If you was a Cavs GM so who would you pick?
1st pick.....who
4th Pick...who?
I would pick Derrick Williams over Kyrie Irving
for 4th I would pick Jonas Valanciunas or Enes Kanter
Cavs already got Baron Davis and Ramon Sessions
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If you was a Cavs GM so who would you pick?
1st pick.....who
4th Pick...who?
I would pick Derrick Williams over Kyrie Irving
for 4th I would pick Jonas Valanciunas or Enes Kanter
Cavs already got Baron Davis and Ramon Sessions
[QUOTE=Gundress]If you was a Cavs GM so who would you pick?
1st pick.....who
4th Pick...who?
I would pick Derrick Williams over Kyrie Irving
for 4th I would pick Jonas Valanciunas or Enes Kanter
Cavs already got Baron Davis and Ramon Sessions[/QUOTE]
Irving at number one, then convince Jazz to swap you 3-4 (add in another small piece) and land Williams.
1st pick Derrick Williams: Why? Best player in the draft by a wide margin.
4th pick Alec Burk: Why? Burk has the most potential out of any player in this class. And he fills the SG hole nicely.
[QUOTE=8BeastlyXOIAD]1st pick Derrick Williams: Why? Best player in the draft by a wide margin.
4th pick Alec Burk: Why? Burk has the most potential out of any player in this class. And he fills the SG hole nicely.[/QUOTE]
I agree with this.
[QUOTE=8BeastlyXOIAD]1st pick Derrick Williams: Why? Best player in the draft by a wide margin.
4th pick Alec Burk: Why? Burk has the most potential out of any player in this class. And he fills the SG hole nicely.[/QUOTE]
I see youre already being a wolves homer.
I think the Cavs should draft Demetrius McCamey with their second round pick. Let Davis mentor him and he could become solid.
Irving at 1 Williams at 2 Knight at 3 Kanter at 4
Cavs should aim for Kyrie Irving and Derrick Williams....if not, then Kanter with the 4th.
[QUOTE=DStebb716]Irving at number one, then convince Jazz to swap you 3-4 (add in another small piece) and land Williams.[/QUOTE]
Number 1 don't mean shit......Derrick Williams could be better player than Kyrie Irving.
Look at this line-up
Baron Davis/Ramon Sessions
Anthony Parker/Daniel Gibson
Derrick Williams/
J.J. Hickson/Antawn Jamison
Anderson Varejao/Enes Kanter or Jonas Valanciunas
or
Baron Davis/Kyrie Irving
Anthony Parker/Daniel Gibson
Antawn Jamison
J.J. Hickson
Anderson Varejao/Enes Kanter or Jonas Valanciunas
So tell me which one is better...I am going with Derrick Williams.
[QUOTE=kaiiu]I agree with this.[/QUOTE]
:cheers: :cheers:
[QUOTE] I see youre already being a wolves homer.[/QUOTE]
why do you mean?
Picking up Kyrie Irivng wont solve their problems.
They got Daniel Gibson, Baron Davis, and Ramon Sessions @ the PG slot already, no need to pick up Kyrie when he wont be nothing more than a Mike Conley Jr.
And next year if they hit the lottery again, there is a bunch of good PG's out there.
derrick williams
[QUOTE=Gundress]Number 1 don't mean shit......Derrick Williams could be better player than Kyrie Irving.
[B]Look at this line-up
Baron Davis/Ramon Sessions
Anthony Parker/Daniel Gibson
Derrick Williams/
J.J. Hickson/Antawn Jamison
Anderson Varejao/Enes Kanter or Jonas Valanciunas
[/B]
or
Baron Davis/Kyrie Irving
Anthony Parker/Daniel Gibson
Antawn Jamison
J.J. Hickson
Anderson Varejao/Enes Kanter or Jonas Valanciunas
So tell me which one is better...I am going with Derrick Williams.[/QUOTE]
:cheers: :cheers:
they can either get Kanter or pick up Alec Burk
Kanter is going 2nd. Should've been the 1st pick if he played last season.
Alec Burks could be a sleeper. Dude knows how to score the ball. I could see him becoming a all star
[QUOTE=8BeastlyXOIAD]:cheers: :cheers:
why do you mean?
