Is there any player with only 1 mvp in the goat debate?:oldlol: :oldlol:
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Is there any player with only 1 mvp in the goat debate?:oldlol: :oldlol:
Struggling to be in the Top15 is more likely.
[QUOTE=Blue&Orange]Struggling to be in the Top15 is more likely.[/QUOTE]
theres no way he's lower than 12 and objective people will have him around 9.
15 , STRUGGLING for top 15, that is just absurd.
[QUOTE=Nevaeh]
Kids love em:
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This is adorable. :D
[QUOTE=Sound and Fury]In 20 years, there is a slight chance that Kobe will be remembered throughout the world as the Greatest of All Time. Here's why. (Quick disclaimer: I am not going to argue about who IS the GOAT - legitimate arguments can be made for a handful of players - this is discussing about how players are remembered/perceived).
Point 1: Most players and journalists today - and likely many on ISH - suffer the effects of a Reminiscence Bump (see [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reminiscence_bump[/url]) with regard to Jordan, whose prime was in their "formative years." If you're between the ages of about 20 and 40, the memory of Jordan - and his greatness - is burned so powerfully into your brain, your perspective probably isn't quite right about him (full disclosure: I'm included in this group). [b]Be a little bit skeptical of yourself when considering your ability to objectively compare things "outside your Reminiscence Bump" with things "inside it."[/b] (It's the same reason you'll get arguments about the best music of all time based on generations - Frank Sinatra or Elvis Presley or Eddie Van Halen or Kurt Cobain or Stephen Tyler or Michael Jackson or Justin Bieber.)
Point 2: As I've argued on these boards before (not going to be bothered to search for it) that the rise of Michael Jordan happened to correspond perfectly with the explosion of a new universal medium - cable TV - and Jordan happened to be the best player on the only team that was shown on national cable TV (by way of WGN), thus allowing the Bulls to become "America's Team" because they were the only team whose games were all nationally televised. This was also during the rise of ESPN, which, at the time, was staffed by people who were fans of sport as much as journalists (I mean, look at early Chris Berman videos). With Jordan peaking and winning multiple titles during this period, it was the perfect confluence to put Jordan into the national consciousness AND allow the Reminiscence Bump to really solidify his place among a generation as the Greatest Player of the time (and thanks to the Reminiscence Bump that tends to be expanded in our minds to be the Greatest Of All Time).
It's possible that Kobe can benefit from being in a similar situation, particularly if he finds a way to win another title or two. Twenty years from now, the 30- and 40-somethings will be those who grew up watching Kobe instead of Jordan, and thus Kobe will be the one gaining the benefits of the Reminiscence bump in casual conversation (those who remember Jordan will be the equivalent of todays 50- and 60-year olds who are seen as a bit "old and out of touch" by the younger crowd - just look at the way ISH discounts those who want to talk about Wilt or Oscar or Russell as being in the GOAT conversation).
In addition, Kobe may benefit globally by the rise of a new universal media - the internet - in the same way Jordan benefitted from Cable. We already know that Kobe is incredibly popular in China. It's quite possible that in 20 years, basketball will continue to expand globally and as it does, the beneficiary of the Reminiscence Bump AND the expansion of a new media type will shift from Jordan to Kobe. (Note that this benefit should probably shift to LeBron instead of Kobe, but LeBron still needs to win a couple of titles, since "you have to win a title to be a great player" has been added post hoc ergo propter hoc to our criteria for "GOAT" status since the Magic/Bird era).
