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kennethgriffin 08-22-2012 12:47 PM

are the people who voted shaq the 7th best player ever hypocrites?
 
this is how the average debate with an ISH poster usually goes

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what makes shaq better than kobe for the 7th best player all time?


= "MOST DOMINANT EVER YO! NO ONE MATCHES HIS PEAK PLAY"


then why isnt he ranked #1 all time. whyd you rank jordan/wilt/bird/kareem/russell/magic ahead of him?

= "BECAUSE THEIR CAREERS ARE BETTER THAN SHAQS"


shaqs career is better than wilts


= "BECAUSE WILT IS THE MOST DOMINANT EVER!"


i thought shaq was the MDE?


= "HE IS!.... WHEN COMPARED TO KOBE HE IS!"


so what is it? careers or primes? is it MJ, Russell, Kareem #1,2,3 or is it Wilt/Shaq/Hakeem as the 1,2,3 best players ever. because you cant change the criteria based on how you want your favorite players to be ranked all time


= "WE DONT CHANGE!"



then you have to put kobe over wilt and shaq. because you put jordan, bird, magic, kareem, russell over wilt and shaq based on having better overall careers



= "SHAQ AND WILT WERE WAY MORE DOMINANT IN THEIR ABSOLUTE PRIME THOUGH!"


yea.... they were also way more dominant in their absolute prime than jordan, bird, kareem, russell, and magic

if there was an all time draft on primes...youd probably have shaq, wilt, hakeem, oscar all go with the first 4 picks


= "NO WAY! I'D PICK JORDAN OVER SHAQ AND WILT!


but i thought wilt and shaq were the MDE in their primes?


= "THEY ARE! IDIOT!"



:facepalm


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can the mods please shut down these player ranking threads. its obviously an agenda driven bias trolling thread to piss off us laker/kobe fans

BrickingStar 08-22-2012 12:49 PM

Re: are the people who voted shaq the 7th best player ever hypocrites?
 
Can the mods please ban this f@got who has lost his mind



kennethgriffin 08-22-2012 12:51 PM

Re: are the people who voted shaq the 7th best player ever hypocrites?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BrickingStar
Can the mods please ban this f@got who has lost his mind



you're mad you and your trolls got exposed

a bunch of idiots with multiple accounts trolling kobe fans... you got exposed last night and you look dumb today with this thread aswell because you see how much of fraud these voting polls are going

its just a massive troll on kobe fans

kuniva_dAMiGhTy 08-22-2012 12:52 PM

Re: are the people who voted shaq the 7th best player ever hypocrites?
 
Kobe apostles are helpless. :oldlol:

Colbertnation64 08-22-2012 12:52 PM

Re: are the people who voted shaq the 7th best player ever hypocrites?
 
I'd probably pick Shaq and Wilt then Jordan in an all time draft.

BrickingStar 08-22-2012 12:53 PM

Re: are the people who voted shaq the 7th best player ever hypocrites?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kennethgriffin
you're mad you and your trolls got exposed

a bunch of idiots with multiple accounts trolling kobe fans... you got exposed last night and you look dumb today with this thread aswell because you see how much of fraud these voting polls are going

its just a massive troll on kobe fans

Since you've lost touch with reality with don't you stick with that idea and stop posting essays that no one is reading. You're clearly mad.

Nevaeh 08-22-2012 12:54 PM

Re: are the people who voted shaq the 7th best player ever hypocrites?
 
Griff, this is ISH, where top 10 lists pretty much change every 6 months. After Lebron wins title 2 next year he'll be going into certain peep's top 10 lists as well.

It's like having a favorite movie. Certain people will tell you your favorite movie sucks, or is not that great sometimes. All that really matters though, is how you feel about the movie.

AlonzoGOAT 08-22-2012 12:55 PM

Re: are the people who voted shaq the 7th best player ever hypocrites?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Nevaeh
Griff, this is ISH, where top 10 lists pretty much change every 6 months. After Lebron wins title 2 next year he'll be going into certain peep's top 10 lists as well.

It's like having a favorite movie. Certain people will tell you your favorite movie sucks, or is not that great sometimes. All that really matters though, is how you feel about the movie.

AKA deluding himself this is hilarious :roll:

BlackVVaves 08-22-2012 12:58 PM

Re: are the people who voted shaq the 7th best player ever hypocrites?
 
Only read the first two paragraphs, as you're a retard.

But, those paragraphs have somewhat of a point.

The same people who voted Bird over Wilt, go back and vote Shaq over Kobe.

Very strange indeed. Because, if the criteria one would have to use to justify Bird being a better player than Wilt was being used (3 rings > 2 rings, 2 FMVPs > 1 FMVP) than those same people would vote Kobe over Shaq (5 rings > 4 rings. 2 rings after they split > 1 ring after they split).

So yes, that's strange and unfortunate. Alot of those same people hate Kobe though, so not much of a surprise. And, when there are little 14 year old posters like yourself running around with Kobe's genitals in your mouth everytime you talk, it makes it that much easier for them to desire to discredit the man.