Picking up Kyrie Irivng wont solve their problems.
They got Daniel Gibson, Baron Davis, and Ramon Sessions @ the PG slot already, no need to pick up Kyrie when he wont be nothing more than a Mike Conley Jr.
And next year if they hit the lottery again, there is a bunch of good PG's out there.[/QUOTE]
Thank you...this is what I am saying.
People acting like Kyrie Irving will make the cavs much better team and I don't see it.
[QUOTE=Gundress]Number 1 don't mean shit......Derrick Williams could be better player than Kyrie Irving.
Look at this line-up
Baron Davis/Ramon Sessions
Anthony Parker/Daniel Gibson
Derrick Williams/
J.J. Hickson/Antawn Jamison
Anderson Varejao/Enes Kanter or Jonas Valanciunas
or
Baron Davis/Kyrie Irving
Anthony Parker/Daniel Gibson
Antawn Jamison
J.J. Hickson
Anderson Varejao/Enes Kanter or Jonas Valanciunas
So tell me which one is better...I am going with Derrick Williams.[/QUOTE]
I agree the first lineup looks more solid, but I don't think Cavs can depend on Baron Davis to be honest. They should take Irving because Davis isn't reliable and should be traded for some more help. None of these players are really that great looking to me anyways, but they could help the Cavs out a bit.
[QUOTE=kaiiu]Alec Burks could be a sleeper. Dude knows how to score the ball. I could see him becoming a all star[/QUOTE]
That could work for the 4th pick. Dude is 6-6 and he's playing PG/SG but they need SF and C more than SG/PG.
[QUOTE=Gundress]Thank you...this is what I am saying.
People acting like Kyrie Irving will make the cavs much better team and I don't see it.[/QUOTE]
yep.
Kyrie is really getting overrated on this forum.
Sure he is a good true PG. But trying to build your team around someone like Mike Conley Jr is a joke.
:roll: :roll: :roll: @ the Cavs organization if they pick up Irving instead of D-will
[QUOTE=Gundress]That could work for the 4th pick. Dude is 6-6 and he's playing PG/SG but they need more SF and C than SG/PG.[/QUOTE]
Williams and Burks. The wing is set for a while and if it dont work there are PLENTY more SF/SGs in the next draft so its a win/win
Davis
Burks
Williams
Hickson
Andy
:bowdown:
edit: plus they have the 7 foot Erden kid from Turkey they got grom Boston who might be solid
[QUOTE=Gundress]That could work for the 4th pick. Dude is 6-6 and he's playing PG/SG but they need SF and C more than SG/PG.[/QUOTE]
yeah. That is why they go after Derrick Williams. He is a SF, just like Beasley. He even stated he see's himself playing the 3.
Who do the Cavs got @ the 2?
INB4 KG215 gets butt hurt :applause: :applause:
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
[QUOTE=8BeastlyXOIAD]1st pick Derrick Williams: Why? Best player in the draft by a wide margin.
4th pick Alec Burk: Why? Burk has the most potential out of any player in this class. And he fills the SG hole nicely.[/QUOTE]
I'm not butthurt. It's just funny how stupid you are when it comes to trying to make rational NBA arguments.
Except Derrick Williams isn't the best player in the draft by a wide margin.
It's awesome when you press forward with your stupid agendas to make a point, no matter how stupid it sounds.
Even if you don't like Kyrie Irving (I don't think he's the savior some are claiming him to be) Derrick Williams still isn't the best player in the draft by a wide margin. He might be the best athlete with the most upside, but he's not the best player by a wide margin.
[QUOTE=Brickz187]I agree the first lineup looks more solid, but I don't think Cavs can depend on Baron Davis to be honest. They should take Irving because Davis isn't reliable and should be traded for some more help. None of these players are really that great looking to me anyways, but they could help the Cavs out a bit.[/QUOTE]
I would keep Baron Davis.....cause they need a veteran on this team and I would trade Antawn Jamison
......Baron Davis is more valuable to this team than f*cking Antawn Jamison.
[QUOTE=KG215]I'm not butthurt. It's just funny how stupid you are when it comes to trying to make rational NBA arguments.
