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dunksby 07-31-2012 03:43 PM

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Report: Saudi intelligence chief murdered by Syrian hit men

By Eric Morales
Jul 31, 2012

Riyadh - The silence is deafening in international circles as concern grows that Saudi Intelligence chief Prince Bandar Bin Sultan was the victim of an assassination.


If reports concerning the death of Prince Bandar Bin Sultan are true it could see the conflict in Syria spread beyond its borders and into the wider region. The 63-year-old prince, the son of the late Crown Prince Sultan bin Abdulaziz, was appointed to head up Saudi Intelligence nearly two weeks ago. DEBKAfile a Jerusalem based website which covers terrorism and counter-intelligence news first reported the alleged death of Prince Bandar last Friday.
According to the DEBKAfile report, the Saudi government has declared a black out on the incident. However, the only 'confirmation' of an attack that killed Prince Bandar Bin Sultan was reported by the Tehran Times which quoted a story from the non-profit Paris based Voltaire Network which cited unofficial sources who stated Monday that Prince Bandar had been killed in retaliation for the Damascus bombing which saw President Assad lose key members of his inner circle.
DEBKAfile went on to speculate that the attack could not have been carried out by Syrian intelligence which according to their analysis lack the ability to carry out an attack on a Saudi royal, however the Israeli website alleged that Iran most likely was the mastermind and perpetrator of the attack, which has not been officially confirmed. The Jerusalem based website also echoed other analysts suspicions that Prince Bandar was promoted due to his involvement in the assassination of Assad's brother-in-law and Syrian Deputy Defense Minister Assef Shawkat as well as Defense Minister Dawoud Rajiha and two other security officials.
As if the story was not already convoluted the Tehran Times reported Monday, July 30th that the U.S. Justice Department had reopened an investigation into bribery allegations against the Saudi Prince, the report went on to say that Prince Bandar "has denied the bribery allegations categorically, claiming he acted lawfully at all times." However, Prince Bandar was not directly quoted.
http://www.digitaljournal.com/articl...#ixzz22EMU82JP

dunksby 07-31-2012 07:05 PM

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http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/3686...-spy-chief.htm

Prince Bandar Bin Sultan: Is The Saudi Spy Chief Dead Or Alive?

By STAFF REPORTER: Subscribe to Staff's RSS feed
July 31, 2012 8:52 AM EDT
Unconfirmed reports are emerging from the Middle East and Europe that Saudi Arabia’s intelligence chief Prince Bandar bin Sultan bin Abdulaziz Al Saud has been assassinated.
The Voltaire Network of Paris reported that Bandar was killed in a bomb attack on July 26. He was apparently murdered by Syrian operatives in retaliation for his alleged role in the July 18 bombing in Damascus which killed four of President Bashar al-Assad’s inner circle, including Defense Minister Dawoud Rajiha and his deputy Assef Shawkat.


However, neither Saudi nor Syrian sources have confirmed the alleged assassination.
The Prince was a familiar figure in the U.S. since he served as Saudi ambassador to the US from 1983 until 2005. He was appointed Saudi intelligence chief earlier this month, reportedly a reward for having orchestrated the Damascus attack.
Saudis trying hard to put a lid on it but it seems like they bombed his office in the intelligence HQ and blew him up.

BrickingStar 07-31-2012 07:09 PM

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:applause:

Nick Young 07-31-2012 07:17 PM

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if they can't even get along with eachother they got no hope against Israel:facepalm

GOBB 07-31-2012 07:29 PM

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video or do not care. I repeat video or do not care.

KevinNYC 07-31-2012 07:40 PM

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I would be very wary of a DEBKAfile report until there is other confirmation. They have a very long history of posting rumors as fact

But, this would be a big, big deal if true. This was the Bandar who was incredibly close to the Bush family and tons of US officials. He was very much in favor of taking out Saddam. It could be that the Bath party in Syria might feel it's losing the war and that it should take some revenge while it can.

Other news reports say he has been in recent weeks at "heart of the US-Saudi axis to the Syrian Rebels."

dunksby 07-31-2012 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by KevinNYC
I would be very wary of a DEBKAfile report until there is other confirmation. They have a very long history of posting rumors as fact

But, this would be a big, big deal if true. This was the Bandar who was incredibly close to the Bush family and tons of US officials. He was very much in favor of taking out Saddam. It could be that the Bath party in Syria might feel it's losing the war and that it should take some revenge while it can.

Other news reports say he has been in recent weeks at "heart of the US-Saudi axis to the Syrian Rebels."

Yea but the thing is if the news is true I would not let it out immediately either.

IcanzIIravor 07-31-2012 08:29 PM

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I'll wait until there is better info before I give my thoughts.

Derka 07-31-2012 09:20 PM

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Yikes. Dude was a big player in the region if this can be confirmed.

dunksby 08-02-2012 03:17 AM

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Is it better to live or to die? That was the question many believe Shakespeare was truly asking when he wrote the famous line “To be or not to be, that is the question” in his play Hamlet. It’s an interesting question to ask oneself from time to time, especially in today’s day and age. It is a question many journalists are contemplating when it comes to reporting this week’s rumored assassination of Saudi Arabia’s newly appointed intelligence chief, Prince Bandar bin Sultan.

