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DirtySanchez 06-26-2012 04:05 PM

Lakers off season thread
 
Can we keep all off season and trade talk in here...

What has happened...

Lakers made a run at Paul...got him only to lose him via Stern
Lakers had to trade LO for basically nothing IMO to Mavs
We keep Gasol
Lakers trade Fisher Luke etc. get Hill and Sessions
Bynum seems like a headcase
Mike Brown's offense SUCKS but Dee did get better
We all miss Phil
We get knocked out in the 2nd round for the 2nd year in a row

What we know

So free agency start July 1st...
NBA Draft soon Lakers do not have first round pick...
Lakers have the TPE from last years L.O. trade...
Sessions is a free agent...
Dwight and D-Will have the Lakers off their respective lists according to sources...
D-Will favors the Nets or Mavs...
Howard favors the Nets...
Buss and Mitch stated the Lakers are keeping the core three and will not make any bog moves....

What Laker fans Hope...

We get either Deron or Howard or both...
We trade Gasol to Rockets for Lowry, Scola, and fill in blank
We get Beasley for ?????
We make trade with Hawks for Smith and fill in blank
Kobe is still in prime shape
Bynum knees hold up and he gets his head straight
Gasol is gone...
Heard about rumor for Tyrke Evans
LO some how comes back to Lakers and plays like he didn't miss a step from 2011...


What realistically will more likely happen...

Lakers keep core Kobe, Bynum, Gasol
Lakers resign Sessions and Hill
Lakers make some sort of small trade/signing for young role bench player
If any big trade happen Gasol to???????????

So...that's where we are at...

Dictator 06-26-2012 04:59 PM

Re: Lakers off season thread
 
You think denver would do this?



Lawson
Kobe
Brewer/Peace
Harrington
Pau


And LA get Odom.

DirtySanchez 06-27-2012 02:22 PM

Re: Lakers off season thread
 
Quote:

Sources told ESPN.com on Tuesday that one team to express interest in Williams is the Los Angeles Lakers, who still have a trade exception big enough to absorb Williams' contract that they created when they dealt Odom to Dallas.

Mo Williams would be a great fit for our team! Helps spread the floor etc.
We need a three point shooter bad.

If we get him we can let go of Blake!!!

DirtySanchez 06-27-2012 02:23 PM

Re: Lakers off season thread
 
From Eric Pincus via tweet

Quote:

The primary advantage to Lakers taking Mo is his expiring contract - but then will he sulk if there's no extension?

DirtySanchez 06-27-2012 04:37 PM

Re: Lakers off season thread
 
Rockets no longer pursuing Pau.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/81...-bucks-move-12

Quote:

There has been speculation that the Rockets may be trying to use the picks to land Lakers big man Pau Gasol. The Rockets pursued him in December and thought they had a deal for Gasol as part of the larger Chris Paul deal to the Lakers that the NBA scuttled.

However, a league source told ESPN.com that the Rockets are no longer pursuing Gasol.

So I guess we shouldn't be thinking Lowry Scola and Martin...

DirtySanchez 06-27-2012 04:41 PM

Re: Lakers off season thread
 
http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/s...pick-pau-gasol

Quote:

The Los Angeles Lakers have been checking around the league this week to gauge Pau Gasol's trade value, according to sources briefed on the discussions.

Sources told ESPN.com that the Lakers have been contacting teams in an effort to acquire a top-10 pick in Thursday's draft. The Lakers also are seeking an established player along with the pick if they're to part with Gasol.

A deal was not imminent as of Wednesday afternoon.

DirtySanchez 06-27-2012 04:43 PM

Re: Lakers off season thread
 
Interesting read...

Quote:

Lakers executive VP Jim Buss said recently the Lakers would like to, and if motivated enough they can get it done. Here are three potential options:

