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L.Kizzle 10-03-2012 11:35 PM

The 1980s feature the most underrated era for guards.
 
You got players who are seldom mentioned now a days, who were All-NBA talents.

You got players who were All-NBA 1st teamers, player who led teams to deep playoff runs, players who averaged over 30 points, guys with near triple double seasons. This B-Team of players can probably hang with the best of this generation.


Rolando Blackman
Micheal Ray Richardson
Norm Nixon
Otis Birdsong
Gus Williams
Paul Westphal
Walter Davis
Fat Lever
World B. Free
Reggie Theus
Andre Toney
Jim Paxson
Alvin Robertson

iamgine 10-03-2012 11:38 PM

Re: The 1980s feature the most underrated era for guards.
 
Meh, every era has em.

L.Kizzle 10-03-2012 11:41 PM

Re: The 1980s feature the most underrated era for guards.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by iamgine
Meh, every era has em.

Who are this era's guards like the 80s? After the top guys, their is a huge drop. After the Kobe's, Wades, Paul's Westbrook's, Rondo's ect, it's a huge drop off.

Jameer Nelson and Devin Harris are no where near those guys I mentioned in the 80s.

iamgine 10-03-2012 11:47 PM

Re: The 1980s feature the most underrated era for guards.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by L.Kizzle
Who are this era's guards like the 80s? After the top guys, their is a huge drop. After the Kobe's, Wades, Paul's Westbrook's, Rondo's ect, it's a huge drop off.

Jameer Nelson and Devin Harris are no where near those guys I mentioned in the 80s.

Past 10 years? There are...Nash, Allen, Manu, Rose, Tmac, Billups, Arenas, Roy, Carter, Parker, Iverson, Kidd, Ellis, Baron, Andre....Even Francis and Marbury.

L.Kizzle 10-03-2012 11:52 PM

Re: The 1980s feature the most underrated era for guards.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by iamgine
Past 10 years? There are...Nash, Allen, Manu, Rose, Tmac, Billups, Arenas, Roy, Carter, Parker, Iverson, Kidd, Ellis, Baron, Andre....Even Francis and Marbury.

Half of those guys are elite, so they don't count. Notice I didn't list Magic, Jordan, Zeke, Drexler, Stockton, Gervin, Moncrief, ect.

Only non elite guys you listed are Manu, Parker, Roy, Davis, Marbury and Francis.

Not sure where I'd have Arenas and Billups though, but Kidd, Iverson, Carter, Nash, Allen, Rose, T-Mac are clearly elite.

RaininTwos 10-04-2012 12:01 AM

Re: The 1980s feature the most underrated era for guards.
 
The past 10 years of NBA basketball has been the combination of the swingmen/point guard golden era and here is el kissel saying that guards from the 80's have a deeper pool of talent:facepalm :facepalm

iamgine 10-04-2012 12:05 AM

Re: The 1980s feature the most underrated era for guards.
 
I could list more..Joe Johnson, Hamilton, Redd, Iguodala, Richardson, KMart, etc

L.Kizzle 10-04-2012 12:08 AM

Re: The 1980s feature the most underrated era for guards.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RaininTwos
The past 10 years of NBA basketball has been the combination of the swingmen/point guard golden era and here is el kissel saying that guards from the 80's have a deeper pool of talent:facepalm :facepalm

Is their any 2nd tier guards making All-NBA 1st teams or leading their team deep in the playoffs?

Gus Williams beat out Magic Johnson for an All-NBA 1st team spot? I don't remember B-Diddy or Marbury taking a spot from Kobe or AI on the All-NBA teams.

Fat Lever avg near a triple double of 20/9/8. My boy Francis got close with 21/7/6 but didn't get the All-NBA 2nd team with it.

World B. Free avg over 30 a game. Alvin Robertson led the league in steals 3 times, Reggie Theus, bomb ass jheri curl. Need I go on.

andgar923 10-04-2012 12:11 AM

Re: The 1980s feature the most underrated era for guards.
 
Mos of today's guards produce empty stats.

A. Their IQ overall is horrid
B. The rules allow them to be as successful as they are statistically

The game is geared to increase guard production. Most of the players mentioned by the OP would be getting hall of fame numbers if they played in this era, with no touch rules and lack of big men guarding the paint.

iamgine 10-04-2012 12:12 AM

Re: The 1980s feature the most underrated era for guards.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by L.Kizzle
Is their any 2nd tier guards making All-NBA 1st teams or leading their team deep in the playoffs?

Gus Williams beat out Magic Johnson for an All-NBA 1st team spot? I don't remember B-Diddy or Marbury taking a spot from Kobe or AI on the All-NBA teams.

Fat Lever avg near a triple double of 20/9/8. My boy Francis got close with 21/7/6 but didn't get the All-NBA 2nd team with it.

World B. Free avg over 30 a game. Alvin Robertson led the league in steals 3 times, Reggie Theus, bomb ass jheri curl. Need I go on.

Does making it over Magic meant he was better?

And pace was faster back then.

L.Kizzle 10-04-2012 12:15 AM

Re: The 1980s feature the most underrated era for guards.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by iamgine
Does making it over Magic meant he was better?

And pace was faster back then.

Of course not, but making over him means something. Just saying, Michael Redd never made a team over Dwyane Wade. Hell, he never made one over Gilbert Arenas.

What does pace have to do with anything? It was still a different world, way more physical, hand checking. Like andgar said, Micheal Ray Richard would have a field day in today's league.

KOBE143 10-04-2012 12:17 AM

Re: The 1980s feature the most underrated era for guards.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by L.Kizzle
Rolando Blackman
Micheal Ray Richardson
Norm Nixon
Otis Birdsong
Gus Williams
Paul Westphal
Walter Davis
Fat Lever
World B. Free
Reggie Theus
Andre Toney
Jim Paxson
Alvin Robertson

manu >>> all of them combined

jlip 10-04-2012 12:27 AM

Re: The 1980s feature the most underrated era for guards.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by L.Kizzle
Gus Williams beat out Magic Johnson for an All-NBA 1st team spot? I don't remember B-Diddy or Marbury taking a spot from Kobe or AI on the All-NBA teams.



Quote:

Originally Posted by iamgine
Does making it over Magic meant he was better?

And pace was faster back then.


1982 All NBA 1st Team Gus Williams over Magic

^gratuitous post plug^

iamgine 10-04-2012 12:43 AM

Re: The 1980s feature the most underrated era for guards.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by L.Kizzle
Of course not, but making over him means something. Just saying, Michael Redd never made a team over Dwyane Wade. Hell, he never made one over Gilbert Arenas.

What does pace have to do with anything? It was still a different world, way more physical, hand checking. Like andgar said, Micheal Ray Richard would have a field day in today's league.

Maybe it means the voters were dumber back then?

Al Thornton 10-04-2012 12:46 AM

Re: The 1980s feature the most underrated era for guards.
 
el kissel fighting the hard battle with andger for nostalgia king


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