Except Derrick Williams isn't the best player in the draft by a wide margin.
It's awesome when you press forward with your stupid agendas to make a point, no matter how stupid it sounds.
Even if you don't like Kyrie Irving (I don't think he's the savior some are claiming him to be) Derrick Williams still isn't the best player in the draft by a wide margin. He might be the best athlete with the most upside, but he's not the best player by a wide margin.[/QUOTE]
How isn't he the best player in the class? Explain to me how.
I'd like to hear it.
Kyrie is good, but picking him over Derrick Williams will haunt the Cavs in the future. Quote me on that.:cheers:
[QUOTE=8BeastlyXOIAD]:Picking up Kyrie Irivng wont solve their problems.
They got Daniel Gibson, Baron Davis, and Ramon Sessions @ the PG slot already, no need to pick up Kyrie when he wont be nothing more than a Mike Conley Jr.
And next year if they hit the lottery again, there is a bunch of good PG's out there.[/QUOTE]
Exactly. There aren't two players in this draft good enough to fix a lousy team without help. Start to build a franchise, a program, a culture. The failure to plan like that is a big part of why Cleveland is as bad as they are.
Take Irvine and Williams is long gone at the 4. So you settle for the next Euro-big or the big kid from Texas.
Take Willaims and you'll still have the chance to take a good guard prospect or pretty much whatever you want at the 4 spot.
Williams is the best player in this draft. He's shown steady progression throughout his two years in college, vs a guy who was annointed a star vs Cal-Poly (Pomona), St Augustines, Colgate, etc. He can play inside or outside (shot 60% from the floor and nearly that from 3), rebounds, runs, and is a legit 6'8", 240.
Irvine may be the real deal, but it's WAY too small a sample size, especially coming off the absolute worst injury a basketball player can have: a foot injury.
[QUOTE=kaiiu]I think the Cavs should draft Demetrius McCamey with their second round pick. Let Davis mentor him and he could become solid.[/QUOTE]
McCamey is garbage.
[QUOTE=KG215]I'm not butthurt. It's just funny how stupid you are when it comes to trying to make rational NBA arguments.
Except Derrick Williams isn't the best player in the draft by a wide margin.
It's awesome when you press forward with your stupid agendas to make a point, no matter how stupid it sounds.
Even if you don't like Kyrie Irving (I don't think he's the savior some are claiming him to be) Derrick Williams still isn't the best player in the draft by a wide margin. He might be the best athlete with the most upside, but he's not the best player by a wide margin.[/QUOTE]
19 ppg, 8 reb per. 75% FT shooter. 60% FG shooter. 58% 3 PT SHOOTER.
Following a frosh season where he went for 16/7 in 28 minutes per.
Legit 6'8", 240, with great athleticism. Actually played more than 11 college games and isn't coming off a foot injury.
Took a team without a high-level D1 guard to the round of 8. Their backcourt was so bad, the starters have already transferred, knowing they won't beat out the incoming freshmen.
Don't feel bad that you didn't know it. Most of the chuckleheads across the country didn't know his name until the Sweet 16. He was the best player on the court every game he played all season.
2008:
Should the Bulls Pick Michael Beasley over Derrick Rose?
[QUOTE=1rkrage]2008:
Should the Bulls Pick Michael Beasley over Derrick Rose?[/QUOTE]
this is totally different.
Derrick Rose was something else.
[QUOTE=JMT]19 ppg, 8 reb per. 75% FT shooter. 60% FG shooter. 58% 3 PT SHOOTER.
Following a frosh season where he went for 16/7 in 28 minutes per.
Legit 6'8", 240, with great athleticism. Actually played more than 11 college games and isn't coming off a foot injury.
Took a team without a high-level D1 guard to the round of 8. Their backcourt was so bad, the starters have already transferred, knowing they won't beat out the incoming freshmen.
Don't feel bad that you didn't know it. Most of the chuckleheads across the country didn't know his name until the Sweet 16. He was the best player on the court every game he played all season.[/QUOTE]
I didn't say he wasn't the best player in the draft, I just don't think it's by a wide-margin.
