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fpliii 12-01-2012 01:46 AM

In your opinion, how important are offense/defense/rebounding?
 
Suppose I give you 10 total points for offense/defense/rebounding (relative importance, allocation of resources, etc.), what would your breakdown be? i.e. I'm asking for something like

6 offense 3 defense 1 rebounding

or

3 offense 3 defense 4 rebounding.

Simple thread premise I know, and it might not sound that interesting, but I think this could help generate some good discussion.

chazzy 12-01-2012 01:51 AM

Re: In your opinion, how important are offense/defense/rebounding?
 
In a general sense or individual players?

Rubio2Gasol 12-01-2012 01:52 AM

Re: In your opinion, how important are offense/defense/rebounding?
 
Different for Bigs and Guards.

Basically I will take offense for guards and defense for bigs. I'm assuming offensive rebounding is part of offense.

Rebounding is great but only AFTER you play defense.

fpliii 12-01-2012 01:58 AM

Re: In your opinion, how important are offense/defense/rebounding?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by chazzy
In a general sense or individual players?


I was thinking on a team level, but for individual players (if you wanna break down by position, skillset, or prototype) that's cool too

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rubio2Gasol
Different for Bigs and Guards.

Basically I will take offense for guards and defense for bigs. I'm assuming offensive rebounding is part of offense.

Rebounding is great but only AFTER you play defense.


sounds good...what about for your team as a whole? if you're the coach how much do you emphasize/practice each, and if you're the GM how do you build your team for each?

Sarcastic 12-01-2012 02:08 AM

Re: In your opinion, how important are offense/defense/rebounding?
 
5 - offense
3- rebounding
2- defense


If you can score and rebound, the defense will take care of itself. Not giving a team second chances will take care of the defense for you.

PHILA 12-01-2012 02:08 AM

Re: In your opinion, how important are offense/defense/rebounding?
 
As Pat Riley once said, "No rebounds, no rings."




Basketball For Dummies - Richard Phelps, Tim Bourret, John Walters







Rubio2Gasol 12-01-2012 02:10 AM

Re: In your opinion, how important are offense/defense/rebounding?
 
It depends on the talent you have. Generally I would like to see the team built around a good rim protector and a guard who can both score and create. i'd emphasize ball movement for easy shots and free throw shooting.

On defense I'd emphasize rotations , hedging on pick and rolls, maybe full court press from any guard that's not elite offensively.Then once the shot is up people just need to get position or box out.

Defensive Rebounding is very important, but it's more about the team boxing out getting into good persons than any one person. If you have a great rim protector or post defender, then he should be getting rebounds.

For everyone else it's about getting ideal spacing and boxing out to give yourself the best chance.

DatAsh 12-01-2012 02:11 AM

Re: In your opinion, how important are offense/defense/rebounding?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by fpliii
Suppose I give you 10 total points for offense/defense/rebounding (relative importance, allocation of resources, etc.), what would your breakdown be? i.e. I'm asking for something like

6 offense 3 defense 1 rebounding

or

3 offense 3 defense 4 rebounding.

Simple thread premise I know, and it might not sound that interesting, but I think this could help generate some good discussion.



Hmm, kind of stabbing in the dark

For teams
3 offense 5 defense 2 rebounding

For Bigs
2 offense 5 defense 3 rebounding

For Smalls
7 offense 2 defense 1 rebounding

fpliii 12-01-2012 02:11 AM

Re: In your opinion, how important are offense/defense/rebounding?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by PHILA
As Pat Riley once said, "No rebounds, no rings."




Basketball For Dummies - Richard Phelps, Tim Bourret, John Walters


Somewhat interesting (I'd say ironic, but I think his rebounding 'woes' are somewhat overstated) that the quote in the cited book is attributed to Kareem.

DatAsh 12-01-2012 02:18 AM

Re: In your opinion, how important are offense/defense/rebounding?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by fpliii
Somewhat interesting (I'd say ironic, but I think his rebounding 'woes' are somewhat overstated) that the quote in the cited book is attributed to Kareem.