On July 18th, a deadly bombing in Damascus unfolded leaving at least four high-profile Syrian security officials killed. Two of those killed in the attack were Syrian Defense Minister Dawoud Rajiha and his deputy Assef Shawkat. Shawkat was also President Assad's brother-in-law. Iranian and Syrian officials believe Prince Bandar was one of the key planners behind the attack.

A day later, on July 19th, Prince Bandar bin Sultan, son of the late crown prince Sultan, was named Director of Saudi Intelligence through a direct appointment by King Abdullah. If he was truly behind the July 18th attack in Damascus, was his appointment some type of reward by King Abdullah? Many believe so.

Immediately after the July 18th explosion that killed many high ranking Syrian officials, Syrian Television quoted the Syrian government as saying they will hunt down whoever was responsible for the attack wherever they may be. Did this mean they would go so far as hunt down Saudi Arabia's chief of intelligence and assassinate him?

On July 23rd, four days after the appointment of Bandar, Saudi General Intelligence headquarters in Riyadh was hit by a bomb blast killing his deputy, Mashaal al-Qarni. Many believe the attack was orchestrated by Iran in retaliation for the July 18th attack in Damascus.

On July 31st, just eight days after Prince Bandar’s appointment as Saudi Arabia's intelligence chief, the Paris-based Voltaire Network, an international non-profit organization, reported that Prince Bandar was assassinated.

Only a small handful of media outlets have published reports about this alarming event. Some of those international media organizations include the Tehran Times and DEBKA. Both media outlets are often observed as propaganda mechanisms for Iran and Israel. Could they be reporting this as news just to lure Saudi Arabia into a devastating conflict? Possibly.

So, why have so few reported on this significant event? A timeline of events exists, a pattern of activities can be observed, and some associations have been identified. But even with these three fundamentals that can be easily incorporated into intelligence analysis, there are still too many missing pieces of this puzzle to build the full picture.

Many inferences can be made. One key inference would be the most obvious. World War I was initiated because of the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand and in today’s day and age no one wants to let the cat out of the bag claiming a successful assassination of one of Saudi Arabia’s top government officials was killed. It could start World War III. That is, if we aren’t already fighting the third world war.

Reporting timely and accurate news coverage has become more and more difficult these days. Technology is a means to saturate masses of information to the public and oftentimes that information is just purely false. And in many regards, we have become a world filled with rumors.

While the assassination of Prince Bandar bin Sultan may or may not be true, a question must be asked by journalists. Do they want “to be or not to be?” Do they want to risk their credibility by putting out information that may turn out not to be true or do they want to take that risk and hope their coverage turns out accurate to beat the competition.

Either way, this news of rumor is a significant event. If it turns out to be true, which many sources throughout the Middle East have claimed it not to be, make no mistake that Saudi Arabia will retaliate and likely spark a war between the Shia and Sunni divide. If that happens, Shakespeare’s soliloquy needs to be thoroughly debated among nation state leaders as we will all, sooner or later, need to take a side in the fight. And while many believe one of those two nations is an ally to the West, truth be told, neither side is very trustworthy.
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Kerry Patton served in the U.S. Defense and Justice departments, and as a contractor within the Homeland Security and State departments. He has worked in South America, Africa, the Middle East, Asia and Europe, focusing on intelligence and interviewing current and former terrorists, including members of the Taliban. His upcoming book, "Sociocultural Intelligence: The New Discipline of Intelligence Studies," is due out in June 2010. Currently, Mr. Patton teaches for Henley Putnam University. He is also a public speaker and available for speaking engagements.
http://www.examiner.com/article/to-b...-assassination

KevinNYC 08-02-2012 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by dunksby


It's been 3 days now and the story has still not been touched by any legitimate media outlets.

There is, however, a conspiracy theory already up on Infowars.com saying that America was behind his death.

dunksby 08-02-2012 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by KevinNYC
It's been 3 days now and the story has still not been touched by any legitimate media outlets.

There is, however, a conspiracy theory already up on Infowars.com saying that America was behind his death.

What is sure is that there was a bombing in his office and that his second in command is dead, what remains to be confirmed is Bandar's death.

KevinNYC 08-02-2012 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by dunksby
What is sure is that there was a bombing in his office and that his second in command is dead, what remains to be confirmed is Bandar's death.


Can you point me to a legitimate news organization that has said this?

KevinNYC 08-02-2012 11:39 AM

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The DEBKAfile quoting the Tehran Times quoted the Voltaire network is not in any way a reliable chain of information.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voltaire_Network

dunksby 08-03-2012 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by KevinNYC
The DEBKAfile quoting the Tehran Times quoted the Voltaire network is not in any way a reliable chain of information.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voltaire_Network

It seems like Tehran Times had quoted a Yemeni news agency (Al-Fajr News) claiming the deputy head of Saudi Intelligence had died in a blast in their HQ on the 22nd- the bombing and the death of the deputy are confirmed. Voltaire days later reports this incident but looks like they deduced that Bandar was the real target and his absence meant he had died too so they reported his assassination.
While all the major news agencies are focusing on the Olympics I don't think we will see more reports on the issue from them which is just what Saudis want as they have been silent over this issue and have not yet spoken on this matter. Bandar in my opinion is 99.999999% dead else he would have made an appearance. We know there was a bomb blast in their HQ and that his deputy was killed in it so it's not a stretch really considering how efficient governments in the region are in covering shit up since they basically control any news that is let out.


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