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Umad101 11-13-2012 11:36 AM

Biggest MYTH on ish: wade is still a top 5 player in nba
 
Here's the top 5:

Lebron
Durant
Kobe
Dwight
Melo



Deal with it!!!!!!

Rysio 11-13-2012 11:40 AM

Re: Biggest MYTH on ish: wade is still a top 5 player in nba
 
cp3>>>>melo

Umad101 11-13-2012 11:43 AM

Re: Biggest MYTH on ish: wade is still a top 5 player in nba
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rysio
cp3>>>>melo

Debatable but cp3 hasn't done shit in his career, starting to think he's overrated. Melo got further than he did in the playoffs

Heavincent 11-13-2012 12:03 PM

Re: Biggest MYTH on ish: wade is still a top 5 player in nba
 
The only people who still believe that are Heat/Wade homers.

Money 23 11-13-2012 12:20 PM

Re: Biggest MYTH on ish: wade is still a top 5 player in nba
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Heavincent
The only people who still believe that are Heat/Wade homers.

And Heat / Wade / LeBron haters act like the guy is chopped liver, done, no longer at very least the 2nd best SG in the league.

He notoriously starts out seasons slow, and improves as they wear on.

Yes, he's regressed in some aspects and still hasn't added a reliable jumper to his game. The only seasons he had one was in 2006, 2007 (pre-injury), 2009, and 2010.

Since 2011 he plays for the foul, which is extremely annoying. His well rounded skill isn't on the level of Kobe and Jordan in terms of foot work, post game, JUMPER to off set age and the lack of the ability to go to the hole as much.

But he's still an elite player. It also doesn't help that he's taken, on purpose, a back seat to LeBron to let him do his thing as alpha, seeing as how LeBron is still amazingly very young at 27 years old.

People have claimed this dude has fallen off every year dating back to 2007 post injury. His numbers, even with two consecutive bad games, are still pretty good. And he's still effective even when his jumper isn't on.

As I've always said, his game doesn't mesh well with LeBron's if they aren't in transition or wreaking havoc on defense together. Their games are too similar. So one has to take precendance over the other in the half court. LeBron is the better player at this point, so Wade's numbers will suffer slightly.

Everyone needs to chill. He can still play. And the Heat don't need him averaging 25 - 30 ppg anymore, they don't even need LeBron for that now. Maybe on occassion when someone isn't playing well, or someone is out of the lineup. But as it stands this Miami team is stacked.

LeBron / Wade / Bosh are all giving you between 18 - 25 points a game, on virtually every night.

Then you have Ray Allen coming, who plays better with LeBron anyway given his skill set, constant motion, and ability to open up driving lanes for LeBron coming in at SG and covering the holes in Wade's game by hitting jumpers and giving you around 15 ppg on high shooting percentages.

Wade is fine. Anyone acting like he's garbage has an agenda. Has he regressed? Yes. Does he show his age on occassion? Yes. Is he rusty? Yes. He's still an elite player, though.

If anyone is suggesting otherwise they are either a Kobe stan, trying to de-legitamize the argument between Wade and Kobe, or a LeBron stan, using Wade's SLIGHT regression as a means to prop up LeBron MORE ... acting as if the massive mark on LeBron's resume of joining two other superstars in their prime is off set by Wade playing bad makes it not exist. So they label Wade as "garbage" as if he's some Mo Williams again or something.

When anyone with half a brain knows he can still ball, and is still elite. I'd still rather have THIS D-Wade than say Westbrook.

Rubio2Gasol 11-13-2012 12:22 PM

Re: Biggest MYTH on ish: wade is still a top 5 player in nba
 
Still a top 5 player because of superstar calls.

Umad101 11-13-2012 12:24 PM

Re: Biggest MYTH on ish: wade is still a top 5 player in nba
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Money 23
And Heat / Wade / LeBron haters act like the guy is chopped liver, done, no longer at very least the 2nd best SG in the league.

