GUYS GUYS make sure you dont forget MIRZA TELETOVIC!!!! He will surprise many, he's like kevin love without that many rebounds
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GUYS GUYS make sure you dont forget MIRZA TELETOVIC!!!! He will surprise many, he's like kevin love without that many rebounds
[QUOTE=Clippersfan86]Wallace is the only proven good defender in their main rotation. Deron, Johnson, Lopez and Humphries are all subpar defensively. I love Crash though and what he brings.[/QUOTE]
Deron is a very capable defender as is JJ.. Humphries has the tools to be good defensively (not the brain) and Lopez is the big question mark this year. He can play good post D and block shots, but put him in a pick and roll or draw him to the perimeter and add two points to the scoreboard.
But if the team plays defense.. it will be as a team buying in, giving effort and the bench players keeping up the intensity which I think Watson, Bogans and Evans can do.
I don't expect them to be a top 10 defensive team, but I'm hoping for at least an average team.. however if they somehow can add an interior defender like Smith or Varejo, than they can move up.
[QUOTE=bd#1pguard]GUYS GUYS make sure you dont forget MIRZA TELETOVIC!!!! He will surprise many, he's like kevin love without that many rebounds[/QUOTE]
I forgot about him already.
Actually... I don't know.. his shooting could help, but he won't see the court if he can't rebound or play D. I think that signing had Dwight in mind the entire time.. not Lopez.
[QUOTE=ChuckOakley]I forgot about him already.
Actually... I don't know.. his shooting could help, but he won't see the court if he can't rebound or play D. I think that signing had Dwight in mind the entire time.. not Lopez.[/QUOTE]
oh no worries youll get reminded each time he has that 10 pts in 10 min spurt and by season's end is a starter.
[QUOTE=bd#1pguard]oh no worries youll get reminded each time he has that 10 pts in 10 min spurt and by season's end is a starter.[/QUOTE]
Lopez and Teletovic would average a combined 12 rpg and while they might score 30ppg, they would give up 40.
I don't mind him as a spark plug off the bench, playing next to Evans or Hump who can rebound the ball.. but not as a starter.. unless we had a dominant rebounder and defender next to him... like that guy in LA.
[QUOTE=ChuckOakley]Lopez and Teletovic would average a combined 12 rpg and while they might score 30ppg, they would give up 40.
I don't mind him as a spark plug off the bench, playing next to Evans or Hump who can rebound the ball.. but not as a starter.. unless we had a dominant rebounder and defender next to him... like that guy in LA.[/QUOTE]
the dude gets about 8 rebounds a game in euroleague and the qualifiers for the eurobasket. he's not a horrible rebounder by any means. and f dwight you need to get over that i know it hurts deep inside (thats what she said) but everything will be allright.
whether you like it or not he will start by the end of the season either because of injuries or because the coach is gonna realize that "hey this guy sucks" and sit hump down.
avy bet?
[QUOTE=ChuckOakley]I got plenty of time to figure it out
:pimp:
(waits for the Nets to be decimated by injuries for the 2nd year in a row where they lost the most games to injury, had the most staring line-ups, most players lost to season ending injuries, had the most d-league call-ups.. and looks like a fool)[/QUOTE]
I honestly wouldn't be surprised if that happens. Injuries have been pretty bad for us the last few years. But we gotta feel optimistic.
Brook's foot is probably what worries me the most. Watching Yao Ming and Big Z, foot injuries have plagued them most of their careers. I just hope Brook doesn't go down the same road as them.
And I think Tele is the X-Factor of our team. If he plays well off the bench, we have one of the most offensively talented lineups in the league (D-Will, JJ, Wallace, Tele, Lopez). I can see him taking some minutes away from Hump down the stretch of games for offensive purposes.
[QUOTE=bd#1pguard]the dude gets about 8 rebounds a game in euroleague and the qualifiers for the eurobasket. he's not a horrible rebounder by any means. and f dwight you need to get over that i know it hurts deep inside (thats what she said) but everything will be allright.
whether you like it or not he will start by the end of the season either because of injuries or because the coach is gonna realize that "hey this guy sucks" and sit hump down.
avy bet?[/QUOTE]
No.. because like you said, if he's starting it might be because of injuries. He is not a good pairing with Lopez. If anyone takes the starting spot from Hump (besides someone we trade for) it will be Blatche.
