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bigdaddybluesman 01-22-2007 07:12 AM

Who should start at PF and SF.
 
Looking at some of the stats it looks like the most effective players that should start at the forwards are Lee and Frye. Balkman should be your first guy off the bench then Jefferies and Rose who is needed to settle things down with his veteran presence. Here are some stats to prove my point, look at the amounts for the time playing. Jefferies has the second most time on the court but is next to last in the stats. I left out Q because I feel he is a 2.

Lee is the best player and Frye is suffering from a slow start or his stats would be better. He missed some games also. Jefferies is the least effective but he also missed a lot of games due to injury. The difference is Frye has a sweet jumper and rebounds, Jefferies does what exactly? Defensive specialist, I have seen Lee do a better job on the D against the same players, he shut down Artest and can paly the 2. If he is having a problem with the more athletic SF's switch Q and rotate players and assignments.

Just doubling their numbers doesn't work. It's much more complex than that and beyond my knowledge of mathematics. But you could easily see who is the most efficient and effective with their minutes.


GMS Min asts blks Reb Pts

Lee 42 30.11 1.7 0.4 10.5 10.9 Averages a double double
Frye 32 26:30 0.7 0.8 5.7 10.5
Balkman 38 13:35 0.7 0.8 3.6 3.4
Jefferies 16 27.11 1.2 0.5 4.9 5.2
Rose 32 9:54 0.6 0.1 2.1 2.3

The glaring weakness with this whole group is the assists and blocks. I think that will improve with time together and working with the coaches. Balkman's stats are close to Jefferies yet he plays less than half the minutes...hmmmm.

brooklynchild155 01-22-2007 05:07 PM

i still think jeffries should start because of the intangibles he bring. i dont care if lee starts or not as long as he gets the minutes. cause when he gets the minutes he's goin to double double.

knickscity 01-22-2007 05:13 PM

I believe Jeffries has the JJ curse. He and jerome james started their Knick careers injured. I'm not that high him right now. I also don't want Lee to start either. Lee plays 30 minutes off the bench already and his production is stellar. He couldn't possibly do more for us. Balkman needs to get some run. Now thats who should start at small forward. Of course Frye at power forward.

insidehoops 01-22-2007 08:05 PM

David Lee should get more minutes, and Jared Jeffries should be used to fill in some blanks as a bench reserve

knickscity 01-23-2007 12:01 AM

Man what do we have to do to get Mardy some run???? Marbs hobbling around and there is a defense first PG sitting on the bench. We didn't try to win this one no way, he should have got some run

ChanningShamgod 01-23-2007 02:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by insidehoops
David Lee should get more minutes, and Jared Jeffries should be used to fill in some blanks as a bench reserve


Are you nuts? Do you guys actually watch basketball? Lee can't guard Larry Johnson now. He's a smart player who doesn't get distracted by action on the court and then gets in good position to rebound, but he's way too slow to guard a proper 3 and way too small to guard a proper 4. The Knicks desperately need Ared Effries on the court because with Curry already on the court they are slow and can't play defense.

PS - His name is now Ared Effries because he has no J.

shakespeare 01-23-2007 11:05 AM

I wanna say that Q and Frye should start at small and power forward but logic tells me that Q and Lee should be starting.

LouV 01-23-2007 10:54 PM

I love that. Ared Effries.

No J.

Good one Shamgod.

While we're at it is your user name saying something about Channing Frye being perhaps not as good as people were saying he was last year?

He certainly doesn't look like a future star big time player to me. Smart. Good jumper. But not a big time, go-to guy.

oldknickfan 01-24-2007 12:24 PM

IMHO: Their best lineup is Lee and Q at forward, Crawford and Marbury at guard once Stephon is OK and Curry at center.

Jeffries is a dud and Frye is not deemed good enough to play fourth quarter.

shafir 01-24-2007 06:04 PM

PG-Marbs
SG-Q
SF-Jeffries
PF-Lee
C-Curry
Putting Q at small forward handicaps us defensively, Lee and Effries(nice one) complement Curry well, and im comfortable with Craw coming off the bench.

knickscity 01-24-2007 06:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChanningShamgod
Are you nuts? Do you guys actually watch basketball? Lee can't guard Larry Johnson now. He's a smart player who doesn't get distracted by action on the court and then gets in good position to rebound, but he's way too slow to guard a proper 3 and way too small to guard a proper 4. The Knicks desperately need Ared Effries on the court because with Curry already on the court they are slow and can't play defense.

PS - His name is now Ared Effries because he has no J.


Not Jefferies. He has the JJ curse. I'm serious. His injury involved his wrist which was nowhere from the waist down so why is his game so terrible. His defense so far has been awful. He should be getting more rebounds at least until Lee comes in. Balkman is the sleeper here. When he played in the beginning of the season he was actually pretty good. Played D ran with the break and looks to dunk first. One 3 point attemp per game. He was good. He should start at small forward, due to his quickness, or the fact that his opponent think he looks slow, but he isn't. Lee plays 30 minutes a game and he knows his role. No need to mess with that. Q is our shooting guard. Period. I really and I mean really want Ray Allen bad. For Crawford and Nate that deal could get done. Let me call Zeke and see if Dolan will let him do it.

HaNdLe ThE RoCk 01-25-2007 11:59 AM

Pg- Marbury
sg- Crawford
sf- Q Rich
pf- Lee
C- Curry

oldknickfan 01-25-2007 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HaNdLe ThE RoCk
Pg- Marbury
sg- Crawford
sf- Q Rich
pf- Lee
C- Curry


Yes. That's the best lineup!

However, Marbury and Curry are injured now.


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