He notoriously starts out seasons slow, and improves as they wear on.

Yes, he's regressed in some aspects and still hasn't added a reliable jumper to his game. The only seasons he had one was in 2006, 2007 (pre-injury), 2009, and 2010.

Since 2011 he plays for the foul, which is extremely annoying. His well rounded skill isn't on the level of Kobe and Jordan in terms of foot work, post game, JUMPER to off set age and the lack of the ability to go to the hole as much.

But he's still an elite player. It also doesn't help that he's taken, on purpose, a back seat to LeBron to let him do his thing as alpha, seeing as how LeBron is still amazingly very young at 27 years old.

People have claimed this dude has fallen off every year dating back to 2007 post injury. His numbers, even with two consecutive bad games, are still pretty good. And he's still effective even when his jumper isn't on.

As I've always said, his game doesn't mesh well with LeBron's if they aren't in transition or wreaking havoc on defense together. Their games are too similar. So one has to take precendance over the other in the half court. LeBron is the better player at this point, so Wade's numbers will suffer slightly.

Everyone needs to chill. He can still play. And the Heat don't need him averaging 25 - 30 ppg anymore, they don't even need LeBron for that now. Maybe on occassion when someone isn't playing well, or someone is out of the lineup. But as it stands this Miami team is stacked.

LeBron / Wade / Bosh are all giving you between 18 - 25 points a game, on virtually every night.

Then you have Ray Allen coming, who plays better with LeBron anyway given his skill set, constant motion, and ability to open up driving lanes for LeBron coming in at SG and covering the holes in Wade's game by hitting jumpers and giving you around 15 ppg on high shooting percentages.

Wade is fine. Anyone acting like he's garbage has an agenda. Has he regressed? Yes. Does he show his age on occassion? Yes. Is he rusty? Yes. He's still an elite player, though.

If anyone is suggesting otherwise they are either a Kobe stan, trying to de-legitamize the argument between Wade and Kobe, or a LeBron stan, using Wade's SLIGHT regression as a means to prop up LeBron MORE ... acting as if the massive mark on LeBron's resume of joining two other superstars in their prime is off set by Wade playing bad makes it not exist. So they label Wade as "garbage" as if he's some Mo Williams again or something.

When anyone with half a brain knows he can still ball, and is still elite. I'd still rather have THIS D-Wade than say Westbrook.

No one said he isn't a good player it's just the dude has decline worse than kobe yet playing 7 season less

Heavincent 11-13-2012 12:25 PM

Re: Biggest MYTH on ish: wade is still a top 5 player in nba
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Money 23
And Heat / Wade / LeBron haters act like the guy is chopped liver, done, no longer at very least the 2nd best SG in the league.

He notoriously starts out seasons slow, and improves as they wear on.

Yes, he's regressed in some aspects and still hasn't added a reliable jumper to his game. The only seasons he had one was in 2006, 2007 (pre-injury), 2009, and 2010.

Since 2011 he plays for the foul, which is extremely annoying. His well rounded skill isn't on the level of Kobe and Jordan in terms of foot work, post game, JUMPER to off set age and the lack of the ability to go to the hole as much.

But he's still an elite player. It also doesn't help that he's taken, on purpose, a back seat to LeBron to let him do his thing as alpha, seeing as how LeBron is still amazingly very young at 27 years old.

People have claimed this dude has fallen off every year dating back to 2007 post injury. His numbers, even with two consecutive bad games, are still pretty good. And he's still effective even when his jumper isn't on.

As I've always said, his game doesn't mesh well with LeBron's if they aren't in transition or wreaking havoc on defense together. Their games are too similar. So one has to take precendance over the other in the half court. LeBron is the better player at this point, so Wade's numbers will suffer slightly.

Everyone needs to chill. He can still play. And the Heat don't need him averaging 25 - 30 ppg anymore, they don't even need LeBron for that now. Maybe on occassion when someone isn't playing well, or someone is out of the lineup. But as it stands this Miami team is stacked.