The reason I think Irving should go #1 has nothing to do with me thinking he's a for sure better pro prospect than Derrick Williams. I just think a PG fits better with the Cavs than a PF/SF combo. I don't see Derrick Williams as an NBA SF but he can get by with it. He's got good enough touch from the perimeter to play SF.
It's Beasley claiming that Williams is the best player in this draft by a wide-margin that bothers me. I just don't know if that's true. I think he was the most productive player in college with the highest ceiling but I also like the potential of players like Kanter, Brandon Knight and, yes, Kyrie Irving.
Oh, and I was and am VERY aware of Derrick Williams. I'm one of the few people who posts on ISH that watches and follows college basketball closer than the NBA. I thought Derrick Williams was the best player in the country this year. He deserved much more NPOY consideration. But thank you for educating me on things I was already very aware of.
Wait a min...I didn't know that Cavs actually got first two picks(1st and 2nd picks) til they made the deal with the T-Wolves?
Is it true?
[QUOTE] [IMG]http://basketball.realgm.com/images/nba/4.2/wiretap/photos/2006/Williams_Derrick_ncaa_110126.jpg[/IMG]
If Derrick Williams had to compare himself to any current NBA players, his best picks would be hybrid forwards Michael Beasley, David West and Antawn Jamison.
Will Williams play more small forward or power forward in the NBA? That's a point of contention.
"I like when people say 3-4 more than a 4-3," Williams said. "A 4-3, most people think you're 6-foot-10, 250 pounds. Being 6-8, 6-9 and 240, it gives me a real advantage, especially if I play the 3. I don't like being labeled a power forward at all."
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:cheers:
[url]http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/212573/Derrick_Williams_Sees_Himself_As_NBA_Small_Forward[/url]
[QUOTE=8BeastlyXOIAD]How isn't he the best player in the class? Explain to me how.
I'd like to hear it.
Kyrie is good, but picking him over Derrick Williams will haunt the Cavs in the future. Quote me on that.:cheers:[/QUOTE]
I didn't say he was the best player in the class. You haven't made an argument as to why Derrick Williams is the best player in the class, either.
I should have stated this last night when I was going after you. [B] I think Derrick Williams has the most potential in the this draft class. I think his ceiling is higher than any other player and his ridiculous college stats are more than enough reason to take him no lower than 2nd.[/B]
I'd have to do some digging through old threads from the college basketball board but I was even saying things like, why wouldn't you take Derrick Williams #1 overall instead Kyrie Irving? Of course at that time we had no idea who was going to have the #1 pick.
Maybe it's because I don't see Derrick Williams as an NBA SF. I think he's a combo PF/SF, meaning I think he'd be better served logging most of his minutes at PF while playing about 5-7 minutes a night at SF. I don't know if this is a good comparison but I can see Derrick Williams as an Amare Stoudemire type player. Williams is 6'8" with elite athleticism and a very reliable perimeter jump-shot. I can see Derrick Williams being a stretch/face-up PF who strings together rim-rattling dunk after rim-rattling dunk while also hurting teams with 15-18 foot jumpers, a lot like Amare. I know that's probably not the best comparison but it's who comes to mind for me.
I just like the Cavs need and could use a PG more than Williams. I do think Irving has the tools and potential to be a borderline superstar PG. I don't think he's the next Chris Paul, Deron Williams, or any other elite/superstar NBA PG. I do think he can be a future all-star with a high ceiling. He might be Chris Paul-lite. Not as good as CP3 but, like Paul, he can do everything: shoot the three, shoot the mid-range jumper, penetrate, and distribute the basketball. His 11 game college career in college, though, does worry me along with the foot injury, although I don't think the foot injury is anything to be too concerned about.
I easily go Kyrie Irving to compete with a very deep PG class/crop in the NBA. I'm not one who thinks he is the best thing coming. I dont even think he is Chris Paul 2.0. I just think he's going to be a very good PG. I dont expect him to be Mike Conley either where he is just above average. I rather a floor general than Derrick Williams.
At #4 its Enes Kanter or I'm unsure. I dont know much about the foreigners and little about Kanter. But I like the fact that Kanter isnt your typical euro big. Not sure about his health, knee history tho. And the only footage I've seen is from playing against other talented dudes his age. And I liked the fact he was a big who liked to work in the paint. Who put his back to the basket and showed some moves, footwork. ASgain I dont know about the other euros and havent seen much footage. One video I seen of Valu (whatever his name is). He looked stiff. But again I dunno.
