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longhornfan1234 10-14-2012 11:41 AM

Should the government cut entitlements?
 
I want to read your opinions on this topic.

Math2 10-14-2012 12:05 PM

Re: Should the government cut entitlements?
 
Yes

longhornfan1234 10-14-2012 12:06 PM

Re: Should the government cut entitlements?
 
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Originally Posted by Math2
Yes



Which programs?

MavsSuperFan 10-14-2012 12:30 PM

Re: Should the government cut entitlements?
 
I would only support cuts to entitlements if conservatives have to give up stuff they care about too.

Raise taxes, cut defense, cut farm subsidies, cut oil subsidies and tax big oil companies and coal companies for extracting our natural resources as well or its not fair.

If it is done fairly, I think it would be in our long term interest to pay down our national debt and reduce the amount of money we pay as interest on the debt. All of that money being paid as interest is a complete waste.

I am personally a fan of Keynesian economics under normal conditions, but the current US debt is huge I have seen numbers as high as $16 billion, which is about 100% of GDP. This greatly concerns me and I wouldn't object to some action that takes this number down a bit before trying a stimulus.

I know a lot of people are going to argue that Keynesian principles is what dug us out of the great depression, but WWII had a big impact on stimulating the economy and helping achieve full employment. I fear continued spending that doesnt stimulate growth.

MavsSuperFan 10-14-2012 12:59 PM

Re: Should the government cut entitlements?
 
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Originally Posted by longhornfan1234
Which programs?



As a conservative you dont have to worry about this one, Every indication is Obama will be elected to a second term (national polls dont matter, Presidents are elected via electoral votes not popular vote. A break down of the states shows that Obama is overwhelmingly likely to win reelection.) and that he will agree to some version of the grand bargain in order to avoid sequestration.

Obama and Boehner already reached an agreement last time to raise the debt celling. The deal would have cut $4 for ever $1 of revenue increases. To quote Boehner "I got 98% of what I wanted."

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_16...what-i-wanted/

The grand bargain was also based largely on the Simpson-Bowles commission that Obama appointed and recommended cutting entitlements and lowering Corporate taxes while increasing personal taxes on the rich and middle class. The only reason Obama and Boehner didnt follow through on their agreement was because the Tea Party and other extreme conservatives wouldnt allow Boehner to accept a deal that gave them 98% of what they wanted, because they wanted the other 2% as well.

The Obama administration was prepared to touch the 3rd rail of American politics and abandon core principles of the democratic party Fortunately for liberals/progressives (not democrats) Boehner is so weak he couldnt even carry his caucus, and had to pretend that he didnt want the deal after gloating that he had gotten basically everything he wanted.

Anyways the news from Washington is that responsible party leaders among the repubs have come to their senses and realize what a victory the grand bargain is for them. I believe obama will offer up the grand bargain again, and this time the repubs are going to take it.

So if you want to see cuts in entitlements don't worry its happening.

Nanners 10-14-2012 01:00 PM

Re: Should the government cut entitlements?
 
yes, but start by taking entitlements from the rich

start by taking away the massive subsidies given to the fossil fuel industry. lets see if they can compete on the open market without government handouts.

take away the huge tax breaks and loopholes for rich people that allow guys like mitt romney to pay a lower % of his income to tax than I do (im no millionaire).

the govt spent $250 billion on subsidies and corporate tax breaks last year. end corporate welfare, then you can talk about ending welfare for poor people.

senelcoolidge 10-14-2012 01:28 PM

Re: Should the government cut entitlements?
 
You have people that have lived through entitlements for generations now. You have people that take entitlements and buy alcohol and drugs with it. You can't just hand out money to people that are irresponsible. Perhaps a probation period. But something needs to be done about that.

JMT 10-14-2012 02:51 PM

Re: Should the government cut entitlements?
 
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Originally Posted by Nanners
yes, but start by taking entitlements from the rich

start by taking away the massive subsidies given to the fossil fuel industry. lets see if they can compete on the open market without government handouts.

take away the huge tax breaks and loopholes for rich people that allow guys like mitt romney to pay a lower % of his income to tax than I do (im no millionaire).

the govt spent $250 billion on subsidies and corporate tax breaks last year. end corporate welfare, then you can talk about ending welfare for poor people.


This.

The right throws out the smokescreen of individual entitlements/47% when the dollars involved pale in comparison to the free rides given to corporations and the mega-rich.

Making sure that your citizens eat and can afford preventive health care is more important than making it easier for the rich to get richer.

BEAST Griffin 10-14-2012 03:01 PM

Re: Should the government cut entitlements?
 
