Message Board Basketball Forum - InsideHoops

Message Board Basketball Forum - InsideHoops (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/index.php)
-   Off the Court Lounge (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=7)
-   -   Are these legit basketball arguments? (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=287229)

DaHeezy 01-13-2013 03:49 PM

Are these legit basketball arguments?
 
I often see this in the NBA forum

- Player A is better than player B, and I'm a fan of player B

- I've been watching NBA since________

- You weren't even born when _______ was in his prime

Do these posters feel this adds credibilty to their opinions?
Any other posts that make you :facepalm or :no: ?

B-Low 01-13-2013 04:18 PM

Re: Are these legit basketball arguments?
 
"I've been watching since _____" and "you weren't even born yet" are valid IMO.

You can't tell everything about a player/team based on stats and youtube highlights. Some people you have to have actually seen to really appreciate what they could do. It always trips me out to see people who were born in '99 talking about Bill Russell and Oscar like they saw them play. "LOL dude Big O could do it all he'd embarrass Chris Paul!! I saw a 3 minute mix of him on youtube!"

DaHeezy 01-13-2013 04:25 PM

Re: Are these legit basketball arguments?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by B-Low
"I've been watching since _____" and "you weren't even born yet" are valid IMO.

You can't tell everything about a player/team based on stats and youtube highlights. Some people you have to have actually seen to really appreciate what they could do. It always trips me out to see people who were born in '99 talking about Bill Russell and Oscar like they saw them play. "LOL dude Big O could do it all he'd embarrass Chris Paul!! I saw a 3 minute mix of him on youtube!"


Good point, on that same token these are the same doods who can't submit the arguments used on them.
For example the Jordan fans who use it against the Lebron/Kobe fans but discredit the Wilt/Russell era fans

Rake2204 01-13-2013 04:30 PM

Re: Are these legit basketball arguments?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by B-Low
"I've been watching since _____" and "you weren't even born yet" are valid IMO.

I think those two can be kind of valid but I think most often they are not. For instance, I was alive and very basketball conscious in 1997 (I was 13 at the time). Similarly, everyone else I know my age was also alive and in their teens at that time. However, 99% of them (and probably 85% of my basketball fan friends that age) do not have a deep understanding of what basketball players were doing at that time. I know folks a lot younger than me who'd know much more about '97 basketball than the teens who claimed to be big fans back then.

Moreover, I could see some people I know say, "Juwan Howard was awesome. You wouldn't understand because you weren't even alive then. I've been watching basketball since 1995." In truth, that person didn't actually watch a single bit of Howard back then and is not really any more qualified to make a definitive statement than anyone else.

Or, I'd look at it like this. How many people who watch basketball right now have a completely distorted view of a large portion of the game itself? I know quite a few folks, often college students, who become superfans of their university team despite never playing ball in their life and suddenly appoint themselves basketball savants. Their opinions aren't worth much now and very well may not be worth much 15 years from now.

B-Low 01-13-2013 04:31 PM

Re: Are these legit basketball arguments?
 
Yeah. honestly in general i think the art of legit debate is dead and gone. This new generation of people 16 and under just have this idea that they know everything about everything because they have the internet at their fingertips. My nephew is 11...him and his friends will be talking about WWE saying "man i miss how things were back in 98" because they watch some Youtube videos of the Attitude Era and now have all these fond "memories" of it.

Or they'll be saying how Glen Rice sucked because they can't find highlights of him online, and I try to explain that he wasn't a high flyer, he wasnt a shot blocker, but he was a deadly shooter...nope not good enough. No youtube videos = not good.

I mean look at the OTC even. Everyone is a fitness expert. Everyone is an animal expert, a political expert, a economic expert, electronics expert, everyone knows spanish, french...because all you have to do is google something and repeat what you find. You don't have to actually KNOW anything until it comes up in conversation, you research it for a second and all of a sudden you have the right to talk on it like you've been studying it for years

L.Kizzle 01-13-2013 04:39 PM

Re: Are these legit basketball arguments?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by B-Low
"I've been watching since _____" and "you weren't even born yet" are valid IMO.

