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Jasi 05-02-2012 09:45 AM

2012/2013 and beyond: how can the Knicks improve?
 
This thread stems from a debate on the Carmelo Anthony thread. We were talking about which team (Nuggets or Knicks) is better off looking at the future seasons.
But let's forget Denver and focus on our team.

Unless LeBron does an even bigger choke job than he's used to, we are out of the playoffs again at the 1st round.
And deservedly so. Maybe we could have had a better seeding, had Pringles resigned earlier, and make it to the 2nd round. Not more than that.

So... How can we improve and become actual title contenders, given our current situation?
If you're the GM, what do you do in order to build a legit contender, starting from what we have now?

Bear in mind, we have three contracts that account for 52 million and growing.
No one else is guaranteed for next season except Shumpert and Toney (:facepalm ).

bluechox2 05-02-2012 10:30 AM

Re: 2012/2013 and beyond: how can the Knicks improve?
 
knicks know how to bring out the best in each other!

franchize 05-02-2012 10:36 AM

Re: 2012/2013 and beyond: how can the Knicks improve?
 
1. Find a coach and stick with him- Whether that be Woodson or someone else, let's get a guy in here who we can trust for the long term. I don't want Phil Jackson because he'll bail if we don't win in our 1st year. Same too with Jerry Sloan most likely. Those guys have their legacies in tact and won't want to stay if we don't come out guns blazing from the start.

2. Get a point guard- This really should be #1. I like Lin but I'm not sold he's our long term solution as a starter. I think he's excellent off the bench. I believe it was Scooter who suggested Dragic. I like him and would be fine with him as our starter. I'd rather try to see if Houston goes after him hard in FA and try to snatch Kyle Lowry off their hands instead. He is a little more under control and has become an excellent defender. Him and Shumpert in the backcourt could be scary good defensively.

3. Get some REAL bench help!- Not stop gap solutions. I want guys that can and will contribute for years to come. I don't know if we have a 2nd round pick but these guys are fairly easy to come by. Allan Houston do your job! Comb the D-League. Look overseas at some guys who resorted to that route. Whatever you have to do. So help me if Mike Bibby is in a Knicks jersey next year I'm going to go crazy! :rant We need depth in pretty much every position.

4. Figure out Amare's future.- We've dished out the blame to a number of players but at the end of the day, it always comes back to can ____ *insert player* play with Amare. Do you want him here? Should he go? We need to decide that and move forward. I'm fine either way but I want us to be sold on our decision. As with the coaching situation, I want guys to be able to do their job. I don't want to continue this trend of guys being here and having to look over their shoulders.

5. Ditch the dead weight!- This ties in with #3. Harrelson, Bibby, Gadzuric, Douglas clearly can't play. I'm content with letting Baron and Fields go as well. Try your HARDEST to trade Toney Douglas; even if it's for money. Trade toney for whoever owns the equivalent of the Mr Irrelevant pick. If Landry Fields re-signs for anything more than say the vet min, I'd be pissed. Same with Baron. I don't like Jeffries as we all know, but I will say if we bring him back for the minimum, I won't go crazy like I did last year. (:coleman: shut up Knickscity lol).

6.Don't overspend for ANYONE!!!- Under no circumstances should we throw money to retain ANYBODY on this current roster. This includes not blowing our load on Jeremy Lin.Hopefully JR picks up his player option. I'd liek to bring back Smith,Lin and Novak but I'm not breaking the bank.
If I'm not mistaken, our guaranteeds for next year are:
Melo
Amare
Shump
Tyson
Douglas (hopefully we can trade him)
Jordan

7. Go youth instead of name- I once went back and looked at old Knicks roster on my lunch break. It's astonishing how many careers we tried to resurrect. I don't wanna hear it this year! Vet minimum contract DO hurt your team! Every vet min bum you signed could have been a league min younger player who is hungry to prove they can play. If a guy can't play, don't sign him. I don't care about his "experience." There's no proof that Bibby has done anything to "improve our locker room" or "add leadership."
Bibby could have been John Lucas
Baron could have been a guy like Cartier Martin
Jeffries could have been Ivan Johnson

8. Go back to some variation of these jerseys!- I'm sorry but I don't like the black in our jerseys anymore. We need to be Blue, Orange and White once again. If you wanna add black...get an alternate jersey!

The Ownage 05-02-2012 06:12 PM

Re: 2012/2013 and beyond: how can the Knicks improve?
 
I agree with Lowry. He's the perfect point guard for this teams situation. I think he would compliment with Carmelo very nicely but what can we throw at Houston for them to make a deal?

And I'm very intrigued by the idea of trading Amare for Varejao + 1/2 fillers. Maybe even a pick depending on how much they value amare.

Tyson can become the main PnR player without getting in Carmelo's way and Varejao is like a Joakim Noah-lite. Cleveland will have Irving/Top 5 pick/Amare going forward so I don't see many reasons why they would want to not consider a trade like that.

JR Smith can leave if he likes. Never wanted him in the first place and he's just too streaky to be kept in the squad. We can target players like Delonte West, Barbosa, Foye, G. Green in the coming free agent to replace him.

