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millwad 12-25-2012 12:18 AM

Who would you build around - Blake Griffin or James Harden?
 
I was thinking about this earlier when I thought about the best guys based on the year they were born.

Among the players who are born in '89 the two who stand out are these two players.

Based on previous years I'd take BG but based on ceiling and being the number one option and a star I'd take Harden, what about you guys?




bluechox2 12-25-2012 12:43 AM

Re: Who would you build around - Blake Griffin or James Harden?
 
harden

blake still needs someone to feed him the ball

B-hoop 12-25-2012 12:45 AM

Re: Who would you build around - Blake Griffin or James Harden?
 
Blake, its easier to build around a big man who doesnt need the ball in his hands all the time.

heyhey 12-25-2012 12:46 AM

Re: Who would you build around - Blake Griffin or James Harden?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by B-hoop
Blake, its easier to build around a big man who doesnt need the ball in his hands all the time.



Thats not blake... Blake's not really good off the ball

TylerOO 12-25-2012 12:51 AM

Re: Who would you build around - Blake Griffin or James Harden?
 
Harden. He can create on his own, amazing playmaker. Blake is a solid second option though

IGotACoolStory 12-25-2012 12:57 AM

Re: Who would you build around - Blake Griffin or James Harden?
 
They are both #2 options. One is just better at it than the other.

Batz 12-25-2012 01:01 AM

Re: Who would you build around - Blake Griffin or James Harden?
 
Is neither an option? No?

I can write an essay on this, but at the end of the day I'd take Harden, despite the "Big-men win championships" law. The man has an uncanny ability to take-over and close out games. He obviously needs to polish himself as a #1 scoring option, but he's closer to it than Blake. His defense is also more promising. I also like beards. Make a note of that.

DMV2 12-25-2012 01:02 AM

Re: Who would you build around - Blake Griffin or James Harden?
 
It's too early to tell if Griffin is a true franchise player or not. Same with Harden, but great scoring wings seem to be the better franchise player these days.

Since the 2003 class, it's been mostly wing's.

LeBron - 3 MVP's, 1 title, 1 F-MVP
Wade - 2 titles, 1 F-MVP
Kobe - 2 titles, MVP, 2 F-MVP
Durant - no major award but he's been top 3 in MVP race the past 3 seasons
Rose - MVP

Besides Duncan in 2003-05, I don't see any true franchise bigs in the league other than Dwight and Dirk.

There are a lot of good PF but only two are considered elite, Dwight & Dirk.

Fiasco 12-25-2012 01:35 AM

Re: Who would you build around - Blake Griffin or James Harden?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bluechox2
harden

blake still needs someone to feed him the ball


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millwad 12-25-2012 01:35 AM

Re: Who would you build around - Blake Griffin or James Harden?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Batz
Is neither an option? No?

I can write an essay on this, but at the end of the day I'd take Harden, despite the "Big-men win championships" law. The man has an uncanny ability to take-over and close out games. He obviously needs to polish himself as a #1 scoring option, but he's closer to it than Blake. His defense is also more promising. I also like beards. Make a note of that.


But people also need to realize that there are more PF's who are just as or close to being as good as Griffin compared to SG's who are better or as good as Harden.

James Harden is definitely a top 3 SG in this league but having a look at the PF situation around the league there are some ballers around the league. Guys like Z-Bo, Love, Aldridge, Nowitzki, Bosh, Lee, Duncan, Jefferson, Stoudemire. It's close up there among the PF's and there.

Whoah10115 12-25-2012 01:40 AM

Re: Who would you build around - Blake Griffin or James Harden?
 
They're both first options and I'm rather unsure why people like to think otherwise...and people say I speak unequivocally.

Both are great and neither one is selfish. Whichever you pick, you're good.

red1 12-25-2012 01:43 AM

Re: Who would you build around - Blake Griffin or James Harden?
 
I'll take the bearded dragon. Griffin is aight too

SCdac 12-25-2012 01:45 AM

Re: Who would you build around - Blake Griffin or James Harden?
 
Being top-3 at a position doesn't make a player a lock in my eyes. There was a time when Reggie Miller and Mitch Richmond were top SG's but I'm wouldn't take them over a franchise big. George Gervin was a league-leading scorer but he never got a championship. Granted it's not one-man teams. I'd take Griffin personally, especially as he becomes more seasoned and his jump shot comes around. Harden is very versatile and can put the ball in the basket, but seems like an ideal #2 IMO (for a championship team).

Batz 12-25-2012 01:46 AM

Re: Who would you build around - Blake Griffin or James Harden?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Whoah10115
They're both first options and I'm rather unsure why people like to think otherwise...and people say I speak unequivocally.

Put them in a scenario lets say... Playoffs, big game, must-win, are either of them really stepping it up that much? Sorry? Are you thinking this over? It's questionable is it not? Interesting...


So yeah, they're not necessarily 'first' options.

tpols 12-25-2012 01:50 AM

Re: Who would you build around - Blake Griffin or James Harden?
 
Hardens gonna be clutch as fvck in a few years.. We've already seen glimpses of his takeover ability. I'm taking him easily.. Not to say Blake doesn't have a case. He does but I would take harden without thinking too long.


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