Whether or not Kobe/Jordan/Other is the GOAT, sure it's possible Kobe will be remembered by the world at large (if not current ISH junkies or even Americans, who have Jordan Jordan Jordan drilled into their heads) as the GOAT in 20 years. Likely? Maybe not. But some of the same forces that lead to Jordan currently holding the "GOAT" title in most of the ISH participants will certainly be in play in Kobe's favor in 20 years.[/QUOTE]
This is [B]NOT[/B] a true statement...."Jordan happened to be the best player on the only team that was shown on national cable TV (by way of WGN), thus allowing the Bulls to become "America's Team" because they were the only team whose games were all nationally televised." - [B]Not all games were televised. [/B]
[url]http://bulk.resource.org/courts.gov/c/F2/961/961.F2d.667.91-1434.html[/url]
[B]WGN-TV, channel 9 in Chicago, is called a superstation because cable systems throughout the nation carry its signal. During the 1990-91 season WGN telecast 25 games of the Chicago Bulls, one of 27 teams in the National Basketball Association. During the 1991-92 season WGN will telecast 30 of the Bulls' regular-season games.[/B] This is a boon to fans, for, apart from the seven contests broadcast on network TV, the remainder of the Bulls' 82 regular-season games appear on SportsChannel, which is available only on cable. It is a boon as well to the Bulls' owners, who collect larger royalties from WGN than from SportsChannel, in light of WGN's greater audience. But it is a bane to the other clubs, which would prefer to have fans watch their contests rather than tune in the Bulls, who, thanks to Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippen (to name only the Olympians), are the winningest and most popular team in the NBA.
During Jordan's rise, the only way you were gonna watch every game was through Sportsvision which was on cable and not available to everyone. Only those in Chicago with cable could get all the Bulls games.
20 years later...still greatest.
[IMG]http://www.freakingnews.com/pictures/37500/Old-Michael-Jordan--37592.jpg[/IMG]
[QUOTE=rodman91]20 years later...still greatest.
[IMG]http://www.freakingnews.com/pictures/37500/Old-Michael-Jordan--37592.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
That looks more like 40 years later....:lol
As long as their is film available, record books to look at, stat sheets, and the world wide web....Kobe will NEVER be considered the greatest.
He's a very exciting player. Kobe will never be forgotten.
:oldlol: Tom Cruise with Jordan's on.
I really don't see Kobe winning anymore. Maybe 1 more, but 2 more? Doubtful. And that 1 more will have to come from Andrew Bynum having that 1 season where he is totally healthy, which may or may not ever come. Would've been different if Howard came over like everyone was predicting him to at one point.
Even if he wins 1 more to tie Jordan, with the internet and video, people will point out Jordan's 4 more MVPs, 3-4 more Final MVPs, his vastly superior statistics, and just the fact that he's a better player. There still won't be much of an argument for Kobe. If he stays at 5 titles, then I can't imagine what people can come up with.
[QUOTE=Nevaeh]Kids love em:
[IMG]http://www.atlnightspots.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/379053_10.jpg[/IMG]
Tom Cruise loves em:
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Even your :"Awesome God" loves em:
[IMG]http://kicksaddict.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/kobe-bryant-concord-11s.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
Funny thing is every one of these people got theirs for free.
[QUOTE=Legends66NBA7]As timeless as Kobe possibly could be, a lot of things don't get better with age.
I've heard one very interesting claim that people from 20 years from now (the generation that never saw Kobe)... might not even have Kobe in their Top 20 and probably might not even have him in their Top 30 and that generation would laugh at the generation of today putting Kobe in their Top 10.
Offcourse, that's not my claim, but we won't know how well Kobe's legacy will age (no matter how timless he is), until he retires.[/QUOTE]
Nah, his overall resume is already on par or better than all of the consensus top 5'ers. And he is only adding to it with each season.
[QUOTE=rodman91]20 years later...still greatest.
[IMG]http://www.freakingnews.com/pictures/37500/Old-Michael-Jordan--37592.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
:wtf:
If people over time forgot how great Jordan was to the point that they compare the likes of Kobe to him, how bad you think they're gonna forget Kobe? 20 years from now, they'll probably be trying to compare Kobe to Melo calibre players.
20 years from now Kobe will be viewed as at least #1 - #2 alltime.....
2040' (logs onto ISH via I Brain)...
[B]Kobe stan[/B] - "remember Kobe dropped 42 points on MJ in 1 1/2 quarters....Kobe was a much better player then MJ"
[B]MJ stan [/B]- "Kobe can't hold MJ's underwear strap....Kobe shot .4% lower....45% vs 49%"