And stick a gun up Fields' face and tell him to go back to his old shooting form. Or else :coleman:

Nickel06 05-02-2012 06:41 PM

Re: 2012/2013 and beyond: how can the Knicks improve?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by The Ownage
I agree with Lowry. He's the perfect point guard for this teams situation. I think he would compliment with Carmelo very nicely but what can we throw at Houston for them to make a deal?

And I'm very intrigued by the idea of trading Amare for Varejao + 1/2 fillers. Maybe even a pick depending on how much they value amare.

Tyson can become the main PnR player without getting in Carmelo's way and Varejao is like a Joakim Noah-lite. Cleveland will have Irving/Top 5 pick/Amare going forward so I don't see many reasons why they would want to not consider a trade like that.

JR Smith can leave if he likes. Never wanted him in the first place and he's just too streaky to be kept in the squad. We can target players like Delonte West, Barbosa, Foye, G. Green in the coming free agent to replace him.

And stick a gun up Fields' face and tell him to go back to his old shooting form. Or else :coleman:


Why the freaking hell would Cleveland do this??? Yea, great, a rebuilding project, and they are gonna sink 20 mil a year on a player who may very well be out of the league soon??? Yea Brilliant!!! Face it, Stoudemire is stuck here, as is most of this team save for a few minor tweaks. Have fun with it too, cus as long as theres the 3 in miami, chicago is what they are, the Knicks will never sniff playoff success, and this is coming from a die hard Knicks fan. Right now, we are heading right back the pre Walsh days, of imovable contracts and a mediocre at best basketball team.

franchize 05-02-2012 10:49 PM

Re: 2012/2013 and beyond: how can the Knicks improve?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by The Ownage
I agree with Lowry. He's the perfect point guard for this teams situation. I think he would compliment with Carmelo very nicely but what can we throw at Houston for them to make a deal?

And I'm very intrigued by the idea of trading Amare for Varejao + 1/2 fillers. Maybe even a pick depending on how much they value amare.

Tyson can become the main PnR player without getting in Carmelo's way and Varejao is like a Joakim Noah-lite. Cleveland will have Irving/Top 5 pick/Amare going forward so I don't see many reasons why they would want to not consider a trade like that.

JR Smith can leave if he likes. Never wanted him in the first place and he's just too streaky to be kept in the squad. We can target players like Delonte West, Barbosa, Foye, G. Green in the coming free agent to replace him.

And stick a gun up Fields' face and tell him to go back to his old shooting form. Or else :coleman:

If we traded Amare for Varejao I would stop watching the Knicks immediately. Literally one of the most overpaid players in the league. Hes like a high paid Robin Lopez.

knickballer 05-02-2012 11:52 PM

Re: 2012/2013 and beyond: how can the Knicks improve?
 
The Knicks aren't fixable. We have some good pieces but with Carmelo Anthony as our "franchise" player we will never finish higher than the 7th seed, maybe 6th seed if we have an amazing season for our standards.

Rameek 05-03-2012 12:15 AM

Re: 2012/2013 and beyond: how can the Knicks improve?
 
I agree with you Franchize the Knicks need a coach.

I am confused about the youth part
Melo 27
Amare 29
Shump 21
Tyson 29
Douglas 26
Jordan 25
Harrellson 23
Smith 26 (player option)

Lin 23 (will be back)

I dont know how much younger they can really get. I wish they had some good veteran leadership besides Chandler. It would be nice if they could have some draft picks.

I guess the Knicks could use another PG, a legit PF/C, a legit SF. Shump and JR are good SG's with some decent SF ability.


el gringos 05-03-2012 02:26 AM

Re: 2012/2013 and beyond: how can the Knicks improve?
 
Stop being so worried- knicks future is bright- all you have to do is build AROUND Carmelo- nobody has ever tried it, it will work

Scoooter 05-03-2012 03:06 AM

Re: 2012/2013 and beyond: how can the Knicks improve?
 
Andrea Bargnagni = Championship. Right gringos?

Clutch 05-03-2012 03:23 AM

Re: 2012/2013 and beyond: how can the Knicks improve?
 
Melo,Amare and Tyson contracts expire after the 14-15 season.

Summer of 2015 here we come :rockon:

Scoooter 05-03-2012 03:33 AM

Re: 2012/2013 and beyond: how can the Knicks improve?
 
Nerlens Noel/Julius Randle frontcourt. :bowdown:

Clutch 05-03-2012 03:37 AM

Re: 2012/2013 and beyond: how can the Knicks improve?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Scoooter
Nerlens Noel/Julius Randle frontcourt. :bowdown:

I don't watch NCAA so these names are total unknowns for me. :confusedshrug:

Scoooter 05-03-2012 03:40 AM

Re: 2012/2013 and beyond: how can the Knicks improve?
 
Julius Randle is a 15-year-old (I think) who makes the, "What are they feeding these kids?" question more pressing than ever. And Nerlens Noel has awesome hair.


Clutch 05-03-2012 03:54 AM

Re: 2012/2013 and beyond: how can the Knicks improve?
 
Cool hair.

I hate the Celtics (I guess all of you do) but would anyone consider acquiring KG and somehow sending them Amare ?
Celtics get Amare to play pick and roll with Rondo while KG is a perfect fit on the Knicks.

Just imagine the defense of Lin/Shumpert/Melo/KG/Tyson :bowdown:

KG can stretch the floor too and is a good post player.


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