LeBron / Wade / Bosh are all giving you between 18 - 25 points a game, on virtually every night.

Then you have Ray Allen coming, who plays better with LeBron anyway given his skill set, constant motion, and ability to open up driving lanes for LeBron coming in at SG and covering the holes in Wade's game by hitting jumpers and giving you around 15 ppg on high shooting percentages.

Wade is fine. Anyone acting like he's garbage has an agenda. Has he regressed? Yes. Does he show his age on occassion? Yes. Is he rusty? Yes. He's still an elite player, though.

If anyone is suggesting otherwise they are either a Kobe stan, trying to de-legitamize the argument between Wade and Kobe, or a LeBron stan, using Wade's SLIGHT regression as a means to prop up LeBron MORE ... acting as if the massive mark on LeBron's resume of joining two other superstars in their prime is off set by Wade playing bad makes it not exist. So they label Wade as "garbage" as if he's some Mo Williams again or something.

When anyone with half a brain knows he can still ball, and is still elite. I'd still rather have THIS D-Wade than say Westbrook.


That's all nice, but he's still not a top 5 player. I never said anything about him not being very good/elite.

Money 23 11-13-2012 12:27 PM

Re: Biggest MYTH on ish: wade is still a top 5 player in nba
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Heavincent
That's all nice, but he's still not a top 5 player. I never said anything about him not being very good/elite.

I'd agree with that ...

He's not playing like a top five player, but the ABILITY is still there.

Wang Zhi Zhi 11-13-2012 12:28 PM

Re: Biggest MYTH on ish: wade is still a top 5 player in nba
 
:biggums: melo over wade :roll: :roll: he's declined but he still better than that glorified steven jackson:lol

Rekindled 11-13-2012 12:31 PM

Re: Biggest MYTH on ish: wade is still a top 5 player in nba
 
wade is good against average or bad teams. he gets shut down by physical defenders like tony Allen, avery bradly, etc. if you just stay down on his pump fake, he wont be that effective.

Rekindled 11-13-2012 12:31 PM

Re: Biggest MYTH on ish: wade is still a top 5 player in nba
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Wang Zhi Zhi
:biggums: melo over wade :roll: :roll: he's declined but he still better than that glorified steven jackson:lol


lmao, right now melo is the better scorer, passer and defender.

rodman91 11-13-2012 12:32 PM

Re: Biggest MYTH on ish: wade is still a top 5 player in nba
 
Wade plays with other 2 superstars. You can make same argument about Bosh. Sometimes Wade, sometimes Bosh even sometimes Lebron has low games.He is getting into secondary role last two season. Sure he isn't as quick as he used to be but still could be one of the top scorers if he was first option.

Also Wade has always moments (or entire games) that he seems careless. Then big games or taking games over in the clutch. He isn't one of the guys dominate entire the game.

I don't know if he is in top 5 though.

scm5 11-13-2012 12:32 PM

Re: Biggest MYTH on ish: wade is still a top 5 player in nba
 
I'm not even sure CP3 is the best PG anymore.

I realize a lot of you won't agree with me, but Rondo has surpassed CP3 as the better PG. He might not be as versatile offensively, but Rondo's jumper has improved and their court vision is similar, Rondo might have an edge.

I think Top 5 right now doesn't consist of CP3 or Wade... just from what we've seen this season.

Top 5:

Lebron
Kobe
Durant
Dwight
Duncan

That's right, Tim Duncan has been playing like possibly the best big man in the league currently. In limited minutes, he's put up 19/10/2 with 2.4bpg and 1.4spg.

Wang Zhi Zhi 11-13-2012 12:35 PM

Re: Biggest MYTH on ish: wade is still a top 5 player in nba
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rekindled
lmao, right now melo is the better scorer, passer and defender.


Melo a defender my son smh


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