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BEAST Griffin 09-20-2012 01:08 AM

Free Hand Outs For Parasitic Rich People 101
 
Own a land title, in other words, own a government enforced monopoly privilege to land. Charge people an entrance fee to access the opportunities provided by nature and society at that location. Get money for providing nothing in return. Unless, of course, you consider allowing people to use what nature provided for free (land) in exchange for economic rent "providing something in return". The more opportunity the land you own land title(s) to gives access to, the higher the land value. In other words, the more opportunity you deprive society of, the more economic rent you can collect.

Rather than worrying about welfare checks, people should worry about the hundreds of thousands, millions, and even billions that rich parasites mooch of society in that fashion. :lol

Jello 09-20-2012 01:59 AM

Re: Free Hand Outs For Parasitic Rich People 101
 
So how should it work? The government seizing all land? from the middle class business owners? or just from the rich people? Equally sanctioning all land to every person in America? Give me a plan before you spout this hippie bullshit.

shlver 09-20-2012 02:07 AM

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The gov can already sieze private property in the name of eminent domain or corrupt politicians can invoke it because of contributions from developers. Unless you want complete socialism or anarchy .

joe 09-20-2012 06:13 AM

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Own a land title, in other words, own a government enforced monopoly privilege to land. Charge people an entrance fee to access the opportunities provided by nature and society at that location. Get money for providing nothing in return. Unless, of course, you consider allowing people to use what nature provided for free (land) in exchange for economic rent "providing something in return". The more opportunity the land you own land title(s) to gives access to, the higher the land value. In other words, the more opportunity you deprive society of, the more economic rent you can collect.


How do private land owners "get money for providing nothing in return?" A bare patch of dirt, with some grass on it, adds nothing to human society. Land only becomes valuable once a human being comes around and does something with it.

Imagine a bare piece of land, that nobody has lived on for years. A farmer decides to settle this patch of land. He harvests some crops, builds a home, and soon enough his crops grow.

Before the farmer harvested his crops, the land was useless. But now, through his hard work, the land suddenly is attractive for human settlement. The carrots he grows on that land do not rightfully belong to everyone. They do not belong to "the land," or "the people." They belong to him. Because without his hard work, the land was useless. If he sells his carrots, he is not "getting money for nothing provided in return." He is cashing in on his own effort.

Nick Young 09-20-2012 07:11 AM

Re: Free Hand Outs For Parasitic Rich People 101
 
Don't hate on people because they're more successful and better at playing the game than you are.

All of this occupy shit just screams of jealous bitchery. These dumbf*cks quit their jobs to protest in a park and live with hobos and drug addicts. No wonder they are poor. If they want money so badly, they should do something about it, instead of whining for rich people to pay more taxes.


Why are they so in love with the US government, that they feel motivated to quit their own jobs to protest and try to help the US government get paid EVEN MORE tax money?

they apparently hate "the man" and yet they are accidentally doing everything they can to help the man.

BEAST Griffin 09-20-2012 10:12 PM

Re: Free Hand Outs For Parasitic Rich People 101
 
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Originally Posted by Jello
So how should it work? The government seizing all land? from the middle class business owners? or just from the rich people? Equally sanctioning all land to every person in America? Give me a plan before you spout this hippie bullshit.


We stop taxing productive activities and tax the full land value instead. If you want exclusive rights to land you pay a land value tax to compensate the community for depriving them of the opportunities available at that location.

It stops the land owner leeching and ensures that land it used most productively, in other words, beneficial to society rather than the land owner reaping unearned economic rent.

BEAST Griffin 09-20-2012 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by joe
How do private land owners "get money for providing nothing in return?" A bare patch of dirt, with some grass on it, adds nothing to human society. Land only becomes valuable once a human being comes around and does something with it.

Imagine a bare piece of land, that nobody has lived on for years. A farmer decides to settle this patch of land. He harvests some crops, builds a home, and soon enough his crops grow.


That's false. Land value is based on potential use and not on current use and improvements.

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Before the farmer harvested his crops, the land was useless. But now, through his hard work, the land suddenly is attractive for human settlement. The carrots he grows on that land do not rightfully belong to everyone. They do not belong to "the land," or "the people." They belong to him. Because without his hard work, the land was useless. If he sells his carrots, he is not "getting money for nothing provided in return." He is cashing in on his own effort.

Again, your improvements and use of the land do not determine the land's value. Land's potential capacity for use determines its value. Carrots are a product of labor. Land is not. Nobody should enjoy the benefits of a land's value without compensating others for depriving them of it.

"Men did not make the earth.... It is the value of the improvement only, and not the earth itself, that is individual property.... " - Thomas Paine

BEAST Griffin 09-20-2012 10:58 PM

Re: Free Hand Outs For Parasitic Rich People 101
 
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Originally Posted by Nick Young
Don't hate on people because they're more successful and better at playing the game than you are.