[QUOTE=bd#1pguard]the dude gets about 8 rebounds a game in euroleague and the qualifiers for the eurobasket. he's not a horrible rebounder by any means. and f dwight you need to get over that i know it hurts deep inside (thats what she said) but everything will be allright.
whether you like it or not he will start by the end of the season either because of injuries or because the coach is gonna realize that "hey this guy sucks" and sit hump down.
avy bet?[/QUOTE]
Hump's starting job is pretty secure. The Nets aren't going to swallow $12 million a year just for Hump to sit on the bench. He was the most consistent player on our team last year averaging 14 and 11. We need the defense and rebounding that he brings night in and night out. Putting up points isn't going to be the problem, defense is. So like you said, unless he gets hurt, I can't see Avery benching him.
[QUOTE=MTing]I honestly wouldn't be surprised if that happens. Injuries have been pretty bad for us the last few years. But we gotta feel optimistic.
Brook's foot is probably what worries me the most. Watching Yao Ming and Big Z, foot injuries have plagued them most of their careers. I just hope Brook doesn't go down the same road as them.
And I think Tele is the X-Factor of our team. If he plays well off the bench, we have one of the most offensively talented lineups in the league (D-Will, JJ, Wallace, Tele, Lopez). I can see him taking some minutes away from Hump down the stretch of games for offensive purposes.[/QUOTE]
Our Achilles is not offense.. it will be defense. If we are in a close game we need rebounds and defense. That's not what he provides. For the final play down 2 or 3 maybe, not a 4th quarter.
As for Brook, yes he is my biggest concern but...
1. His brother had the same break and has been fine
2. We supposedly revamped our strength and conditioning team because of what happened last season
3. If we were by far the most injury plagued team last season, you gotta think our fortunes reverse some this year
4. We have a much more talented and deeper team than last year.. we can actual overcome the usual injury or two.
Teletovic will have to adjust to the NBA game, but he could be a pleasant surprise for Nets fans.
[QUOTE=chains5000]Teletovic will have to adjust to the NBA game, but he could be a pleasant surprise for Nets fans.[/QUOTE]
Hopefully it won't take too long. He's 27 and we have him under contract for 3 years. And he essentially cost us fan favorite Gerald Green.
[QUOTE=ChuckOakley]Our Achilles is not offense.. it will be defense. If we are in a close game we need rebounds and defense. That's not what he provides. For the final play down 2 or 3 maybe, not a 4th quarter.[/QUOTE]
Totally agree. Hump's not gonna get benched for Tele. All I'm saying is if we need points down the stretch I would put him in because his jumper is a lot smoother then Hump's and he's been creating his own shot for a few years now as one of his leagues best scorers.
[QUOTE=ChuckOakley]As for Brook, yes he is my biggest concern but...
1. His brother had the same break and has been fine
2. We supposedly revamped our strength and conditioning team because of what happened last season
3. If we were by far the most injury plagued team last season, you gotta think our fortunes reverse some this year
4. We have a much more talented and deeper team than last year.. we can actual overcome the usual injury or two.[/QUOTE]
It still concerns me though. Foot injuries linger for big men.
i am so confident that he becomes a starter by the end of the season, that I will take an avy bet for a month each for everyone who wants to take it, that even without injuries he will become a starter by seasons end
[QUOTE=MTing]Totally agree. Hump's not gonna get benched for Tele. All I'm saying is if we need points down the stretch I would put him in because his jumper is a lot smoother then Hump's and he's been creating his own shot for a few years now as one of his leagues best scorers.
It still concerns me though. Foot injuries linger for big men.[/QUOTE]
Me too.. but I think we can survive without him at the same time. Blatche has been playing very well in training camp supposedly, so between him, Hump, Evans and Teletovic I think they can man the fort OK. Though I still wish we also signed Darko or Harrelson.