Trade. Pau Gasol or Andrew Bynum could be part of a package returning a first-rounder. But for a team still in win-now mode, the question isn't how the Lakers get into the opening round, but how to do it and still get better next season. Doing both is tough if Gasol or Bynum heads out the door -- landing a pick likely means the package of seasoned players coming back isn't as strong -- and outside those two, there isn't another player on the Lakers' roster any sane executive would sacrifice a first-round pick to acquire. A trade pushing the Lakers back into Round 1 could certainly benefit the future, but that's a completely different conversation.
Traded Player Exception. A wild card could be the trade exception gained last season in the Lamar Odom deal. They still have it, dusty as it might be getting. As a mechanism used to acquire a first-rounder, it would likely require the Lakers to take back a contract they wouldn't otherwise want. Think Cleveland absorbing Luke Walton as the price of a pick in the Ramon Sessions deal. Would the Lakers do it? Probably not. They're trying to shed payroll, particularly superfluous money paid to players they wouldn't otherwise want. L.A. might take a player on a short contract capable of filling a need next season (especially if it meant getting back into the first round), but that hypothetical player sounds useful. Why would another squad surrender that sort of asset and a pick for a TPE?
Buying a pick. This is the most straightforward option. As ESPN LA's Dave McMenamin reminded me this week, teams can spend up to $3 million to buy a pick. The Lakers used a little of their allotment in the Sessions deal last year, but still have a substantial amount of that money left, and it might be enough to get something done. As a point of reference, the Lakers sold the 29th pick in the '09 draft to New York for $3 million on the nose, meaning a move like this probably nets nothing higher than the 25-30 range, which would mean contractual obligations at least in the neighborhood of $1.8 mil over two years. (Interestingly, many teams value high second-rounders more, because the same caliber player might be available, but wouldn't be locked into a guaranteed deal.)


DirtySanchez 06-27-2012 05:18 PM

Re: Lakers off season thread
 
Gasol for Josh Smith?!?!?!?!

Quote:

According to Mike Bresnahan of the LA Times, the team that originally drafted Pau Gasol, Atlanta Hawks, inquired about his services shortly after the ending of the series versus the Oklahoma City Thunder.

In the report, the Lakers would be receiving Josh Smith, who at 6’9″ would be much shorter, but if you’ve seen Smith play, you know he more than makes up for it with his crazy athleticism.

Remember Dwight and Smith are good friends.

NBA2k-Monster23 06-27-2012 09:11 PM

Re: Lakers off season thread
 
I think we end up getting Mo Williams, I also think Pau ends up traded for Josh Smith or to one of the teams in the lottery.

I really just hope we trade Pau and get something good back in return.

lakerfreak 06-27-2012 09:17 PM

Re: Lakers off season thread
 
Using Williams for his expirer?

Really?

The one position that the lakers need filled desperately is the one they're using as an expirer.

If the lakers want to save money, trade Pau for a pick, or don't trade him and let him walk. He's our best bet as a money saver by year 2014 when the lakers start getting raped financially, if not already.

So many of these trade ideas just seem so penalizing in the future.

DirtySanchez 06-28-2012 12:05 AM

Re: Lakers off season thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by lakerfreak
Using Williams for his expirer?

Really?

The one position that the lakers need filled desperately is the one they're using as an expirer.

If the lakers want to save money, trade Pau for a pick, or don't trade him and let him walk. He's our best bet as a money saver by year 2014 when the lakers start getting raped financially, if not already.

So many of these trade ideas just seem so penalizing in the future.

Explain the future....what do you see the Lakers doing? Build through the draft etc. we have never been that type if team.

tamaraw08 06-28-2012 02:35 AM

Re: Lakers off season thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by lakerfreak
Using Williams for his expirer?

Really?

The one position that the lakers need filled desperately is the one they're using as an expirer.

If the lakers want to save money, trade Pau for a pick, or don't trade him and let him walk. He's our best bet as a money saver by year 2014 when the lakers start getting raped financially, if not already.

So many of these trade ideas just seem so penalizing in the future.


Acquiring Mo Williams make perfect sense for me but I don't like getting rid of Pau without getting atleast a good and PROVEN PF in return. I don't mind Scola or Josh Smith or even a FOCUSSED Odom.

lakerfreak 06-28-2012 03:41 AM

Re: Lakers off season thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DirtySanchez
Explain the future....what do you see the Lakers doing? Build through the draft etc. we have never been that type if team.


They've never been that type of team with Jerry Buss runnin the show. Now those days are gone. Jim Buss is now the head. We still have yet to see how he will run things and this off-season will tell us alot about what to expect from him. We know he likes getting big name superstars on the team.

My issue is I just feel that they aren't addressing the proper needs. All we needed last year was to add a PG, and they went all out to try and get dwight and cp3. Since then everything has sort of went down hill with as far as leverage goes. Odom is gone, Pau is being dangled, Kobe is aging, we can't find a top 20 point guard to start, our bench is terrible.....

You see what I mean? I just feel like too much has been said and done. I would personally like to see an effort to rebuild, and to rebuild quickly. Trade away big contracts and get some future first rounders. Save enough to attract a superstar.

WhiteMamba 06-28-2012 07:02 PM

Re: Lakers off season thread
 
We need to do some serious work this off-season

idizzle 06-28-2012 07:53 PM

Re: Lakers off season thread
 
Mike Bresnahan: Lakers will give rookie PG Darius Morris a qualifying offer of about $940,000 making him a restricted FA. He's probably back next year. Twitter


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