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CavaliersFTW 03-26-2012 03:47 PM

Russell, Chamberlain, Kareem - How did they measure up?:
 
Detailed Measurement Data.

(In order by height)

Yao Ming:
Billed Information:
FIBA:: 7-5, 276
NBA (rookie): 296
NBA: 7-6, 310
Basketball Reference: 7-6, 310

Actual Measurements:
Height: 7-5.75 (Was 7-5 in October 2002, then measured 7'5.75 in September 2004)
Wingspan: 7-5
Standing Reach: 9-7
Hand Length:10"
Playing Weight:
296 - early career
310 - mid career
276 - 2010 FIBA
Shoes: U.S. size 18

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar:
Billed Information:
NCAA: 7-1 3/8
Milwaukee Bucks (rookie): 7-1 1/2, 235
Basketball Reference: 7-2, 225
NBA (late career): 7-2, 267

Actual Measurements:
Height: 7-1.88 (7-1.375 UCLA, 7-1.5 rookie Bucks training camp, 7-1.625 2nd season Bucks training camp, 7-1.88 3rd season Bucks training camp)
Wingspan: 7-5
Playing Weight:
225lbs - rookie
231lbs - 2nd season
235lbs - early career
240lbs - mid career
267lbs - late career
Shoes: U.S. size 16

Wilt Chamberlain:
Billed Information:
NCAA: 7-0
Philadelphia Warriors: 7-1 1/16, 250
Basketball Reference: 7-1, 275
NBA (All teams after the Warriors): 7-1, 275

Actual Measurements:
Height: 7-1.06 (6-11.5 age 17, 7-1.06 age 23)
Wingspan: 7-8
Standing Reach: 9-6
Hand Length: 9.5"
Hand Spread: 11.5"
Playing Weight:
258 - rookie
265 - 3rd season
292 - 5th season
275 - mid career
285 - mid-late career
300 - late career
320 - maximum (training camp of 5th season)
Shoes: U.S. size 15

Shaquille O'Neal:
Billed Information:
NCAA: 7-1, 294
Orlando Magic: 7-1, 300
Basketball Reference: 7-1, 325
NBA (after Orlando): 7-1, 325

Actual Measurements:
Height: 7-0.88 (At age 21, 7-0.63 NBA draft measurement 1, 7-0.88 draft measurement 2)
Wingspan: 7-7
Standing Reach: 9-5
Hand Length: 11"
Hand Spread: 9"
Playing Weight:
280 - Freshman LSU Season
285 - Sophomore LSU Season
294 - Final LSU Season
301 - 1992 draft measurement 1
303 - 1992 draft measurement 2
315 - early career
325 - early-mid career
350 - mid-late career
368 - maximum (out of shape after an injury)
Shoes: U.S. size 22

Bill Russell:
Billed Information:
NCAA: 6-10
Olympics: 6-10
Boston Celtics: 6-9, 215
Basketball Reference: 6-9, 215
NBA : 6-10, 220

Actual Measurements:
Height: 6-10 (likely a rounded number)
Wingspan:7-4
Hand Length:10.5"
Playing Weight:
215 - rookie
222 - early career
230 - late career
240 - last season
Shoes: U.S. size 14

Elvin Hayes:
Billed Information:
NCAA: 6-8
Basketball Reference: 6-9, 235
NBA : 6-9, 235

Actual Measurements:
Height: 6-9.5 (6-8.5 UCLA age 19, 6-9.5 UCLA age 21)
Wingspan:7-2
Playing Weight:
240 - Junior NCAA season
235 - early NBA career
240 - majority of NBA career
Shoes: U.S. size 16

Dwight Howard:
Billed Information:
NBA (rookie): 6-11, 240
NBA (current): 6-11, 265
Basketball Reference: 6-11, 240

Actual Measurements:
Height: 6-9 (2004 draft at age 19)
Wingspan: 7-4.5
Standing Reach: 9-3.5
Playing Weight:
240 - 2004 draft measurement
265 - 3rd season weight
280 - 7th season weight
Shoes: U.S. size 18

Lebron James:
Billed Information:
NBA (rookie): 6-8, 240
NBA (current): 6-8, 250
Basketball Reference: 6-8, 240

Actual Measurements:
Height: 6-7.25 (2003 draft at age 18)
Wingspan: 7-0.25
Standing Reach: 8-10.25
Hand Length: 9"
Hand Spread: 9.25"
Playing Weight:
245 - 2003 draft measurement
266 - 9th season weight
Shoes: U.S. size 15



Discuss, compare with modern draft data:
www.draftexpress.com/measurements


:cheers:


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*Will Be Updated Periodically*

KG215 03-26-2012 04:54 PM

Re: Russell, Chamberlain, Kareem - How did they measure up?:
 
So Russell is essentially Kevin Durant in terms of height, weight, and wingspan, right?