Granted we lose any hope of real success w/o Lopez, but unlike last season we could at least stay in the playoffs.
[QUOTE=bd#1pguard]i am so confident that he becomes a starter by the end of the season, that I will take an avy bet for a month each for everyone who wants to take it, that even without injuries he will become a starter by seasons end[/QUOTE]
Well, my avy is tied up for a month after the season (potentially) otherwise I would think about it.
IF he does end up starting (and it's not because of injuries) that means he's rebounding and playing D.. I hope it happens.
[QUOTE=ChuckOakley]Well, my avy is tied up for a month after the season (potentially) otherwise I would think about it.
IF he does end up starting (and it's not because of injuries) that means he's rebounding and playing D.. I hope it happens.[/QUOTE]
me too. end of convo. just wanted to make sure he wasnt forgotten about. mission accomplished.
[QUOTE=ChuckOakley]Me too.. but I think we can survive without him at the same time. Blatche has been playing very well in training camp supposedly, so between him, Hump, Evans and Teletovic I think they can man the fort OK. Though I still wish we also signed Darko or Harrelson.
Granted we lose any hope of real success w/o Lopez, but unlike last season we could at least stay in the playoffs.[/QUOTE]
Agreed. I would feel much better if we signed a traditional big man. I didn't like the thought of playing Dray and Evans as back ups to Brook but it is what it is I suppose. Hopefully Blatche turns into our new Gerald Green.
[QUOTE=Clippersfan86][B][U]2nd round exit at worst, pretty good shot for WCF for the Clippers[/U][/B]. 45-50 wins would give the Nets a top 3 turnaround in win differential in NBA history last I checked along with Kidd's Nets and Nash's Suns. Bottom line is... winning 40 (which is playoffs in east usually) would be a great improvement for the Nets. Lopez and Humphries don't seem to have good synergy at all and we have to see if Joe bounces back because he's been a no show when it counts the last few seasons.[/QUOTE]
Holy delusional, Batman! I guess I see things more realistic. Clippers arent getting past the second round, at best. Championship comes out of the Eastern Conference once again. OKC, SAS or Lakers in WCF.
Nets are being over hyped to heck..I guess they have to sell tickets. A new look franchise. Get the hype machine going. They will be better than last season, but please they won't be competition to the Heat, Bulls (healthy), Celtics, and other better Eastern Teams. So comparing them to one of the better Western teams is kind of insulting to the Western Conference and the Clippers. The Nets should have a nice team and if they draft well and get good players to go there they could have a good future.
Was reading the interesting thread and a few points to make.
1. Lopez definitely won't get traded because his contract has a trade kicker included. Meaning if Lopez gets traded, the team that gets him gives him 15% of his salary up front. This was a way to persuade Lopez to not sign Portlands or Charlottes offer sheet. We basically assured him that he will be a Net for years to come.
2. For those that say the Nets are virtually the same, leave the board because you're clearly not a knowledgable fan. The Nets had a demotivated Deron Williams with Humphries and MarShon Brooks as his only supporting cast. Now they have a super motivated Williams, Joe Johnson, Gerald Wallace for a full season, Humphries, and hopefully a healthy Brook Lopez. This an entirely new starting lineup. Their bench is vastly improved as well. Last year we only had MarShon and Morrow. This year we have Brooks, Watson, Mirza ( who will put 6-8 PPG ON 45+% ), Keith Bogans ( who had a DPOY vote in 2011) Blatche and Childress. The Nets have more new players then returning players.
I wasn't fully aware that the Nets were 3-1 against the Clippers last year. Same thing should happen this year.
[QUOTE=It's A VC3!!!]Was reading the interesting thread and a few points to make.
1. Lopez definitely won't get traded because his contract has a trade kicker included. Meaning if Lopez gets traded, the team that gets him gives him 15% of his salary up front. This was a way to persuade Lopez to not sign Portlands or Charlottes offer sheet. We basically assured him that he will be a Net for years to come.