And by the way, regardless of the reasoning. I've seen you say Kobe is Top 5 All Time. There's no amount of rationale that can justify that. So, you're whining is almost obsolete.

kennethgriffin 08-22-2012 12:58 PM

Re: are the people who voted shaq the 7th best player ever hypocrites?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Colbertnation64
I'd probably pick Shaq and Wilt then Jordan in an all time draft.



exactly... so why is it in these all time voting threads its just turning out to be one big troll on kobe and his fans?

mods need to delete all of these dumb threads. its causing problems because a few people and their multiple accounts are just changing criteria based on how they can get as many people ahead of kobe on the list just to piss his fans off


all the same people voted jordan, russell, magic, bird, kareem over wilt and shaq.


then the minute kobes next in line based on the career formula.... they all of a sudden change to "WE'RE VOTING ON PRIMES NOW. CAREERS DONT MATTER."


its creating drama and needless hatred


they should stick to their criteria


if they voted the entire thing based on the current critera... Shaq and Wilt would go #1 and #2


its basically become a favorite player thread

and making 5-6 favorite player troll threads a day is starting to p*ss me off. because theyre enviting kobe fans in just to troll us. its an agenda thread with a false title. should be deleted

swag2011 08-22-2012 01:00 PM

Re: are the people who voted shaq the 7th best player ever hypocrites?
 
C'mon man you already know how it goes around here. Shaq is Mr Dominant of All time, then why isn't he top 5? Cause the guys above him have better careers. So you make a rational argument as to why Kobe has a better career than Shaq, but it doesn't count lol. Funny how that works huh?

Now i'm not saying i agree that kobe should be higher than him, but it's clear how many hypocrites are on ISH. At least be consistent with the stuff you say.

BlackVVaves 08-22-2012 01:01 PM

Re: are the people who voted shaq the 7th best player ever hypocrites?
 
No KobeGriffey, you should be deleted :oldlol:

Colbertnation64 08-22-2012 01:01 PM

Re: are the people who voted shaq the 7th best player ever hypocrites?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kennethgriffin
exactly... so why is it in these all time voting threads its just turning out to be one big troll on kobe and his fans?

mods need to delete all of these dumb threads. its causing problems because a few people and their multiple accounts are just changing criteria based on how they can get as many people ahead of kobe on the list just to piss his fans off


all the same people voted jordan, russell, magic, bird, kareem over wilt and shaq.


then the minute kobes next in line based on the career formula.... they all of a sudden change to "WE'RE VOTING ON PRIMES NOW. CAREERS DONT MATTER."


its creating drama and needless hatred


they should stick to their criteria


if they voted the entire thing based on the current critera... Shaq and Wilt would go #1 and #2


its basically become a favorite player thread

and making 5-6 favorite player troll threads a day is starting to p*ss me off. because theyre enviting kobe fans in just to troll us. its an agenda thread with a false title. should be deleted

They're just mad man. It's hard for them to let another Laker into the top 10 when there's already Shaq, Wilt and Kareem. Then in the top 20 we got guys like West and Baylor.

Let them have their fun because we're starting a 3 peat this year anyways. When Kobe has 8 titles we'll just laugh at any of their arguments. :oldlol:

BrickingStar 08-22-2012 01:01 PM

Re: are the people who voted shaq the 7th best player ever hypocrites?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackVVaves
Only read the first two paragraphs, as you're a retard.

But, those paragraphs have somewhat of a point.

The same people who voted Bird over Wilt, go back and vote Shaq over Kobe.

Very strange indeed. Because, if the criteria one would have to use to justify Bird being a better player than Wilt was being used (3 rings > 2 rings, 2 FMVPs > 1 FMVP) than those same people would vote Kobe over Shaq (5 rings > 4 rings. 2 rings after they split > 1 ring after they split).

So yes, that's strange and unfortunate. Alot of those same people hate Kobe though, so not much of a surprise. And, when there are little 14 year old posters like yourself running around with Kobe's genitals in your mouth everytime you talk, it makes it that much easier for them to desire to discredit the man.

And by the way, regardless of the reasoning. I've seen you say Kobe is Top 5 All Time. There's no amount of rationale that can justify that. So, you're whining is almost obsolete.


Only retards taking rings as the main reason to account and how bill russel is over Magic is ****ing insane for that matter bird needed to be right behind magic and making wilt a lock for 6th. As for Shaq over kobe that isn't much of an upset at all

KG215 08-22-2012 01:02 PM

Re: are the people who voted shaq the 7th best player ever hypocrites?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kennethgriffin
you're mad you and your trolls got exposed

a bunch of idiots with multiple accounts trolling kobe fans... you got exposed last night and you look dumb today with this thread aswell because you see how much of fraud these voting polls are going

its just a massive troll on kobe fans


:oldlol:

So because your favorite player doesn't get voted in as high as you want, you have to start a thread crying about how it's a joke, and ask for it to be shut down? How old are you? Because you seem to have the intellectual maturity level of a 12 year old.

You do nothing but go around pushing your Kobe agenda and no one other than the other Kobe stans takes anything you say seriously. Who honestly cares if he gets voted top #7 or #8 in a meaningless message board poll? Does it really upset you that much? Does being voted one or two spots higher by some message board NBA fans really mean that much to you?

I know this will fall on deaf ears, because you have your mind made up and have been working to push Kobe as top 5 all-time for over a month now, but there's not this huge gap between Kobe, Shaq, Duncan, and Hakeem like you seem to believe. You could vote for any of those four at #7 all-time and I and many others wouldn't have a problem with it.

And you know how you like to push Kobe's career resume and use that as your basis for ranking him higher? Well, other people like to use prime/peak play and career resume. Just because others are using a different criteria than you to make their vote doesn't mean they're wrong.

And I'm going to go out on a limb and say posters like AlphaWolf24, swag2011, LakersReign, Iron Fist, and WeGetRing2012 will be about the only ones who come in here to back you up and defend you.


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