Cut land titles. It's the biggest entitlement of all.

HardwoodLegend 10-14-2012 03:12 PM

Re: Should the government cut entitlements?
 
I'm not very well-versed about socioeconomics and politics, so can someone tell me what would happen if all entitlements to poor people were cut?

Would they get their act together, or would there be some sort of mass revolt and wave of crime that would demand increases in spending for policing and containing the matter?

Duderonomy 10-14-2012 03:35 PM

Re: Should the government cut entitlements?
 
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Originally Posted by HardwoodLegend
I'm not very well-versed about socioeconomics and politics, so can someone tell me what would happen if all entitlements to poor people were cut?

Would they get their act together, or would there be some sort of mass revolt and wave of crime that would demand increases in spending for policing and containing the matter?


Some would get jobs, some would steal and commit crimes, and some would become homeless. There is no definitive answer, everyone is different.

bmulls 10-14-2012 04:36 PM

Re: Should the government cut entitlements?
 
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Originally Posted by Mr. I'm So Rad
Why is cutting the $200 a n!gga receives in food stamps every month more of a priority than cutting the millions another dude makes by cheating on his taxes?


Because for every dude cheating millions on his taxes there are millions of n!ggas getting $200 a month for food stamps that they trade for crack.

SpecialQue 10-14-2012 04:40 PM

Re: Should the government cut entitlements?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. I'm So Rad
Why is cutting the $200 a n!gga receives in food stamps every month more of a priority than cutting the millions another dude makes by cheating on his taxes?


Poor people having money is more "dangerous" than rich people having more money.

JtotheIzzo 10-14-2012 05:08 PM

Re: Should the government cut entitlements?
 
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Originally Posted by longhornfan1234
I want to read your opinions on this topic.


Seeing how you're a massive right wing blowhard I guess the entitlements you are referring to is shit like welfare and food stamps.

The best post in this thread thus far is Nanners, as I think he pretty much nailed a middle of the road responsible view on the issue, but just for fun, lets placate your idea and stop helping the poor because some people abuse the system and it has become too costly (I am am of course going to ignore all the other spending the government does, some of which Nanners touched on, to humor you).

So now the poor get nothing, great, they will all go become entrepreneurs and make millions, or maybe they will get off their lazy ass and work at McDonald's.

Doesn't really solve much for government spending as crime will increase, therefore policing costs will go up. A sharp spike in crime will lead to less money flowing and less earners earning (less tourism, less people being mobile, checking out new things etc...).

People will get sick more often, and with no healthcare they are going to wind up clogging ERs throughout the country costing the government likely more than they would if these people could have used their healthcare they don't have and caught their ailments earlier in the process.

The housing market will sink as many neighborhoods become worse off and more dangerous, and with lower income people unable to get a mortgage everyone who invested in real estate will continue to suffer and the current market will stay depressed longer. Not to mention the fact their will be less people making rent, and with less renters even more wealthy people will lose out on their investments and the real estate market will further depress.

The problem with the right as they are currently viewing the world is that they focus on the minutia of happenstance which supports their point of view rather than examining the mountain of evidence that may contradict it.

Spending is too high, but blanket cuts need to be made across the board and taxes need to go up where they can be supported. If you aren't rich and you vote Republican you are basically a rube who bought into someone else's BS.

People can talk about Obamabots all day and their may be some truth to the bandwagon effect, but to do that and then go on spewing the nonsense that is coming out of the right wing Super Pacs? C'mon man, spare us all the annoyance.

Mitt Romney isn't dumb and the right has many good ideas, but the trouble is promoting the best plan would lie too close to where the current regime stands and that doesn't bode well for the goals of the Super Pacs.

So what happens? They spoon feed their base a mealy mixture of patriotism, manhood, and self-reliance, and like drones the base repeats the talking points while they sit in their home, curtains drawn, in the comfort of their warm, wet diaper as the reassuring words of Sean Hannity and Bill O'Reilly help them end their day.

The OP is one of these people, and he got played.

The truth is in the middle, everyone sees, but neither party wants people to see it, that is their plan, and people like the OP are pawns.

Sarcastic 10-14-2012 06:40 PM

Re: Should the government cut entitlements?
 
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Originally Posted by bmulls
Because for every dude cheating millions on his taxes there are millions of n!ggas getting $200 a month for food stamps that they trade for crack.


http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/18/us...rug-tests.html

Florida actually tried drug testing welfare recipients. They found that it actually cost the state more money to perform the tests. 2.6% of those receiving welfare actually failed the drug test.

There goes that myth.


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