More successful at accumulating unearned wealth.


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All of this occupy shit just screams of jealous bitchery. These dumbf*cks quit their jobs to protest in a park and live with hobos and drug addicts. No wonder they are poor. If they want money so badly, they should do something about it, instead of whining for rich people to pay more taxes.

Since I'm not an occupier, I don't know how that applies to me. What I do know is that poverty wouldn't be as much of an issue if rich land owners didn't demand payment from people in order for them to access the opportunities provided by nature and society.

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Why are they so in love with the US government, that they feel motivated to quit their own jobs to protest and try to help the US government get paid EVEN MORE tax money?

they apparently hate "the man" and yet they are accidentally doing everything they can to help the man.

LMFAO. Rich land owners consume more unearned economic rent than they pay back to society in taxes. It's how they make money from it. HELLO?

Crystallas 09-20-2012 11:43 PM

Re: Free Hand Outs For Parasitic Rich People 101
 
Learn to crawl before you try and walk. Sort through the history of each situation, and you'll find your answers.

BEAST Griffin 09-24-2012 09:20 PM

Re: Free Hand Outs For Parasitic Rich People 101
 
Obviously it wouldn't work to just share all land. What needs to be done is to rent out exclusive use of land to private individuals who must pay its full land value as a tax to compensate society for depriving them of use of the land. It would also ensure productive use of land.

The tax burden on productivity needs to be completely abolished. Land value tax needs to be the only tax and it would be exactly what the government needs to fund itself as a land value tax paid to the government would reflect the amount of benefits received.

BEAST Griffin 09-24-2012 09:31 PM

Re: Free Hand Outs For Parasitic Rich People 101
 
People have to understand that taxing productive activities in our current system makes you pay twice for the same benefits: Once to the government and once to the land owner who pockets the land value created by it.

BEAST Griffin 09-25-2012 10:33 PM

Re: Free Hand Outs For Parasitic Rich People 101
 
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Originally Posted by Crystallas
Learn to crawl before you try and walk. Sort through the history of each situation, and you'll find your answers.


Land owners, depending on the extent they are land owners, don't crawl, walk, or run. They sit back idly and twiddle their thumbs as they get their free hand outs.

BEAST Griffin 09-25-2012 10:36 PM

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Chattel slavery was incarnate theft of the worst kind. That system which made property of human beings, which allowed one person to sell another, which allowed one person to take away the proceeds of another’s toil, which permitted the tearing of the child from the mother, and which permitted the so-called owner to hunt with bloodhounds the person who escaped from the owner’s tyranny — that form of slavery is abolished. To that extent, the command, "Thou shalt not steal," has been vindicated; but there is another form of slavery.

We are selling land now in large quantities to certain English lords, who are coming over here and buying greater estates than the greatest in Great Britain or Ireland. We are selling them land; they are buying land. Did it ever occur to you that they do not want that land? They have no use whatever for American land; they do not propose to come over here and live on it. They cannot carry it over there to where they do live.

It is not the land that they want. What they want is the income from it. They are buying it not because they themselves want to use it, but because by and by, as population increases, numbers of American citizens will want to use it, and then they can say to these American citizens: "You can use this land provided you pay us one-half of all you make upon it." What we are selling those foreign lords is not really land; we are selling them the labor of American citizens; we are selling them the privilege of taking, without any return for it, the proceeds of the toil of our children.

So, here in New York, you will read in the papers every day that the price of land is going up. John Jones or Robert Brown has made a hundred thousand dollars within a year in the increase in the value of land in New York. What does that mean? It means he has the power of getting many more coats, many more cigars, dry goods, horses and carriages, houses or much more food and wine. He has gained the power of taking for his own a great number of these products of human labor.

But what has he done? He has not done anything. He may have been off in Europe or out west, or he may have been sitting at home taking it easy. If he has done nothing to get this increased income, where does it come from? The things I speak of are all products of human labor — someone has to work for them. When a man who does no work can get them, necessarily the people who do work to produce them must have less of the products of human labor than they ought to have.
- Henry George

whole article
http://www.wealthandwant.com/HG/George_TSNS.html

joe 09-26-2012 12:51 AM

Re: Free Hand Outs For Parasitic Rich People 101
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BEAST Griffin
We stop taxing productive activities and tax the full land value instead. If you want exclusive rights to land you pay a land value tax to compensate the community for depriving them of the opportunities available at that location.

It stops the land owner leeching and ensures that land it used most productively, in other words, beneficial to society rather than the land owner reaping unearned economic rent.


So if the land owner doesn't have a rightful claim to the land, why does the community have a rightful claim? Wouldn't that community just be depriving other communities of the opportunities available at that location?


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