Kareem and Thabeet have similar measurements. Kareem was measured at 7'1.625" and weighed in the 230-265 range with a 7'5" wingspan. Thabeet was measured at 7'1.25", weighed 265 pounds and has 7'6.25" wingspan. Obviously those aren't identical but it was the closest I saw when trying to find someone who compared in all three categories.

Looks like Shaq (7'1" 303 and 7'7" wingspan) was pretty close to Wilt just a little heavier.

Jotaro Durant 03-26-2012 04:56 PM

Re: Kareem, Wilt, Bill Russell - Detailed Player Measurements
 
what about the only size that matter:milton




their hands

CavaliersFTW 03-26-2012 05:04 PM

Re: Russell, Chamberlain, Kareem - How did they measure up?:
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by KG215
So Russell is essentially Kevin Durant in terms of height, weight, and wingspan, right?


Wingspan is about the same but I'd bet money Russell is the taller of the two (not by much though). Durant measured 6'9 in the draft, same height as Dwight Howard (same wingspan too). Andre Iguadala met Bill Russell and commented that he was surprised at Russell's size, he said Russell is taller than Dwight Howard. Durant could have grown, but I think his lankyness, and the fact that he chose to be listed barefoot (where as everyone else has an inflated list height) throws peoples judgement off about his actual height. If he grew a full inch i'd be surprised, I wouldn't be surprised if he grew some sort of fractions of an inch though, he was what, 19 in the draft?

CavaliersFTW 03-26-2012 05:10 PM

Re: Russell, Chamberlain, Kareem - How did they measure up?:
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by KG215
So Russell is essentially Kevin Durant in terms of height, weight, and wingspan, right?

Kareem and Thabeet have similar measurements. Kareem was measured at 7'1.625" and weighed in the 230-265 range with a 7'5" wingspan. Thabeet was measured at 7'1.25", weighed 265 pounds and has 7'6.25" wingspan. Obviously those aren't identical but it was the closest I saw when trying to find someone who compared in all three categories.

Looks like Shaq (7'1" 303 and 7'7" wingspan) was pretty close to Wilt just a little heavier.


I should point out data that is from longer than 5-8 years ago is subject to being rounded on draftexpress.com. Shaq's height at the actual time of the draft was measured twice. Once at 7-0.63 and a 2nd time at 7-0.88. They rounded that up to 7-1. That's splitting hairs though, but I figured I'd give the precise number seeing as how I used such decimals for Kareem and Wilt lol. Shaq was the next Wilt in terms of freakish size + freakish agility/strength

KG215 03-26-2012 05:12 PM

Re: Russell, Chamberlain, Kareem - How did they measure up?:
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CavaliersFTW
Wingspan is about the same but I'd bet money Russell is the taller of the two (not by much though). Durant measured 6'9 in the draft, same height as Dwight Howard (same wingspan too). Andre Iguadala met Bill Russell and commented that he was surprised at Russell's size, he said Russell is taller than Dwight Howard. Durant could have grown, but I think his lankyness, and the fact that he chose to be listed barefoot (where as everyone else has an inflated list height) throws peoples judgement off about his actual height. If he grew a full inch i'd be surprised, I wouldn't be surprised if he grew some sort of fractions of an inch though, he was what, 19 in the draft?


I remember seeing Russell standing next to KG a few times at various Celtic games and what not (think it was the year they won the championship) and thought Russell looked like he might be just as tall as KG. Of course it's hard to judge something like that on TV because of camera angles and what not.

But yeah, KD was 19 when he got drafted. He might be close to 6'10" barefoot and 6'11"ish in shoes.

Rake2204 03-26-2012 05:12 PM

Re: Kareem, Wilt, Bill Russell - Detailed Player Measurements
 
Is there a way you could throw your sources out there for each measurement? As in, where did you find the NCAA measurements, Olympics, etc.? I find this topic to be potentially interesting, I just want to know how legitimate the numbers are.

