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RaininThrees 03-03-2011 08:45 PM

Bryan Colangelo, James Johnson and the “second draft”
 
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In the 2005-2006 edition of the Pro Basketball Forecast book that ESPN analyst John Hollinger used to publish annually, he introduced the concept of a “second draft” where savvy NBA General Managers can acquire young prospects at a low cost before the rest of the league realizes the potential value of these players. Here’s how he described it:

“In the past, a player would leave school at age 21 or 22, sign a three-year rookie contract with an option for a fourth year and not hit free agency until about age 25. By then, his development as a player was nearly complete, so a team playing the free-agent market couldn’t find many bargains.
“The current environment has made bargain hunting much easier. If a player joins a team at age 19, he’s a free agent by the time he’s 22 or 23. In many cases, the players haven’t received much playing time and are still making all kinds of mental and physical adjustments to their game. Hence, teams can snap up a player like this in free agency, or even in a trade before he becomes a free agent, and with patience and a little luck they’ll have a quality player at a bargain price.”


On February 22, Raptors President/GM Bryan Colangelo traded the Miami Heat’s 2011 first round pick they acquired in the Chris Bosh “trade” to the Chicago Bulls for small forward James Johnson, who is in the second year of his rookie contract and was buried on a deep roster. It was primarily a cost-cutting move for the Bulls (Johnson earns $1.7 million this season and will make $1.8 million in 2011-12) and Colangelo probably had very few qualms in parting with a late first round pick in what is likely to be a very weak draft.

Johnson turned 24 two days before he was traded so he’s a little bit older than your typical second draft acquisition, but with only 880 minutes of NBA experience at the time of the trade and with what is obviously a raw skillset for this level, Johnson is a classic second draft pickup. When you consider that he was drafted 16th overall in 2009 and that Colangelo acquired him for what will likely be no higher than a 25th overall pick in a weak draft, the trade looks that much better.

Of course, it only looks like a good trade by Colangelo if Johnson can actually play. Technically, you could also consider former second overall pick Hasheem Thabeet to be a second draft pickup by the Rockets but all signs point to the likelihood that Thabeet is a bust of epic proportions. In comparison, Johnson already does a few things well — defense, rebounding, passing, shot-blocking — that make him a solid NBA rotation player at his current development level.

You can find a number of second draft examples over the past decade that didn’t work out — Darko Milicic, DeSagana Diop and Luke Jackson come to mind — but there have also been some notable success stories.
Jermaine O’Neal — Drafted as a 17-year-old by the Portland Trail Blazers, it shouldn’t have been a surprise that he never averaged over 13.5 minutes per game in any of his four seasons in Portland. In August 2000, the Blazers traded him and Joe Kleine to the Indiana Pacers for Dale Davis. In Indiana, O’Neal was named to six All-Star teams and was the leader of the 2003-04 Pacers squad that took the Detroit Pistons to six games in the Eastern Conference championship.

Gerald Wallace — The Sacramento Kings selected Wallace as a raw 18-year-old with the 25th pick in the 2001 draft and he understandably didn’t see a lot of playing time in three seasons in which the Kings never won fewer than 55 games. He was snatched up by the Charlotte Bobcats in their 2004 expansion draft and almost immediately earned a starting spot with his athleticism and tenacious defense. Wallace developed some offensive polish over the next several seasons and played in his first All-Star Game last season.

Luis Scola — Considering the San Antonio Spurs’ stellar reputation with late draft picks, Scola sticks out as the one diamond in the rough they let get away. The Spurs drafted Scola with the 55th overall pick in the 2002 draft and were never able to negotiate a buyout with his Argentinian club over the next five years. San Antonio finally traded his rights along with Jackie Butler to the Houston Rockets for the rights to Vassilis Spanoulis, a 2009 second round pick and cash. Since he secured the Rockets’ starting power forward spot midway through the 2007-08 season, he’s continued to improve his game and he’s averaging 20.3 points, 8.9 rebounds and 2.7 assists for Houston this season.

Will James Johnson turn into a success story like O’Neal, Wallace or Scola? Probably not. You would think the Bulls wouldn’t give him up so cheaply if he had that kind of potential. But if he develops into an above-average starting small forward over the next two seasons of his rookie contract, Colangelo will have used the second draft philosophy to turn a late first round pick into a player who will almost certainly be better than anybody he would have likely drafted with that pick.

http://blogs.thescore.com/raptorblog...-second-draft/

bballnoob 03-03-2011 09:52 PM

Re: Bryan Colangelo, James Johnson and the “second draft”
 
I've never been a fan of players with more power forward type skill sets in a 3's body (especially after watching Joey Graham for a while) but it is pretty encouraging watching Johnson's play so far. He already lost the weight a while ago IIRC but his playmaking instincts look pretty good as well surprisingly. Jumpshot and handle still need work obviously.