2. For those that say the Nets are virtually the same, leave the board because you're clearly not a knowledgable fan. The Nets had a demotivated Deron Williams with Humphries and MarShon Brooks as his only supporting cast. Now they have a super motivated Williams, Joe Johnson, Gerald Wallace for a full season, Humphries, and hopefully a healthy Brook Lopez. This an entirely new starting lineup. Their bench is vastly improved as well. Last year we only had MarShon and Morrow. This year we have Brooks, Watson, Mirza ( who will put 6-8 PPG ON 45+% ), Keith Bogans ( who had a DPOY vote in 2011) Blatche and Childress. The Nets have more new players then returning players.
I wasn't fully aware that the Nets were 3-1 against the Clippers last year. Same thing should happen this year.[/QUOTE]
Yes and the Clippers will finish with a better record and deeper playoff run and you can celebrate a 2-0 series win if you want. It was 4-1 over two seasons, including one loss in 2011 where Clippers had lead with 30 seconds and Farmer hit huge 3. The other loss was when the Clippers had no Baron or Eric Gordon. Enjoy them though :cheers: .
Love the nets and don't think they are over hyped at all. But I think the clippers will be better more chemistry and deep deep team.
[QUOTE=Clippersfan86]Yes and the Clippers will finish with a better record and deeper playoff run and you can celebrate a 2-0 series win if you want. It was 4-1 over two seasons, including one loss in 2011 where Clippers had lead with 30 seconds and Farmer hit huge 3. The other loss was when the Clippers had no Baron or Eric Gordon. Enjoy them though :cheers: .[/QUOTE]
I'm going to the game in November between the Clippers and the Nets. Wanna make a avatar bet for that game? Loser wears the avy for a month?
[QUOTE=MTing]I'm going to the game in November between the Clippers and the Nets. Wanna make a avatar bet for that game? Loser wears the avy for a month?[/QUOTE]
Why would I bet a 1 month avy over a single game :hammerhead: . Clippers will go deeper in the playoffs and finish with a better record, that's all I care about.
[QUOTE=Clippersfan86]Why would I bet a 1 month avy over a single game :hammerhead: . Clippers will go deeper in the playoffs and finish with a better record, that's all I care about.[/QUOTE]
Okay:oldlol: 3 weeks then.
I don't know just for fun its just an avatar bet. We used to do it for single games all the time.
Clippers win this. As overrated as Blake Griffin there's quite a large gap between him and the Nets 2nd best player.
Everyone knows I like D-Will more than CP3, but this question is a joke. Even if you take Deron over Chris, you can't take the rest of the Nets over the Clippers.
[QUOTE=Fiasco][B]Everyone knows I like D-Will more than CP3,[/B] but this question is a joke. Even if you take Deron over Chris, you can't take the rest of the Nets over the Clippers.[/QUOTE]
I didn't know this.
[QUOTE=SpecialQue]I didn't know this.[/QUOTE]
:(
Many things factor into team success in the NBA. You need a great starting 5, and an adequate bench of suitable role players. You need good coaching, good buy in on defensive schemes, and players accepting roles. You need good ownership, and good team management.
I think the Nets have a slightly better combination of the above and will be more successful by the end of the season.
The Nets might even have the second seed in the East.
Even if you think Clippers, its not by much.
The Nets have 3 great players in their starting lineup, and one good one.
They have 2 or 3 good support role players. Depth beyond that is overrated in the NBA.
Brooks in particular will be great off the bench.
They have ownership/management/coaching demanding excellence over dollars, over everything. They will be great, particulary post all star break, [B]barring injury[/B].
[QUOTE=Clippersfan86]Uh... obviously I meant Brook. How does a typo alter my credibility? Try again Wang.[/QUOTE]
A very blatant and erroneous typo. Regardless, your position as the ultimate Clipper fanboy makes you the least of objective opinions. In fact, I spent the rest of my day not even here because it would've been a waste of my time reading your responses. I while I scan through your various posts.. yeah I was right. They're not worth it.
The Clippers are not a borderline contender team.