#4 I'd be open to trade. I wouldnt rule that out. I know people like stockpiling talent to rebuild and thats not a bad thing. But you also got an option to aquire a young established talent as well. Why would another team trade such a player? To start over themselves.
Cleveland aint winning nothing over night. 2012 is a deep class. I'd even consider moving #4 for next years first rd pick even if its a protected #1.
[QUOTE=GOBB]I easily go Kyrie Irving to compete with a very deep PG class/crop in the NBA. I'm not one who thinks he is the best thing coming. I dont even think he is Chris Paul 2.0. I just think he's going to be a very good PG. I dont expect him to be Mike Conley either where he is just above average. I rather a floor general than Derrick Williams.
At #4 its Enes Kanter or I'm unsure. I dont know much about the foreigners and little about Kanter. But I like the fact that Kanter isnt your typical euro big. Not sure about his health, knee history tho. And the only footage I've seen is from playing against other talented dudes his age. And I liked the fact he was a big who liked to work in the paint. Who put his back to the basket and showed some moves, footwork. ASgain I dont know about the other euros and havent seen much footage. One video I seen of Valu (whatever his name is). He looked stiff. But again I dunno.
#4 I'd be open to trade. I wouldnt rule that out. I know people like stockpiling talent to rebuild and thats not a bad thing. But you also got an option to aquire a young established talent as well. Why would another team trade such a player? To start over themselves.
[B]Cleveland aint winning nothing over night. 2012 is a deep class. I'd even consider moving #4 for next years first rd pick even if its a protected #1[/B].[/QUOTE]
This makes no sense. Move a top #4 pick for a pick next year that may not be in the top 8??
No.
Cavs are okay. I'm not the biggest Irving fan, but since they have the opportunity to draft who I wanted them to draft reagrdless of draft position (Val), I'm good. Irving is not a svaior but paired with a talent like Jonas, Cavs are good for the next 10 years. Cavs have to get the right big, tho. Being competitive is not enough. And this is what some Cavs fans are struggling to grasp. Winning 50 games is not what I'm aiming for. Rings are. And you do this with bigs who can flash out and contain penetration from the perimeter ala Jakim Noah.
And you're wrong about Valauniacus' mobility. Dude can absolutely move his feet. In fact, its one of his strengths.
Rest of you post is solid.
They should trade the pick to Washington for Andray Blatche and the 6th pick
:roll: :roll: :roll: not even in my dreams
I say pick Derrick Williams, have him play the three. He's the most NBA-ready out of everyone in the draft. And pick either Knight, Walker, Kanter or Burks with the fourth pick. You want people in the seats and excited? Get Williams and Walker. Team probably wouldn't be very good, but it'd be exciting to watch to say the least.
I'm personally just not sold on Iriving. Too much of a small sample and plus the foot injury bothers the hell out of me. Williams has a much larger sample and he dominated the touranament with pretty much almost 20/9 on 60% shooting.
i would pick williams with #1 cos hes all round good pretty much then one of the euro centers davis is a decent pass first pg so he would do
[QUOTE=Gundress]If you was a Cavs GM so who would you pick?
1st pick.....who
4th Pick...who?
I would pick Derrick Williams over Kyrie Irving
for 4th I would pick Jonas Valanciunas or Enes Kanter
Cavs already got Baron Davis and Ramon Sessions[/QUOTE]
just seen i wrote pretty much the same this guy has it
I was actually thinking the same thing. We don't NEED another PG. Sessions actually did really good for us when he had the chance and i'd like to see what he can do next year with Baron's mentoring.
We need someone at the 3
[QUOTE=B-Low]I was actually thinking the same thing. We don't NEED another PG. Sessions actually did really good for us when he had the chance and i'd like to see what he can do next year with Baron's mentoring.
We need someone at the 3[/QUOTE]
The more I think about it, no Williams cant play the 3 and Sessions has peaked on what he can do. Irving and Kanter. If these 2 suck there are plenty of SF in next years draft