Although he is over aggressive sometimes, it's just damn refreshing to see the Johnson/Amir/Davis out there being such an active frontcourt.

Still don't see him as a starter in the league right now but we haven't seen enough of his offense yet to really draw any conclusions.

Qwyjibo 03-03-2011 10:37 PM

Re: Bryan Colangelo, James Johnson and the “second draft”
 
It's silly to compare someone like Johnson to guys like O'Neal and Wallace who were VERY young when they were drafted. Johnson was 22 going into the NBA. He should have been good enough to prove worthy of playing time at that point. These types of articles generally point to exceptions as well to instill a sense of hope. That's nice but you also need to consider the probability of something occurring based on historical evidence.

I still like the trade though. I think it's a good and small risk to take considering the alternative is likely one of the last picks of the upcoming 1st round. I hope Johnson sees big minutes at SF the rest of the season. It's not like there is much left to see in players like Weems and Wright.


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it's just damn refreshing to see the Johnson/Amir/Davis out there being such an active frontcourt.
I agree. The problem I've seen so far is Amir and Davis both wearing down towards the end of games. They may not have the frames to handle playing big minutes at C. I hope Davis proves to be a legit "PF of the futre" and the Raptors look to putting a good strong C beside him. Then again, I hoped for the exact same thing with Bosh and it never happened.

BRabbiT 03-04-2011 12:45 AM

Re: Bryan Colangelo, James Johnson and the “second draft”
 
he seems like a good fit.

GoRapz 03-06-2011 10:22 AM

Re: Bryan Colangelo, James Johnson and the “second draft”
 
I hope James makes the most out of his starting role because I can't see him being our future starting SF unless he makes big improvements this off-season. I see him more of a role player coming off the bench providing good D and energy. Around 20 mins a game I say

bokes15 03-06-2011 10:27 AM

Re: Bryan Colangelo, James Johnson and the “second draft”
 
With Jay Triano as coach, Davis never has to worry about wearing down towards the ends of games anyways, because he never plays with 5 mins or less. He's getting "Derozan'd" this year.

bballnoob 03-06-2011 12:42 PM

Re: Bryan Colangelo, James Johnson and the “second draft”
 
On the topic of DeRozan, I hope himself and the coaching staff continue his progression by adding some weight in the offseason and working on his finishing. Although it's nice that he's showing off his new toy (the jumper) these past few games, his forays into the paint still could use some work. As mentioned in the past, his post game is also showing promise and I hope they try and keep his offensive game well rounded rather than more jumper oriented.

bokes15 03-06-2011 01:03 PM

Re: Bryan Colangelo, James Johnson and the “second draft”
 
By the way if anyone wonders what "Derozan'd" means, it's a term I just made up meaning:

"To get f*cked out of pivotal late 4th quarter minutes and/or experience by coach Jay Triano by virtue of being a rookie not named Andrea Bargnani in favor of short term gains."

Example. "Why is Ed Davis being nailed to the bench against New Jersey when he has 12/15 and has been playing a terrific game thus far? He's getting Derozan'd."

DJMason 03-06-2011 05:17 PM

Re: Bryan Colangelo, James Johnson and the “second draft”
 
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Originally Posted by bokes15
By the way if anyone wonders what "Derozan'd" means, it's a term I just made up meaning:

"To get f*cked out of pivotal late 4th quarter minutes and/or experience by coach Jay Triano by virtue of being a rookie not named Andrea Bargnani in favor of short term gains."

Example. "Why is Ed Davis being nailed to the bench against New Jersey when he has 12/15 and has been playing a terrific game thus far? He's getting Derozan'd."


+100

I know it has a snowball's chance in hell of happening, but I'd like the JT era to come to an end. This organization needs a massive page change in terms of roster and management. Again won't happen with BC probably coming back but a man can dream.

bluerap 03-06-2011 07:51 PM

Re: Bryan Colangelo, James Johnson and the “second draft”
 
I'd say the fact BC doesn't have an extension yet points to the very real possibility he will be replaced.

I'm sure MLSE would resign him in a heart beat, except that they are cheap bastards. Why not go with a cheap young GM - he couldn't do any worse.

Though I must admit, BC has been doing exactly what I want him to this season.


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