[QUOTE=wang4three]The Clippers are not a borderline contender team.[/QUOTE]
Agreed, they are complete contenders.
[quote=Fiasco]Agreed, they are complete contenders.[/quote]
The title contenders are the Heat, Lakers and Thunder, and possibly Spurs.
Clippers are in the tier below, and at this point (in preseason) it seems it would be an upset for them to make the WCF.
There isn't much between Clippers, Denver, Memphis IMO.
Reality is the Clippers could have been out in first round last season. They weren't, but it wasn't far off.
I think the additions they made in Crawford/Odom/Barnes/Hill/turiaf aren't that great in 2012. I think internal development from Griffin/Jordan/Bledsoe is the key to take next step. And to be honest I don't know much more those players will improve. Happy for Clippers fans if they do improve alot as overall players.
[QUOTE=G-train]The title contenders are the Heat, Lakers and Thunder, and possibly Spurs.[/quote]
Well, I disagree.
[quote]Clippers are in the tier below, and at this point (in preseason) it seems it would be an upset for them to make the WCF.[/quote]
Because they lost to the Nuggets? I don't follow your logic. Nothing has been established at this point, other than the fact that the Clippers have added very good pieces to support their star players.
[quote]There isn't much between Clippers, Denver, Memphis IMO.[/quote]
Interested in your reasoning on this.
[quote]Reality is the Clippers could have been out in first round last season. They weren't, but it wasn't far off.[/quote]
Reality is that the Clippers had major injuries to their 3 best players and they still made it past a healthy Grizzlies team in 7 games.
[quote]I think the additions they made in Crawford/Odom/Barnes/Hill/turiaf aren't that great in 2012.[/quote]
I can't speak objectively on Odom because I hate him. All signs point to Crawford reemerging into the player he was in Atlanta (or something similar). Hill isn't a star but he is the consistent veteran the Clippers needed with the departure of Kenyon. Barnes is the 9th player in the rotation, at best, and Turiaf is inarguably crap.
[quote]I think internal development from Griffin/Jordan/Bledsoe is the key to take next step. And to be honest I don't know much more those players will improve. Happy for Clippers fans if they do improve alot as overall players.[/QUOTE]
Generally, players improve after their sophomore years in the league. It's not really a stretch to say Griffin will only get better from here... he's repeatedly stated the entire summer was spent focusing on his weaknesses. Deandre Jordan has said similar things... and Bledsoe's game against Denver really speaks for itself (yes, I'm aware it was the preseason). If all the cards fall right for the Clippers, they are pretty damn good. And the odds suggest they will.
[QUOTE=Fiasco]Agreed, they are complete contenders.[/QUOTE]
Sorry to burst your bubble, but they're not. There is a whole level of teams that are clearly and overwhelmingly better than them. Lakers. Miami. OKC. There is no question that the Clippers are not among those three. Then there's teams that are probably better than them: Boston and San Antonio. So really... that's 5 teams above them. They're not contenders. Sorry if it hurts your feelings.
[QUOTE=wang4three]Sorry to burst your bubble, but they're not. There is a whole level of teams that are clearly and overwhelmingly better than them. Lakers. Miami. OKC. There is no question that the Clippers are not among those three. Then there's teams that are probably better than them: Boston and San Antonio. So really... that's 5 teams above them. They're not contenders. Sorry if it hurts your feelings.[/QUOTE]
Why would your opinion hurt my feelings?
Eric Bledsoe and DJ have improved leaps and bounds this summer and people will see. Griffin obviously should improve. Those 3 plus CP3 who's 26 is an incredible core.
Fiasco 5 best players injured and 10 new players yet still beat so called darkhorse Grizzlies who had home court.
[QUOTE=wang4three]Sorry to burst your bubble, but they're not. There is a whole level of teams that are clearly and overwhelmingly better than them. Lakers. Miami. OKC. There is no question that the Clippers are not among those three. Then there's teams that are probably better than them: Boston and San Antonio. So really... that's 5 teams above them. They're not contenders. Sorry if it hurts your feelings.[/QUOTE]
Nothing you say will ever hurt anyones feelings lmao