed me a few times when I've seen him. Be a big with some size that can grab some boards and shoot the 3 in limited minutes off the bench and seems like he'd be a realistic option as well.

el gringos 01-05-2010 01:30 PM

Re: Possible trades
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by NuggetsFan
I wouldn't go that far. He played very good weak side\help defense. He was extremely overrated tho. He blocked some shots and rebounded the **** out of the ball and he grabbed an award because of it.

I'd really like Hawes but I seriously doubt we have anything to pry him away. Jason Smith has impressed me a few times when I've seen him. Be a big with some size that can grab some boards and shoot the 3 in limited minutes off the bench and seems like he'd be a realistic option as well.


exactly- hawes prob is un gettable, maybe smith could be gotten- its size and outside shooting that would benifit carmelo, but also help out nene, kmart, or birdman depending on who he's on the floor w

What would a realistic way to get smith be- 2 1sts too many for nugs? 1 1st not enough for philly? If willing to take on th contract would te + 1 1st work for smith if nugs took a contract like kapono on?


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