CavaliersFTW 03-26-2012 05:15 PM

Re: Kareem, Wilt, Bill Russell - Detailed Player Measurements
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rake2204
Is there a way you could throw your sources out there for each measurement? As in, where did you find the NCAA measurements, Olympics, etc.? I find this topic to be potentially interesting, I just want to know how legitimate the numbers are.


Yes as stated in the post I will soon - I'm at work right now lol, my sources are bookmarked or stored on my hdd at home - I'll upload and link sources for all the measurements and "billed" information.

CavaliersFTW 03-26-2012 05:19 PM

Re: Kareem, Wilt, Bill Russell - Detailed Player Measurements
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jotaro Durant
what about the only size that matter:milton




their hands


:lol

Well, I have Wilt's hand size, and part of Russell's hand size included in the measurements. Kareem's don't exist as far as I know, so maybe he was ashamed...

KG215 03-26-2012 05:20 PM

Re: Russell, Chamberlain, Kareem - How did they measure up?:
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CavaliersFTW
I should point out data that is from longer than 5-8 years ago is subject to being rounded on draftexpress.com. Shaq's height at the actual time of the draft was measured twice. Once at 7-0.63 and a 2nd time at 7-0.88. They rounded that up to 7-1. That's splitting hairs though, but I figured I'd give the precise number seeing as how I used such decimals for Kareem and Wilt lol. Shaq was the next Wilt in terms of freakish size + freakish agility/strength


I'm only 24 so I vaguely remember Shaq's Orlando years but I remember enough to know he was an athletic freak for someone his size. I'm not saying he was as athletically freakish as Wilt but, for a 7'1" 300 pound dude, Shaq was surprisingly quick and agile to go along with some nice hops when he was younger. I think he tends to get remember more for his Lakers years where he relied on his immense size and strength to just back his man down in the post.

CavaliersFTW 03-26-2012 05:25 PM

Re: Russell, Chamberlain, Kareem - How did they measure up?:
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by KG215
I'm only 24 so I vaguely remember Shaq's Orlando years but I remember enough to know he was an athletic freak for someone his size. I'm not saying he was as athletically freakish as Wilt but, for a 7'1" 300 pound dude, Shaq was surprisingly quick and agile to go along with some nice hops when he was younger. I think he tends to get remember more for his Lakers years where he relied on his immense size and strength to just back his man down in the post.


Shaq was def Wilt-esq in terms of his mobility when he was 300 and under - prob didn't have the stamina, but he had that same "moves like he's a normal sized person" on a scary-sized body. He did get too heavy afterward his early Orlando years but watch footage of his NCAA and rookie season - remarkably gifted Wilt-esq athleticism+size combo.

Psileas 03-26-2012 05:27 PM

Re: Kareem, Wilt, Bill Russell - Detailed Player Measurements
 
So, Russell's hand length was actually 1 inch bigger than Wilt's? That's intersting to know. I know Russell had long hands, but would estimate to be vice-versa (around 1 inch advantage for Wilt).

BlueandGold 03-26-2012 05:28 PM

Re: Russell, Chamberlain, Kareem - How did they measure up?:
 
So Wilt had the highest wing-span ever? I can't think of anyone else who would be close to that except maybe Ralph Sampson or some obscure draft bust player who ended up riding the bench/getting played out of the league.

CavaliersFTW 03-26-2012 05:31 PM

Re: Kareem, Wilt, Bill Russell - Detailed Player Measurements
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Psileas
So, Russell's hand length was actually 1 inch bigger than Wilt's? That's intersting to know. I know Russell had long hands, but would estimate to be vice-versa (around 1 inch advantage for Wilt).


I was very surprised at his hand length too, but inversely Wilt's hands were exceptionally wide. Based on footage it looks like Wilt could palm the ball better than just about anyone, including Russell

CavaliersFTW 03-26-2012 05:33 PM

Re: Russell, Chamberlain, Kareem - How did they measure up?:
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueandGold
So Wilt had the highest wing-span ever? I can't think of anyone else who would be close to that except maybe Ralph Sampson or some obscure draft bust player who ended up riding the bench/getting played out of the league.


Sampson is allegedly only about 7'1 and change in height, based on other people who played against him from that era - and I don't believe his wingspan ever stood out. Manute Bol had a wider wingspan though, can't remember what number it was but I think it was close to 8 feet


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