Kareem was an excellent rebounder for much of his career, similar to Shaq. His criticisms stem from the fact that he never really lived up to the standard set by Wilt/Russell, and his battles with Malone later on.

fpliii 12-01-2012 02:24 AM

Re: In your opinion, how important are offense/defense/rebounding?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rubio2Gasol
It depends on the talent you have. Generally I would like to see the team built around a good rim protector and a guard who can both score and create. i'd emphasize ball movement for easy shots and free throw shooting.

On defense I'd emphasize rotations , hedging on pick and rolls, maybe full court press from any guard that's not elite offensively.Then once the shot is up people just need to get position or box out.

Defensive Rebounding is very important, but it's more about the team boxing out getting into good persons than any one person. If you have a great rim protector or post defender, then he should be getting rebounds.

For everyone else it's about getting ideal spacing and boxing out to give yourself the best chance.


I've thought like this for a while, but recently I've entertained the idea of having separate defensive and rebounding specialists for bigs. My problem with this is it puts too much pressure on your point and wings to score, unless one of your bigs can also put the ball in the hole. OKC, Brooklyn, and Golden State (when they get Bogut back) will all be interesting, since they go about team building with bigs in different ways.

Quote:

Originally Posted by DatAsh
Kareem was an excellent rebounder for much of his career, similar to Shaq. His criticisms stem from the fact that he never really lived up to the standard set by Wilt/Russell, and his battles with Malone later on.


Right...I've heard the same about comparisons and his battles (with Malone and Walton as well). Was it expected purely because of his size/pedigree? He didn't really position himself well for rebounds (rarely do I see him inside the paint on offense, though I haven't really looked closely at his positioning for defensive boards) from what I've seen, but I'm not sure what the exact reasoning was (I need to watch more tape).

TheeBeast 12-01-2012 02:26 AM

Re: In your opinion, how important are offense/defense/rebounding?
 
Any one of those three could win a game. But for championships:

3 Offense 4 Defense 3 Rebounding

CAstill 12-01-2012 02:37 AM

Re: In your opinion, how important are offense/defense/rebounding?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TheeBeast
Any one of those three could win a game. But for championships:

3 Offense 4 Defense 3 Rebounding



I disagree.
5 Offense 3 Defense 2 rebounding

Offense is the only thing you can't get beat in if your looking to win
Defense is what creates rebounds
Rebounds don't exist if defense isn't played because people are scoring

You can get out-rebounded and have the opposition play better D
but as long as you beat them in scoring you win.
Obviously you need a balance though.

fpliii 12-01-2012 03:27 AM

Re: In your opinion, how important are offense/defense/rebounding?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sarcastic
5 - offense
3- rebounding
2- defense


If you can score and rebound, the defense will take care of itself. Not giving a team second chances will take care of the defense for you.


Quote:

Originally Posted by DatAsh
Hmm, kind of stabbing in the dark

For teams
3 offense 5 defense 2 rebounding

For Bigs
2 offense 5 defense 3 rebounding

For Smalls
7 offense 2 defense 1 rebounding


Quote:

Originally Posted by TheeBeast
Any one of those three could win a game. But for championships:

3 Offense 4 Defense 3 Rebounding


Quote:

Originally Posted by CAstill
I disagree.
5 Offense 3 Defense 2 rebounding

Offense is the only thing you can't get beat in if your looking to win
Defense is what creates rebounds
Rebounds don't exist if defense isn't played because people are scoring

You can get out-rebounded and have the opposition play better D
but as long as you beat them in scoring you win.
Obviously you need a balance though.


:applause:

nice to see some different opinions

if every team was built/played the same way, the league wouldn't be very fun to watch at all

Graviton 12-01-2012 03:34 AM

Re: In your opinion, how important are offense/defense/rebounding?
 
Rebounding and defense is slightly overrated. As Rose-less Bulls showed, in the playoffs you need offensive power along with defense to win. Rebounding and defense alone won't get you anywhere even against an inferior team.

Defense wins championships, but without stars to create your offense and break through other good defenses, you won't go far.


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