You can't tell everything about a player/team based on stats and youtube highlights. Some people you have to have actually seen to really appreciate what they could do. It always trips me out to see people who were born in '99 talking about Bill Russell and Oscar like they saw them play. "LOL dude Big O could do it all he'd embarrass Chris Paul!! I saw a 3 minute mix of him on youtube!"

Whoa kid, Robertson would embarrass CP3 and I was born in 97 not 99 brah.

StroShow4 01-13-2013 06:14 PM

Re: Are these legit basketball arguments?
 
One who is capable of making a valid argument need not use these tactics.

DaHeezy 01-13-2013 06:17 PM

Re: Are these legit basketball arguments?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by StroShow4
One who is capable of making a valid argument need not use these tactics.

:applause:
Smartest post ever

Dave3 01-13-2013 06:54 PM

Re: Are these legit basketball arguments?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DaHeezy
- Player A is better than player B, and I'm a fan of player B

This is only ever used when someone is a fan of player A and really wants people to believe what he's saying about the players. Overused and useless.

Balla_Status 01-13-2013 07:34 PM

Re: Are these legit basketball arguments?
 
I remember arguing with this bitch at Denny's drunk 3am friday night...about how Kobe sucks and Dirk is a god.

"How many playoff wins does Kobe have against Dirk?"

"Kobe has had superior talent to Dirk..."

It was pretty fun. I owned her.

Rake2204 01-13-2013 07:52 PM

Re: Are these legit basketball arguments?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Balla_Status
I remember arguing with this bitch at Denny's drunk 3am friday night...about how Kobe sucks and Dirk is a god.

"How many playoff wins does Kobe have against Dirk?"

"Kobe has had superior talent to Dirk..."

It was pretty fun. I owned her.

Listen, Dirk is better than Kobe, and I'm a fan of Kobe. I've been watching basketball since 1990 and you weren't even born yet in Dirk's prime. So... I think that just about settles it. Oh, and Kobe played in a weak era.

LEFT4DEAD 01-13-2013 08:00 PM

Re: Are these legit basketball arguments?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DaHeezy
I often see this in the NBA forum

- Player A is better than player B, and I'm a fan of player B

- I've been watching NBA since________

- You weren't even born when _______ was in his prime

Do these posters feel this adds credibilty to their opinions?
Any other posts that make you :facepalm or :no: ?

When I see those sentences, I automatically assume the guy Im discussing with is <16 year old. :confusedshrug:

Timmy D for MVP 01-14-2013 03:04 AM

Re: Are these legit basketball arguments?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by B-Low
"I've been watching since _____" and "you weren't even born yet" are valid IMO.

You can't tell everything about a player/team based on stats and youtube highlights. Some people you have to have actually seen to really appreciate what they could do. It always trips me out to see people who were born in '99 talking about Bill Russell and Oscar like they saw them play. "LOL dude Big O could do it all he'd embarrass Chris Paul!! I saw a 3 minute mix of him on youtube!"


They are valid to a point but you can't dismiss an argument simply based on that fact.

I feel quite confident in my knowledge of the games of guys I never saw based on a wealth of information I have consumed in various forms of media.

It's the details that people are talking about when they say that, but some of us are good at picking out the details without having to be alive. This in no way trumps someone who was there, because they could provide more of them, but it doesn't dismiss the argument either.

ace23 01-14-2013 03:29 AM

Re: Are these legit basketball arguments?
 
People realize that full games from the 70s-90s are available to the youth right (ESPN Classic, Youtube, etc.)?

johndeeregreen 01-14-2013 10:35 AM

Re: Are these legit basketball arguments?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DaHeezy
I often see this in the NBA forum

- Player A is better than player B, and I'm a fan of player B

- I've been watching NBA since________

- You weren't even born when _______ was in his prime

Do these posters feel this adds credibilty to their opinions?
Any other posts that make you :facepalm or :no: ?

It comes down to who is saying it and whether or not they are using it to back a valid point. They either can or cannot be valid depending on what the poster is trying to convey.


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 09:16 PM.

Powered by vBulletin Version 3.5.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd. Terms of Use/Service | Privacy Policy