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longhornfan1234 10-14-2012 11:41 AM

Should the government cut entitlements?
 
I want to read your opinions on this topic.

Math2 10-14-2012 12:05 PM

Re: Should the government cut entitlements?
 
Yes

longhornfan1234 10-14-2012 12:06 PM

Re: Should the government cut entitlements?
 
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Originally Posted by Math2
Yes



Which programs?

MavsSuperFan 10-14-2012 12:30 PM

Re: Should the government cut entitlements?
 
I would only support cuts to entitlements if conservatives have to give up stuff they care about too.

Raise taxes, cut defense, cut farm subsidies, cut oil subsidies and tax big oil companies and coal companies for extracting our natural resources as well or its not fair.

If it is done fairly, I think it would be in our long term interest to pay down our national debt and reduce the amount of money we pay as interest on the debt. All of that money being paid as interest is a complete waste.

I am personally a fan of Keynesian economics under normal conditions, but the current US debt is huge I have seen numbers as high as $16 billion, which is about 100% of GDP. This greatly concerns me and I wouldn't object to some action that takes this number down a bit before trying a stimulus.

I know a lot of people are going to argue that Keynesian principles is what dug us out of the great depression, but WWII had a big impact on stimulating the economy and helping achieve full employment. I fear continued spending that doesnt stimulate growth.

MavsSuperFan 10-14-2012 12:59 PM

Re: Should the government cut entitlements?
 
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Originally Posted by longhornfan1234
Which programs?



As a conservative you dont have to worry about this one, Every indication is Obama will be elected to a second term (national polls dont matter, Presidents are elected via electoral votes not popular vote. A break down of the states shows that Obama is overwhelmingly likely to win reelection.) and that he will agree to some version of the grand bargain in order to avoid sequestration.

Obama and Boehner already reached an agreement last time to raise the debt celling. The deal would have cut $4 for ever $1 of revenue increases. To quote Boehner "I got 98% of what I wanted."

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_16...what-i-wanted/

The grand bargain was also based largely on the Simpson-Bowles commission that Obama appointed and recommended cutting entitlements and lowering Corporate taxes while increasing personal taxes on the rich and middle class. The only reason Obama and Boehner didnt follow through on their agreement was because the Tea Party and other extreme conservatives wouldnt allow Boehner to accept a deal that gave them 98% of what they wanted, because they wanted the other 2% as well.

The Obama administration was prepared to touch the 3rd rail of American politics and abandon core principles of the democratic party Fortunately for liberals/progressives (not democrats) Boehner is so weak he couldnt even carry his caucus, and had to pretend that he didnt want the deal after gloating that he had gotten basically everything he wanted.

Anyways the news from Washington is that responsible party leaders among the repubs have come to their senses and realize what a victory the grand bargain is for them. I believe obama will offer up the grand bargain again, and this time the repubs are going to take it.

So if you want to see cuts in entitlements don't worry its happening.

Nanners 10-14-2012 01:00 PM

Re: Should the government cut entitlements?
 
yes, but start by taking entitlements from the rich

start by taking away the massive subsidies given to the fossil fuel industry. lets see if they can compete on the open market without government handouts.

take away the huge tax breaks and loopholes for rich people that allow guys like mitt romney to pay a lower % of his income to tax than I do (im no millionaire).

the govt spent $250 billion on subsidies and corporate tax breaks last year. end corporate welfare, then you can talk about ending welfare for poor people.

senelcoolidge 10-14-2012 01:28 PM

Re: Should the government cut entitlements?
 
You have people that have lived through entitlements for generations now. You have people that take entitlements and buy alcohol and drugs with it. You can't just hand out money to people that are irresponsible. Perhaps a probation period. But something needs to be done about that.

JMT 10-14-2012 02:51 PM

Re: Should the government cut entitlements?
 
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Originally Posted by Nanners
yes, but start by taking entitlements from the rich

start by taking away the massive subsidies given to the fossil fuel industry. lets see if they can compete on the open market without government handouts.

take away the huge tax breaks and loopholes for rich people that allow guys like mitt romney to pay a lower % of his income to tax than I do (im no millionaire).

the govt spent $250 billion on subsidies and corporate tax breaks last year. end corporate welfare, then you can talk about ending welfare for poor people.


This.

The right throws out the smokescreen of individual entitlements/47% when the dollars involved pale in comparison to the free rides given to corporations and the mega-rich.

Making sure that your citizens eat and can afford preventive health care is more important than making it easier for the rich to get richer.

BEAST Griffin 10-14-2012 03:01 PM

Re: Should the government cut entitlements?
 
Cut land titles. It's the biggest entitlement of all.

HardwoodLegend 10-14-2012 03:12 PM

Re: Should the government cut entitlements?
 
I'm not very well-versed about socioeconomics and politics, so can someone tell me what would happen if all entitlements to poor people were cut?

Would they get their act together, or would there be some sort of mass revolt and wave of crime that would demand increases in spending for policing and containing the matter?

Duderonomy 10-14-2012 03:35 PM

Re: Should the government cut entitlements?
 
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Originally Posted by HardwoodLegend
I'm not very well-versed about socioeconomics and politics, so can someone tell me what would happen if all entitlements to poor people were cut?

Would they get their act together, or would there be some sort of mass revolt and wave of crime that would demand increases in spending for policing and containing the matter?


Some would get jobs, some would steal and commit crimes, and some would become homeless. There is no definitive answer, everyone is different.

Mr. I'm So Rad 10-14-2012 04:17 PM

Re: Should the government cut entitlements?
 
Why is cutting the $200 a n!gga receives in food stamps every month more of a priority than cutting the millions another dude makes by cheating on his taxes?

bmulls 10-14-2012 04:36 PM

Re: Should the government cut entitlements?
 
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Originally Posted by Mr. I'm So Rad
Why is cutting the $200 a n!gga receives in food stamps every month more of a priority than cutting the millions another dude makes by cheating on his taxes?


Because for every dude cheating millions on his taxes there are millions of n!ggas getting $200 a month for food stamps that they trade for crack.

SpecialQue 10-14-2012 04:40 PM

Re: Should the government cut entitlements?
 
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Originally Posted by Mr. I'm So Rad
Why is cutting the $200 a n!gga receives in food stamps every month more of a priority than cutting the millions another dude makes by cheating on his taxes?


Poor people having money is more "dangerous" than rich people having more money.

Mr. I'm So Rad 10-14-2012 05:03 PM

Re: Should the government cut entitlements?
 
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Originally Posted by bmulls
Because for every dude cheating millions on his taxes there are millions of n!ggas getting $200 a month for food stamps that they trade for crack.


You think rich people don't contribute to the drug trade? Who do you think are the biggest customers?


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